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General => General discussion => Topic started by: murraymint on 24 July 2011, 11:40
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towards the end of the year i wanted to get a mk4 1.8t but after looking at dom069's mk3 (i know it an 8v) and how clean it is for the money, im now thinking should i get a mk4 or mk3??? help please?
cheers
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towards the end of the year i wanted to get a mk4 1.8t but after looking at dom069's mk3 (i know it an 8v) and how clean it is for the money, im now thinking should i get a mk4 or mk3??? help please?
cheers
Should buy it then :wink:
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mk2 :grin:
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To give the usual answers:
mk2 abf bestthingeverforserious.
A3 140 TDI S-line golfindragyouguys
2.0 8v hasmoretorquewhydon'tyoubelieveme
Mk5 GTI cangetnewfor5khellaserious
To give an actual answer:
Dom's mk3 is mint so it would be a good choice :afro: If you still want a newer car make sure the mk4 you go for is in good condition and the common problems have all been sorted.
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Mk3 is more fun but less tuneable.
If it was me it'd be a mk3 all day long!
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Cheers jimp. I would love to have doms car but itl most certainly be sold by the time I've got the money. And that's my problem with buying a mk4, I've got to spend at least 2k coz i want a half decent one with mileage under 100k
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Mk3 is more fun but less tuneable.
If it was me it'd be a mk3 all day long!
yh that why i said if i got a mk3 id try n get a 16v coz of the extra power
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Why not find a mk3 1.8t, I wouldn't mind one of them.
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Mines got 140k and runs and drives sweet. As long as its been serviced well etc then mileage shouldnt be a problem.
I certainly never let it bother me.
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Why not find a mk3 1.8t, I wouldn't mind one of them.
could run doms 8v then do an engine transplant :cool:
Mines got 140k and runs and drives sweet. As long as its been serviced well etc then mileage shouldnt be a problem.
I certainly never let it bother me.
yh i know theres loads of high mileage well looked after cars but i think coz most of my cars have been under 80k its a force of habbit (youknow what i mean lol)
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1.8T ftw, does not need to be in a Golf, lots of other choices :lipsrsealed:
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1.8T ftw, does not need to be in a Golf, lots of other choices :lipsrsealed:
yh good point, i could be original and put a 1.8t ina mk3 :tongue: :sad:
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1.8T ftw, does not need to be in a Golf, lots of other choices :lipsrsealed:
yh good point, i could be original and put a 1.8t ina mk3 :tongue: :sad:
Or Audi A3, Seat Leon, Octavia, Bora etc etc
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i do like the mk1 leons, lil bit less common then the mk4.
do like the bora too but doesnt seem to be as many 1.8t bora's around?
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bin thinking a lot now bout a mk3 1.8t. be a lot of work but it's combining both parts of the two cars i like
was looking at this for inspiration
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac26/LazyLunatic/191150_1935572671328_1302662165_32352000_3946033_o.jpg)
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i think im gunna look for gettin a mk3, couple reasons, firstly on the way home from work i drove thru town for about 2 miles and saw at least 10 mk4's but only one other mk3, and secondly i can get a decent mk3 and have some money left for goodies for the price of a half decent mk4.
good desicion???
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get a mk4, no engine swap needed for boost, which is what you want really
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I could imaging a chassis sorted mk3 would handle better than a sorted mk4?. Plus they look better, only reason I wouldnt get a mk3 is because the 2.0l 16v id imaging to be too slow, put a 1.8t in there running 200bhp would do the trick for me!
Sounds to me a mk3 1.8t would be ideal for ya!
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Definitely a mk4, they're better than the mk3 in every single way.
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I could imaging a chassis sorted mk3 would handle better than a sorted mk4?. Plus they look better, only reason I wouldnt get a mk3 is because the 2.0l 16v id imaging to be too slow, put a 1.8t in there running 200bhp would do the trick for me!
Sounds to me a mk3 1.8t would be ideal for ya!
yup!! just dont know about doing the engine change, got a m8 hu could do it for some beer tokens but from start to finish would have to be prittty quick bcoz its my daily.
