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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: scaffold on 01 August 2011, 13:34
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Hello all,
Well, the plan had been to modify my 1600 ryder and then race it round Coombe against a mates 1600 ryder as a type of Top Gear-esque challenge. Unfortunately he's got carried away and has removed his 1600 and swapped it for a pre built engine running a mk3 2.0l bottom end and mk2 1.8 head.
Despite him flagrantly pushing the boundaries of the challenge I have offered to stick the engine into his golf for him.
However, will the mk3 bottom end bolt straight onto the ryder box or are we going to require a different clutch? I'm hoping not as the engine and box are currently swinging in the breeze at the moment and I'm hoping to get him back on the road today/tomorrow.
Any advice [apart for the obvious and tell him to get on with it himself considering his defiance of the rules of engagment!] would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Morgs
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It'll bolt up together OK and the clutch *might* hold the torque, but he really needs a f*cking good slap and telling to get back in the box and keep it 1600.
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I'll wait until I'm up to my elbows in gearbox oil and then take great pleasure in covering his chops in the smelliest gunk known to man.
When you say *might* handle the torque, are we saying it'd be better to stick an uprated clutch in there whilst I'm at it? Yeah, I'm a sucker for punishment and I ought to ignore his calls after being such a good friend but I don't want a call further down the line with him sat there with no clutch.
Any advice on a better clutch for this fitment?
Morgs
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I'll wait until I'm up to my elbows in gearbox oil and then take great pleasure in covering his chops in the smelliest gunk known to man.
When you say *might* handle the torque, are we saying it'd be better to stick an uprated clutch in there whilst I'm at it? Yeah, I'm a sucker for punishment and I ought to ignore his calls after being such a good friend but I don't want a call further down the line with him sat there with no clutch.
Any advice on a better clutch for this fitment?
Morgs
210mm set up from a GTI will be fine.
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Ah ok, so a sachs or valeo should get him back on the road again?
That's the 210mm plate but is it the 24 or 28 tooth wheel?
Morgs
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Wheel? Eh?
You're into pulling apart the rivets the crownwheel in the diff with the mighty 2.0 torque. :grin:
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You may laugh...and in fact I did, but fortunately the cheating b*****d had failed to tell me that he already had a clutch fitted to the engine. So, after an evening with the front loader, ratchet straps and less skin on my knuckles when I started with, we now have the engine sat on the mounts ready to be wired back up.
Unfortunately in my rush to remove the old engine and box before the fading light came on too strong, Someone forgot to undo the speedo cable :embarassed: So with a ping it shot through the bulkhead grommit and now I'm not looking forward to what I may find behind the clocks when I come to fit everything back together again. Is it likely to have done a fair amount of damage or is it more likely that it's just pulled through and I'll need a new fastener?
Morgs
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Speedo cable is usually just a push fit pinch clip type arrangement, so you might have been lucky and it just popped off without doing too much damage. It's more likely that the speedo cable is mullered than the bit on the clocks it attaches to.
In other matters, maybe you could use it as a choking cord, perhaps a bit of oxygen starvation to your mate will get him to stop breaking rules quite so quickly. :grin:
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Can't use it as choking apparatus as I've already flooged him with it :grin: I think he's learnt his lesson!
So the engine and box are in, but I think I may have signed myself up for some engine bay cleaning tonight! You ever have that feeling that you shouldn't be friends with some people!
Shall get pictures up when done, but most of you get the jist. It's a J plate 1600 driver with a 2.0l bottom end, 1.8 head, injector holes blanked off properly, vac advance dizzy with transparent cap, oil breather filter and the Webber carb with jets to suit the new configuration.
Let's see what this disregard for the confines of the competition translates to on the road.
morgs
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Let's see what this disregard for the confines of the competition translates to on the road.
Sounds like it'll be quite lively and fun actually. :grin:
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Can't use it as choking apparatus as I've already flooged him with it :grin: I think he's learnt his lesson!
So the engine and box are in, but I think I may have signed myself up for some engine bay cleaning tonight! You ever have that feeling that you shouldn't be friends with some people!
Shall get pictures up when done, but most of you get the jist. It's a J plate 1600 driver with a 2.0l bottom end, 1.8 head, injector holes blanked off properly, vac advance dizzy with transparent cap, oil breather filter and the Webber carb with jets to suit the new configuration.
Let's see what this disregard for the confines of the competition translates to on the road.
morgs
He's done an engine transplant you should do a better one....ABF
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Yeah x2 on the abf. Show him there's no point changing the engine for anything less than a 2.0 16v, minimum. Then bust him up. Trust me I went from 66bhp to 160 abf, and its the bare minimum for a 'fast' mk2 if you ask me.. 20vt next!
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He's done an engine transplant you should do a better one....ABF
Rude not to - it's the same displacement, after all. :grin:
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Right, well having lost most of the feeling in my hands after a night spent degreasing his engine bay and various items the engine looks like it'll be back in and plumbed up tonight.
Then it is ON :cool:
ABF sounds like fun, and in standard guise we'd be looking at circa 160 bhp? Sounds like it'll be enough to make him stand up and notice. I can see this getting an expensive game though and as his 'friendly' engine installer of choice I can see myself having to fit a 20vt next :laugh:
What are we looking at for an ABF conversion...mega bucks? On a home brew budget?
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Look for a scrap mk3 if your mk2 is late, and use digi plugged straight in.. If yours is early, maybe find an early kjet scrap mk2 16v for the management and just buy an abf lump for a couple o hundred and run it on the kjet management. Cheap + very easy
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Mines on a J so I don't think that you could get much later than that!
So having had a look through Danny's thread [I think it's Danny's] in the maintenance section, which route does having a late mk2 allow me to go?
Hoping to get his mk2 fired up tonight and see what this new engine is like out on the road.
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Standard is 150 but "with a decent exhaust and air filter" 160 is possible
Dont take that as truth, i've just seen it written alot.
Theres a few ways to do convert....http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=176689.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=176689.0)
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As its late (ce2 same as mk3) it'll pretty much all plug in the fuseboard. The engine loom only goes bk to a few plugs anyway. There's a little bit of adaptation to be done on the loom, rubjonny is the man for that, or he'll talk you through it if your confident enough. Search on here, and cgti, and everything you could ever want to know is at your fingertips. Just for comparison, my 9a with kr cams made 158, and the abf on the same kjet settings made 159.5 bhp on the same rollers (dyno lottery), though that seems about right from what I can gauge, maybe see a slight increase if I have the w.u.r adjusted and afr's measured and adjusted again. Search and ye shall find
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£300 should secure you a rotten Golf3 16V and then you will have the complete loom to run the motor as standard instead of all this talk of b*ggering it up with K-Jet.
If you're handy with a MIG get a collection of VAG downpipes, slice and dice and fab yourself up a 4-branch manifold.
Even with an optimistic dyno, 160bhp from an ABF on OEM management with a tubular manifold on the back would seem low.
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Nowt wrong with kjet! Its the only thing to have not played up on my car so far! (Just majorly jinxed myself)
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wouldn't be a compotion if you fitted an abf to yours. as unless you cant drive for sh!t the abf is going to spank the 2ltr 8v at everything.
and it'll be more fun