Definitely a mk4, they're better than the mk3 in every single way.
lol your mk4 is a really good example but i im thinking that a mk3 gti would suit my budget a bit better (even tho i wanna do a engine change lol)
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Get a 16v mk3 to start with they are quicker than the 1.8t in standard form anyway then save for the conversion win win i think :smiley: and please no debates on this fact its been proven and debated before :laugh:
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Get a 16v mk3 to start with they are quicker than the 1.8t in standard form anyway then save for the conversion win win i think :smiley: and please no debates on this fact its been proven and debated before :laugh:
think this is the plan now for definate!!!
thanks for the input everyone!!!
minds bin changed lol
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@ dragongreengolfgti
think your mk3 with the white wheels looks awesome btw!!!!!
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Cheers mate i had a look at yours at volksfest in bristol on the campsite definately the best colour to have IMO :laugh: Glad you made your mind up :smiley:
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yh totaly agree bin looking at a couple dragon green gti's and think thats the colour im going for again
yh me to, let the saving begin hopefully get one mid august
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Get a 16v mk3 to start with they are quicker than the 1.8t in standard form
In one respect your right however say they are both 150bhp to start with when you get bored it is much easier and cheaper to get 200+ bhp out of the 1.8t than the valver.
Plus the 1.8t will have more torque and be better on fuel.
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Get a 16v mk3 to start with they are quicker than the 1.8t in standard form
In one respect your right however say they are both 150bhp to start with when you get bored it is much easier and cheaper to get 200+ bhp out of the 1.8t than the valver.
Plus the 1.8t will have more torque and be better on fuel.
Indeed this is true but i do think murraymint is set on a mk3 conversion, which i think the 16v'er is a good candidate for the conversion simply as he could spend more money on buying a nice solid mk3 and be happy with the extra power than what he currently has then in a few months of feeling valver power he will have enough to do the conversion and start all over again loving once more :grin: IMO i dont like mk4's well very few anyway so im kinda biased :laugh:
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Get a 16v mk3 to start with they are quicker than the 1.8t in standard form
In one respect your right however say they are both 150bhp to start with when you get bored it is much easier and cheaper to get 200+ bhp out of the 1.8t than the valver.
Plus the 1.8t will have more torque and be better on fuel.
Indeed this is true but i do think murraymint is set on a mk3 conversion, which i think the 16v'er is a good candidate for the conversion simply as he could spend more money on buying a nice solid mk3 and be happy with the extra power than what he currently has then in a few months of feeling valver power he will have enough to do the conversion and start all over again loving once more :grin: IMO i dont like mk4's well very few anyway so im kinda biased :laugh:
No worries :smiley:, but I still fail to see the point in buying a mk3, spending a £1k + on fitting a 1.8t when mk4's or other choices are so cheap at the moment with insurance and fuel costs.
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Mk3 without the played out 20VT conversion FTW.
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The 1.8T into Mk3 has been done, so you could find plenty of help and guidance online.
How about something a little more unusual.
A Mk3 with a PD150 engine transplant.
Mk3 looks, power, tunability and economy.
If you were going to do that, then it would be simpler to start with a Mk3 TDI, then at least you don't have to swap fuel tanks and pipes.
If you were going to stick with the 1.8T swap, start with a Mk3 16v, cos the brakes and suspension can at least cope with the initial 150bhp, thus saving time during the swap and do those later.
As you need to keep the car on the road it would make sense to do it:
1) Buy Mk3 16v - drive till you've sourced a 1.8t lump (get everything you need so you're all ready to go)
2) Swap over engine, leave brakes and suspension, get car back on road
3) Drive for a little longer till you're ready for the brake swap
4) Upgrade brakes
5) Upgrade suspension
6) Remap and tune 1.8T engine
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The 1.8T into Mk3 has been done, so you could find plenty of help and guidance online.
If you were going to stick with the 1.8T swap, start with a Mk3 16v, cos the brakes and suspension can at least cope with the initial 150bhp, thus saving time during the swap and do those later.
Barkes and suspension are the same on 8v and 16v, later 8v's even have the same pedal box so the hydraulic slave will fit straight on.
Better to buy a mk3 GTI on condition at the end of the day or buy a mk4 1.8t and save all the hassle
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the main reason for buying the mk4 was because of the engine, but i much prefer the look of the mk3 so it's kinda combining the two, i know that its been done before but that just means that if i need help i know that there are people to ask with experience. i know that just buyin a mk4 would be the easier/ sensable choice but i like a chalange lol and also my missus if of to uni for three years so it's kinda like something to keep me busy lol.
The 1.8T into Mk3 has been done, so you could find plenty of help and guidance online.
How about something a little more unusual.
A Mk3 with a PD150 engine transplant.
Mk3 looks, power, tunability and economy.
If you were going to do that, then it would be simpler to start with a Mk3 TDI, then at least you don't have to swap fuel tanks and pipes.
If you were going to stick with the 1.8T swap, start with a Mk3 16v, cos the brakes and suspension can at least cope with the initial 150bhp, thus saving time during the swap and do those later.
As you need to keep the car on the road it would make sense to do it:
1) Buy Mk3 16v - drive till you've sourced a 1.8t lump (get everything you need so you're all ready to go)
2) Swap over engine, leave brakes and suspension, get car back on road
3) Drive for a little longer till you're ready for the brake swap
4) Upgrade brakes
5) Upgrade suspension
6) Remap and tune 1.8T engine
this sounds like a good plan, i could'nt afford to do it all in one go so this will be the sorta thing i'd have to do
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Why has no one suggested a VR? Terrible on fuel and other things but you know. It's a vr
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Why has no one suggested a VR? Terrible on fuel and other things but you know. It's a vr
Why implant a VR into a 16V when you can buy one?
Unless it's a 24V VR...
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think he ment just buy a vr in the first place,
never really looked into gettin a vr, but dont want a car thats bad on fuel
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i'd stick with the 16v route untill you have the funds to do the engine swap :smiley: There mostly trouble free mine has been so far anyway and your used to the mk3 also. After owning one for a year or two you might change your mind and get something else anyway :laugh:
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yh im gunna stick to the 16v plan, found a place to do the engine swap too, seen in town today the local councal advertiving garages for like £7 a week!!
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
Im thinking about a mk3 1.8T too :grin: I'll have my own garage in 4 weeks time though!! :smiley: :smiley: :evil:
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
A corrado VR6 would do nicely :smiley:
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
A corrado VR6 would do nicely :smiley:
:drool: :afro:
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
Im thinking about a mk3 1.8T too :grin: I'll have my own garage in 4 weeks time though!! :smiley: :smiley: :evil:
gunna have to be a mk3 1.8t section soon lol,
test drove my gf's mk4 1.8t tonight, was awesome but had to remember, the engine's awesome not the car lol, was quick tho (compared to my 1.6 lol)
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
Im thinking about a mk3 1.8T too :grin: I'll have my own garage in 4 weeks time though!! :smiley: :smiley: :evil:
gunna have to be a mk3 1.8t section soon lol,
test drove my gf's mk4 1.8t tonight, was awesome but had to remember, the engine's awesome not the car lol, was quick tho (compared to my 1.6 lol)
Mine will have a 12month ticket on it tomorrow, so you'll have a solid run around car as a base for 12 months :wink:
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maybe, gotta sort outselling myn first
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Youve got me looking at mk3 1.8t now! Wouldn't mind a corrado 1.8t though :evil:
Im thinking about a mk3 1.8T too :grin: I'll have my own garage in 4 weeks time though!! :smiley: :smiley: :evil:
just had a look at google maps and its a 11 hour round trip to get to you
gunna have to be a mk3 1.8t section soon lol,
test drove my gf's mk4 1.8t tonight, was awesome but had to remember, the engine's awesome not the car lol, was quick tho (compared to my 1.6 lol)
Mine will have a 12month ticket on it tomorrow, so you'll have a solid run around car as a base for 12 months :wink:
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mk3 all day long man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mk3 all day long man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yh im defntly gettin another mk3 now!! Loving your now Sig
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mk3 all day long man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yh im defntly gettin another mk3 now!! Loving your now Sig
Good on ya! :cool:
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mk3 all day long man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yh im defntly gettin another mk3 now!! Loving your now Sig
yeah man!!!!
yours is really nice too. where is that?
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it was at a local car show, i was there with the local vw club, i parked up at the back n then they moved it to the front lol, made for a good pic tho.
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Anyone thought of a mk3 16v keeping the engine and adding a turbo? :undecided: ABFs are a good engine to add forced induction to. Takes work, but not so common.
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I am thinking supercharged on my abf but just deciding what to do with the golf as looking to sell in feb.
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Anyone thought of a mk3 16v keeping the engine and adding a turbo? :undecided: ABFs are a good engine to add forced induction to. Takes work, but not so common.
how much would that cost n what are the power gains?
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supercharged probably around 250-270bhp 240ft torque
turbo depending on setup and which one etc 300bhp +
In either case a complete engine rebuild and uprated internals put in i reckon a good 270bhp charged version could be done for 1.5 k possibly :smiley:
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supercharged probably around 250-270bhp 240ft torque
turbo depending on setup and which one etc 300bhp +
In either case a complete engine rebuild and uprated internals put in i reckon a good 270bhp charged version could be done for 1.5 k possibly :smiley:
hmmmmm, sounds intresting, seems as people say the a 1.8t conversion cost about £2k, you've me thinkin lol
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supercharged probably around 250-270bhp 240ft torque
turbo depending on setup and which one etc 300bhp +
In either case a complete engine rebuild and uprated internals put in i reckon a good 270bhp charged version could be done for 1.5 k possibly :smiley:
Don't necessarily need uprated internals. Standard ABf on stacked gaskets can cope with 300+hp and 280ftlbs torque. Mine on last rolling road check put out 260ftlbs of torque and 240hp. Has more now but haven't had it confirmed yet.
Depending on the supercharger. Cheaper M62 eaton is the common one. 230hp/ 220 ftlb torque. or there abouts. Just cant stand the whine.
When working out costs. Think of a figure and add half again. :wink: Amazing how all the little things add up. Also depends on the quality of components used including whether you have all correct saftey devices and gauges etc.
People talk about power figures. Has anyone driven a properly mapped 220 hp car with torque to match? You may find its faster than you think. It all about the torque.
How much do you want to spend?
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Well seems as i was planning on spending about 2k on a 1.8t conversion id say that much. What cud 2k get me?? (2k just on engine)
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2k being the the max obv lol
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i'm no expert but im guessing 2k spent on a abf you would have more power than a 1.8t conversion
1st idea :
so say you buy a 16v gti to start with after selling your 1.6 probs £700-900 for yours look for a tidy 16v 1k-£1500 drive it for a while stock, get used to it and find out if its got any underlieing problems! Then pile 2k onto it 250hp easy with most work done yourself using info on the net which there is some as ive seriously looked into both and bought my car on the proviso it will be charged. :smiley:
2nd idea :
Keep the 1.6 ready for a 1.8t conversion to buy all components needed engine etc etc it will cost you £1600 for anything half decent i know i almost bought a ibiza 1.8t conversion off a mate few weeks ago he wanted 1600 for a fsh 63k miles everything possible needed for the conversion so loom, box the works all in 1600! then of course you need to fit it + either work on it new gaskets etc buy mates beer tokens for helping do it and then you still only have either 150/180/ 0r 210/225 bhp 1.8t as stock so that leaves you with £500 to tune if your lucky more like thats the 2k done just to get the engine in there!
Anyway i know the route i'd be taking and of course remember insurance are going to rape you which ever you do and fuel so its likely you will want a 1.6 to commute in :wink: lol
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It could be done for 2k i guess if you do the work yourself. Alot of parts could be got SH. Engine dont't even need to be removed. Mine was more than that, but i got some expensive gauges and freshened up the engine with new ring and bearings although, i could have got away without doing it. Its even possible to do it with the standard ECU if you can get the right map sensor and have it mapped by someone who knows how.
Not seen many mk3 ABF turbos. One other was on ED38.
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thanks to this thread i gone from wantin a mk4 to a mk3 1.8t conversion to now thinkin of tuning an abf
i'm no expert but im guessing 2k spent on a abf you would have more power than a 1.8t conversion
1st idea :
so say you buy a 16v gti to start with after selling your 1.6 probs £700-900 for yours look for a tidy 16v 1k-£1500 drive it for a while stock, get used to it and find out if its got any underlieing problems! Then pile 2k onto it 250hp easy with most work done yourself using info on the net which there is some as ive seriously looked into both and bought my car on the proviso it will be charged. :smiley:
have to got any of those sites or pages for me to have a ganders at?
cheers
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£2k on a ABF will not get you more power than a 1.8T
Simples
Well ok yes may get away with a home brewed turbo conversion but how long would it last.
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It could be done for 2k i guess if you do the work yourself. Alot of parts could be got SH. Engine dont't even need to be removed. Mine was more than that, but i got some expensive gauges and freshened up the engine with new ring and bearings although, i could have got away without doing it. Its even possible to do it with the standard ECU if you can get the right map sensor and have it mapped by someone who knows how.
Not seen many mk3 ABF turbos. One other was on ED38.
started to look thru your thread, lot of work gone into that!!
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£2k on a ABF will not get you more power than a 1.8T
Simples
Well ok yes may get away with a home brewed turbo conversion but how long would it last.
Are you sure??
Last fine. over 10k since build and no problems with engine.
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£2k on a ABF will not get you more power than a 1.8T
Simples
Well ok yes may get away with a home brewed turbo conversion but how long would it last.
Are you sure??
Last fine. over 10k since build and no problems with engine.
With respect you know what you are doing etc and yours is a high standard of build, still not going to be cheap or easy when you factor in all the extras etc.
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Some other builds.
9a 16vt (http://www.clubgti.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=162730)
what inspired me
Toyotecs Wolf R (http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114986&highlight=16vt)
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£2k on a ABF will not get you more power than a 1.8T
Simples
Well ok yes may get away with a home brewed turbo conversion but how long would it last.
Are you sure??
Last fine. over 10k since build and no problems with engine.
With respect you know what you are doing etc and yours is a high standard of build, still not going to be cheap or easy when you factor in all the extras etc.
as cool and less common an abf turbo is, i think that realisticly i'd be better off with a 1.8t conversion as i feal that i could do that but looking thru your thread tshirt2k it looks good but i think that its beyond my capability
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£2k on a ABF will not get you more power than a 1.8T
Simples
Well ok yes may get away with a home brewed turbo conversion but how long would it last.
Are you sure??
Last fine. over 10k since build and no problems with engine.
With respect you know what you are doing etc and yours is a high standard of build, not going to be cheap or easy when you factor in all the extras etc.
Nothing good is ever easy. There are way of doing things cheaper.
Toyotec on CGTI spent alot on a lightend, balanced bottom end then the mains spun due the the wrong bearings being supplied. All replaced with an used AGG crank and reused head bolts and reliably puts out 315PS.
Not that its the ideal way, but its possible to do some shortcuts to get what you want. :wink: ie you dont need to lighten flywheel, replace rings, bearings, oil pump, use ARP head studs etc
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£2k on a ABF will not get you more power than a 1.8T
Simples
Well ok yes may get away with a home brewed turbo conversion but how long would it last.
Are you sure??
Last fine. over 10k since build and no problems with engine.
With respect you know what you are doing etc and yours is a high standard of build, still not going to be cheap or easy when you factor in all the extras etc.
as cool and less common an abf turbo is, i think that realisticly i'd be better off with a 1.8t conversion as i feal that i could do that but looking thru your thread tshirt2k it looks good but i think that its beyond my capability
Very true. Its all down to what you feel you can cope with, and I like a challenge. :nerd: A 1.8T is more of a complete package. But intercooler/boost run in my thread will be relavent still :wink:
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it was at a local car show, i was there with the local vw club, i parked up at the back n then they moved it to the front lol, made for a good pic tho.
Yeah it is a good pic
I would also turbo the 16v. I want to supercharge my 8v :tongue: But I would spend £3000/£5000 it's not just the engine, think diff :wink:
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Supercharged 8v wins it for me.
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Supercharged 8v wins it for me.
if it'd cost 3/5k like tweet said i couldnd justify spendin that much ona engine! would be cool as fu*k tho!
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I wouldn't spend all that on the engine. I would get hispec 4pot brakes, lsd diff, etc :wink:
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I wouldn't spend all that on the engine. I would get hispec 4pot brakes, lsd diff, etc :wink:
nice!!, think im gunna stick to my plan of a 16v then a 1.8t converion, dont wanna go do wild then run out of funds or not finish it
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Or...
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=120757214409&cmd=VIDESC&title=Description&index=0&nav=SEARCH&nid=33116771427
Look at the milage on that!
Be different too. :wink:
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aint those 1.4's have like 150bhp standard? crazy
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aint those 1.4's have like 150bhp standard? crazy
The 1.4TSI in the Fabia vRS is 180bhp, not sure on the scirrocco I think it is 140bhp.
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aint those 1.4's have like 150bhp standard? crazy
The 1.4TSI in the Fabia vRS is 180bhp, not sure on the scirrocco I think it is 140bhp.
still pritty good from a 1.4, bet that fabia is rapid!
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aint those 1.4's have like 150bhp standard? crazy
The 1.4TSI in the Fabia vRS is 180bhp, not sure on the scirrocco I think it is 140bhp.
still pritty good from a 1.4, bet that fabia is rapid!
Yes, was lucky to have a go in one a few weeks back.
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changing the subject, am i right in thinkin that the agu engine would be easiest to use for the conversion as it is the only 1.8t with a cable throttle so i wouldnt have to change the throttle pedal???
cheers
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Or...
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=120757214409&cmd=VIDESC&title=Description&index=0&nav=SEARCH&nid=33116771427
Look at the milage on that!
Be different too. :wink:
would be perfect for a mk1
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changing the subject, am i right in thinkin that the agu engine would be easiest to use for the conversion as it is the only 1.8t with a cable throttle so i wouldnt have to change the throttle pedal???
cheers
Yep, I believe so. :smiley:
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changing the subject, am i right in thinkin that the agu engine would be easiest to use for the conversion as it is the only 1.8t with a cable throttle so i wouldnt have to change the throttle pedal???
cheers
Yep, I believe so. :smiley:
cheers wayne, does seem that your a bit of a human VAG bible lol
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mk3, with a mk4 20vT swap! :grin:
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mk3, with a mk4 20vT swap! :grin:
Getting common but a good choice :smiley:
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mk1 with 1.8T!! Looks with monster performance!! Nothing good about mk3's nowadays imho, dated, slow not very tuneable......
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He's getting a 1.8t if you didnt notice lol Not slow and very tuneable.
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womens way out :laugh:
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He's getting a 1.8t if you didnt notice lol Not slow and very tuneable.
Still got to overcome the mass of a mk3 however :grin:
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im selling mine there all sh!t granted! break down, costs more to keep it going than its actually worth so ive decided im the car ive wanted for a long time which is an evo 8 instead :smiley: however after christmas im going to buy a mk2 to keep a project going :wink:
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im selling mine there all sh!t granted! break down, costs more to keep it going than its actually worth so ive decided im the car ive wanted for a long time which is an evo 8 instead :smiley: however after christmas im going to buy a mk2 to keep a project going :wink:
youve changed your tune. What happened to supercharging it??
He's getting a 1.8t if you didnt notice lol Not slow and very tuneable.
Still got to overcome the mass of a mk3 however :grin
but less of a lump then the mk4 tho.
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im selling mine there all sh!t granted! break down, costs more to keep it going than its actually worth so ive decided im the car ive wanted for a long time which is an evo 8 instead :smiley: however after christmas im going to buy a mk2 to keep a project going :wink:
youve changed your tune. What happened to supercharging it??
He's getting a 1.8t if you didnt notice lol Not slow and very tuneable.
Still got to overcome the mass of a mk3 however :grin
but less of a lump then the mk4 tho.
I know i just keep getting knocked back with it and its doing my head in plans might change again though :smiley:
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im selling mine there all sh!t granted! break down, costs more to keep it going than its actually worth so ive decided im the car ive wanted for a long time which is an evo 8 instead :smiley: however after christmas im going to buy a mk2 to keep a project going :wink:
youve changed your tune. What happened to supercharging it??
He's getting a 1.8t if you didnt notice lol Not slow and very tuneable.
Still got to overcome the mass of a mk3 however :grin
but less of a lump then the mk4 tho.
Mk4 is about the same weight as a mk3 from memory.
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im selling mine there all sh!t granted! break down, costs more to keep it going than its actually worth so ive decided im the car ive wanted for a long time which is an evo 8 instead :smiley: however after christmas im going to buy a mk2 to keep a project going :wink:
youve changed your tune. What happened to supercharging it??
He's getting a 1.8t if you didnt notice lol Not slow and very tuneable.
Still got to overcome the mass of a mk3 however :grin
but less of a lump then the mk4 tho.
Mk4 is about the same weight as a mk3 from memory.
According to Parkers, the mk3 8v weighs 1035kg, and the mk4 1.8T weights 1203kg. (Both 3dr). The vr6 was a lot heavier with 1155kg quoted for a 3dr.
How accurate the figures are I don't know.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with MK3s, I'm on my third now. MK4s unless Anni or R32 look pants, my opinion of course.
My ultimate car would be my Anni I have now, with a TT/S3 engine, but alas that will never happen for me sadly.
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hmmmmm... was just looking at mk4's again, :undecided:
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hmmmmm... was just looking at mk4's again, :undecided:
My advice, drop a 1.8T into your Mk3 :wink:
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yup that is the plan, its just hard to find a 16v i like, want a dragon green 3dr 16v for around 900/1100 mark with no/little rust, only found 1 that ticks all the box'es but no reply
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how about one of these
http://autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201132409379756/sort/priceasc/usedcars/engine-size-cars/1-7l_to_1-9l/price-to/2000/model/leon/make/seat/page/1/radius/60/postcode/ss26nq?logcode=p
liked these for ages, and 180hp
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right back from holiday, and the missus is off to uni on the 25th of sept so the saving starts!!
bin changing my mind a lot resently started with wanting a mk4 1.8t then the mk3 16v, then mk4 again then a leon, then thort about gettin a diesel leon or mk4 and now looking at mk3's again lol
need to buy the new car before i can sell my current one cos its my daily so it could take a wile lol,
whach this space
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mk3 :cool:
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Mate, Ive had both and have moved on now. I can honestly say that I would love another mk3 but doubt I would bother with another mk4 unless it was an R32. Theyre too soft and wallowy.
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think i will end up goin for a mk3, but want the right one (16v, dragon green, 3 door, milage under 100K idealy, not rusting into the ground)
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Think you're asking for a bit much. :shocked:
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i know lol, but i've seen some that fit my picky requirements but had no money, was gutted.
wouldnt mind having a black one or a dark red if the price is right
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right back from holiday, and the missus is off to uni on the 25th of sept so the saving starts!!
bin changing my mind a lot resently started with wanting a mk4 1.8t then the mk3 16v, then mk4 again then a leon, then thort about gettin a diesel leon or mk4 and now looking at mk3's again lol
need to buy the new car before i can sell my current one cos its my daily so it could take a wile lol,
whach this space
Haha, that's exactly what I was like when I was looking to get rid of the MK3! I went full loop from a Mk4 1.8T - Seat LCR - Audi S3 - Mk4 Anni - Mk3 VR6 - MK3 16v - Mk4 1.8T which I settled on :grin:
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Best to broaden your horizons, remember they are minimum 14 years old and at an average of 10k a year thats nearly 140k although there are the odd ones that are lower. Don't be fooled into thinking that low mileage is neccessarily better. My engine was checked at 123k and had hardly any wear. Low mileage could have gone through a few clutches as it could be a short journey car, which aren't good for engines anyway.
Also expect rust, You have to be very very lucky to find a rust free one.
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think i will end up goin for a mk3, but want the right one (16v, dragon green, 3 door, milage under 100K idealy, not rusting into the ground)
Wrong colour, and a tad pricey but it ticks all of the other boxes:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=205935.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=205935.0)
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It's probably been said already but tbh I cant be arsed reading the whole thread
mk3 1.8t
could get a decent mk3 and all parts needed for less than 5k if you do it yourself :evil:
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think i will end up goin for a mk3, but want the right one (16v, dragon green, 3 door, milage under 100K idealy, not rusting into the ground)
Wrong colour, and a tad pricey but it ticks all of the other boxes:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=205935.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=205935.0)
did have a quick look at this one, but need to get the money together first.
Best to broaden your horizons, remember they are minimum 14 years old and at an average of 10k a year thats nearly 140k although there are the odd ones that are lower. Don't be fooled into thinking that low mileage is neccessarily better. My engine was checked at 123k and had hardly any wear. Low mileage could have gone through a few clutches as it could be a short journey car, which aren't good for engines anyway.
Also expect rust, You have to be very very lucky to find a rust free one.
i wouldnt turn down a car with over 100k on the clock would just prefer low mileage. i'd say the highest mile id buy would probs be about 140k, not expecting rust free just dont want to be having to replace all the sills and arches, dont mind a few spots here and there,
just gunna hold out untill i find the right one
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It's probably been said already but tbh I cant be arsed reading the whole thread
mk3 1.8t
could get a decent mk3 and all parts needed for less than 5k if you do it yourself :evil:
this reminds me, less rust is more important then less miles because i might do a 1.8t conversion as the missus is at uni for 3 years so need a good project to keep me busy
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i know it doesn't fit my discrition but i like this
http://PISTONHEADS.COM/sales/3130243.htm
apart from the price i like it
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http://PISTONHEADS.COM/sales/3192104.htm
and this ticks most boxes
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if your gonna do the 1.8t conversion, although starting with a 16v is obviously a good idea, it may be cheaper to get a rust free 8v and get the 16v parts seperate. starting with an 8v gti all you need from the 16v is gearbox, flywheel, engine brackets, and clutch cylinders plus pipework. no more than a couple hundred
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I paid £250 for a mk 3 16v GTI with 120k. Was absolutely mint (and I'm hard to please)
I bought the car to break for parts I needed for my conversion but it was so mint I pit the 8v gearbox etc on the 16v car and sold it to my mate
It did have a damaged head gasket but he had that fixed, it was perfect for a conversion. It had zero rust. It was a 3 door in dragon green.
The one at £1200 you posted up looks decent deffo worth a view
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I paid £250 for a mk 3 16v GTI with 120k. Was absolutely mint (and I'm hard to please)
I bought the car to break for parts I needed for my conversion but it was so mint I pit the 8v gearbox etc on the 16v car and sold it to my mate
It did have a damaged head gasket but he had that fixed, it was perfect for a conversion. It had zero rust. It was a 3 door in dragon green.
The one at £1200 you posted up looks decent deffo worth a view
How I miss that car!! Wish I just had the money to have got the head gasket fixed. Spent a lot of time keeping the car in good condition.
Going back on topic, have now owned both a MK3 and now currently a 1.8t MK4. Is not much to choose between both to be honest. I like both a lot. You will more than likely get a better deal on a MK3 though.
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I paid £250 for a mk 3 16v GTI with 120k. Was absolutely mint (and I'm hard to please)
I bought the car to break for parts I needed for my conversion but it was so mint I pit the 8v gearbox etc on the 16v car and sold it to my mate
It did have a damaged head gasket but he had that fixed, it was perfect for a conversion. It had zero rust. It was a 3 door in dragon green.
The one at £1200 you posted up looks decent deffo worth a view
£250?? sound like a right bargin!!!
loving your car, one of the cars that have inspired me to do a 1.8t conversion!
yh does look good, need to get some money together first tho, which sucks, get paid weekly and it just seems to dissapear with nothing to show for it. aprt from more miles on the car.
How I miss that car!! Wish I just had the money to have got the head gasket fixed. Spent a lot of time keeping the car in good condition.
Going back on topic, have now owned both a MK3 and now currently a 1.8t MK4. Is not much to choose between both to be honest. I like both a lot. You will more than likely get a better deal on a MK3 though.
this is another reason for wanting a mk3, if i got a mk4 i'd want a fairly good one, but dont have a massive budget to start with
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this is another reason for wanting a mk3, if i got a mk4 i'd want a fairly good one, but dont have a massive budget to start with
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I got my MK4 for £1400, it was 98,000 miles, 6 months tax and 5 months MOT
Had some scratches, will be easy to get rid of though. The interior was spotless and the car itself drives fine. Done just over 3.000 miles in the few months I have had it and touch wood, no major problems at all.
Here is the the ebay link from which I brought it from. Are some good bargains out there.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250842300185#ht_795wt_1401
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cheers for the compliment mate, im glad my car is helping you :cool: :smiley:
Stu, your green car was a really good example.. its still on the road going strong :cool: