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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: MaXXeH on 12 July 2011, 20:12
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Well i dropped the car off at AMD at 1pm. Started driving home and got a call from AMD They said they can’t map my car because there is already a map on the car!! (at this time i was going mad at them for being dum) I turned around and went back to AMD, They said i need to go back to the person that mapped the car to get it removed and put back to standard!!
I called a few mapping friends, they just said tell them to bench the ecu and flash it back to standard. Went back into AMD and had a heated convo and they eventually said they will call the people that mapped my car and ask them to send over my old map file (don’t get this bit as you should be able to use any GTI map).
They got the file and agreeded to map my car!
I got out of there at 430pm!!! I hope this map is good or i will go bonkers!
I have never known a company that can’t remove an old map file from a car!
I will add the graph here when i get the car back, if they don’t blow it up. :shocked:
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You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car :nerd: It ensures that nothing goes astray..........
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You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car :nerd: It ensures that nothing goes astray..........
As long as the hardware number and sw number matches then every map is identical, it's only the EEPROM which is unique to each car and only a handful of tuners actually patch the EEPROM during s mapping session.
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They said the last tuner had disabled the checksum if that makes sense? so it could not be mapped?? so they needed that file?
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You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car :nerd: It ensures that nothing goes astray..........
As long as the hardware number and sw number matches then every map is identical, it's only the EEPROM which is unique to each car and only a handful of tuners actually patch the EEPROM during s mapping session.
Thats just what Rhyso said :nerd:
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so you have been driving a remapped car and didnt even know :huh:
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Yea it was mapped when i got the car. Don’t know what the car is like standard, I thought it was slow mapped. think it was 239bhp
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They said the last tuner had disabled the checksum if that makes sense? so it could not be mapped?? so they needed that file?
No checksumm and the engine won't start the fans will be running constant, you can run the ecu in development mod with out the checksumm but with dash lights and fault codes constant. There is a login area which can have a seed key change, but they would need to develope there own obd2 tools to log in with differing seed keys via the obd port, revo and apr change the seed keys as they produce there own tools.
There revo sps dealer tool should have but the ecu Back to factory stock with ease.
How is the car going?
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Well i dropped the car off at AMD at 1pm. Started driving home and got a call from AMD They said they can’t map my car because there is already a map on the car!! (at this time i was going mad at them for being dum) I turned around and went back to AMD, They said i need to go back to the person that mapped the car to get it removed and put back to standard!!
I called a few mapping friends, they just said tell them to bench the ecu and flash it back to standard. Went back into AMD and had a heated convo and they eventually said they will call the people that mapped my car and ask them to send over my old map file (don’t get this bit as you should be able to use any GTI map).
They got the file and agreeded to map my car!
I got out of there at 430pm!!! I hope this map is good or i will go bonkers!
I have never known a company that can’t remove an old map file from a car!
I will add the graph here when i get the car back, if they don’t blow it up. :shocked:
Told you not to go there :grin: :grin:
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They said to give them a call tomorrow, so i can find out what is going on.
They have got my original file from angel tuning, so the plan was to bench my ecu and install my stock file so they can then map the car via the odb port.
They said they can’t flash the ecu via the odb due to the checksum being disabled :sad:
I don’t really get what is going on :angry:
shut up tech1889 :grin:
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lol also they said, They know Nick very well from R-tech and he would have the same problem :rolleyes:
i was like ok :lipsrsealed:
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shut up tech1889 :grin:
tis ok, we all ignore him elsewhere too :grin:
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They said to give them a call tomorrow, so i can find out what is going on.
They have got my original file from angel tuning, so the plan was to bench my ecu and install my stock file so they can then map the car via the odb port.
They said they can’t flash the ecu via the odb due to the checksum being disabled :sad:
I don’t really get what is going on :angry:
shut up tech1889 :grin:
Mini driver!!! Lol
Right if angel tuning remapped the car via obd port and your stock map was read via obd then the flash won't be any good for bench flashing as there will be a huge data area missing in the obd read, you need to get hold of a full BDM read which has all the map and data areas loaded. I gave around 75 bdm version if u get stuck and if I have the correct version I can Email too you, if you cannot find anyone with a full bdm map, then I can make one up from a generic obd stock read and the current tune read via obd.
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Thanks for your help nick :cool: very much appreciated. I will see what they say tomorrow. If they have any problems i will ask you to send over that bdm file.
I am sure they can work this stuff out :shocked: how did they get in this business otherwise :sick:
For the amount they are charging me i expect them to be far better than this.
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shut up tech1889 :grin:
tis ok, we all ignore him elsewhere too :grin:
Much love :kiss: :kiss:
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Thanks for your help nick :cool: very much appreciated. I will see what they say tomorrow. If they have any problems i will ask you to send over that bdm file.
I am sure they can work this stuff out :shocked: how did they get in this business otherwise :sick:
For the amount they are charging me i expect them to be far better than this.
Can you not just Nick??? Seeing as he knows what hes saying and has the tools to change it...plus a lot of people are happy with the maps produced?? :afro:
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i would use nick, but he is so far away, i would be able to get home. is a right pain :angry:
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i would use nick, but he is so far away, i would be able to get home. is a right pain :angry:
I would need the car for a few days, the map would have to be done from scratch, it's a huge task on it's own just to get the fuel constant correct, which involves logging long term fuel trims over driving cycles. It's not a mapping combination I have done before so it will be a learning curve and a slow development.
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Hi MaXXeH,
To be fair to AMD it sounds like they are doing it the right way!
For the 2.0 TFSI’s with the ME9 ECU there are a lot of different original files
SOME WITH THE SAME HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE NUMBERS BUT MOST DEFINATELY DIFFERENT FILES WITH HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOFTWARE CODE AREA!
All they are doing is covering their arses rather than gambling with a customers’ car for which you can’t really knock them.
It is always best to have the original file for a vehicle than to use a tuners best guess.
With the older Golf V’s there seems to be only 1 or 2 variations for each hardware/softrware version where as later ME9’s (S3/TTS) there are way more:
0261S02721-1037501227 is for 09, 10 + 11 plate S3/TTS and so far we have found 5 different versions of original file with the same Hardware and Software numbers!
They have massive differences in the software code area.
Nick (RT) is right though, the Maps locations and values are generally the same so provided you have a read out of the file currently in the car and compare the maps with another original with matching hardware/software numbers you could ‘make’ an original but this would always be a last resort for us.
I suspect what’s happened with AMD is Angel tuning have locked out the OBD read function meaning they can only get the hardware and software numbers but no actual OBD read and for the reasons stated above it would be a risky process to flash another file into it without being able to see what is currently in there. Perhaps they are trying to avoid having to remove the ECU????
Also, size of file depends on what tool you use for OBD read and write............ most tools only read a partial file hence the need for ‘full BDM’ read out as suggested by Nick, we use CMDFlash for these which reads/writes the full 16Mbit (2048k) file via OBD ;-)
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?
Keep us all posted.........
Nick – Carbon Chiptuning
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Hi MaXXeH,
To be fair to AMD it sounds like they are doing it the right way!
For the 2.0 TFSI’s with the ME9 ECU there are a lot of different original files
SOME WITH THE SAME HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE NUMBERS BUT MOST DEFINATELY DIFFERENT FILES WITH HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOFTWARE CODE AREA!
All they are doing is covering their arses rather than gambling with a customers’ car for which you can’t really knock them.
It is always best to have the original file for a vehicle than to use a tuners best guess.
With the older Golf V’s there seems to be only 1 or 2 variations for each hardware/softrware version where as later ME9’s (S3/TTS) there are way more:
0261S02721-1037501227 is for 09, 10 + 11 plate S3/TTS and so far we have found 5 different versions of original file with the same Hardware and Software numbers!
They have massive differences in the software code area.
Nick (RT) is right though, the Maps locations and values are generally the same so provided you have a read out of the file currently in the car and compare the maps with another original with matching hardware/software numbers you could ‘make’ an original but this would always be a last resort for us.
I suspect what’s happened with AMD is Angel tuning have locked out the OBD read function meaning they can only get the hardware and software numbers but no actual OBD read and for the reasons stated above it would be a risky process to flash another file into it without being able to see what is currently in there. Perhaps they are trying to avoid having to remove the ECU????
Also, size of file depends on what tool you use for OBD read and write............ most tools only read a partial file hence the need for ‘full BDM’ read out as suggested by Nick, we use CMDFlash for these which reads/writes the full 16Mbit (2048k) file via OBD ;-)
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?
Keep us all posted.........
Nick – Carbon Chiptuning
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery? Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:
I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download. And with Med9 as long as the Bosch numbers, hardware numbers and software numbers all match there will be NO issues. Infact its even worth flashing the car with the latest sw version if the tuner has the file to hand which will have the highest S00** number for is the tuner IDs 1K0907115F S0009 then the better files would be S0019 which is the latest dealer update.
Your file will be one of the following, this is a my database to the lastest dealer sw versions if a car come in with a later software version we would upgradet the get to the very latest sw version then map the car using the correct version.
There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car.
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/Rtechremaps/tfsi.jpg)
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Hi MaXXeH,
To be fair to AMD it sounds like they are doing it the right way!
For the 2.0 TFSI’s with the ME9 ECU there are a lot of different original files
SOME WITH THE SAME HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE NUMBERS BUT MOST DEFINATELY DIFFERENT FILES WITH HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOFTWARE CODE AREA!
All they are doing is covering their arses rather than gambling with a customers’ car for which you can’t really knock them.
It is always best to have the original file for a vehicle than to use a tuners best guess.
With the older Golf V’s there seems to be only 1 or 2 variations for each hardware/softrware version where as later ME9’s (S3/TTS) there are way more:
0261S02721-1037501227 is for 09, 10 + 11 plate S3/TTS and so far we have found 5 different versions of original file with the same Hardware and Software numbers!
They have massive differences in the software code area.
Nick (RT) is right though, the Maps locations and values are generally the same so provided you have a read out of the file currently in the car and compare the maps with another original with matching hardware/software numbers you could ‘make’ an original but this would always be a last resort for us.
I suspect what’s happened with AMD is Angel tuning have locked out the OBD read function meaning they can only get the hardware and software numbers but no actual OBD read and for the reasons stated above it would be a risky process to flash another file into it without being able to see what is currently in there. Perhaps they are trying to avoid having to remove the ECU????
Also, size of file depends on what tool you use for OBD read and write............ most tools only read a partial file hence the need for ‘full BDM’ read out as suggested by Nick, we use CMDFlash for these which reads/writes the full 16Mbit (2048k) file via OBD ;-)
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?
Keep us all posted.........
Nick – Carbon Chiptuning
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery? Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:
I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download. And with Med9 as long as the Bosch numbers, hardware numbers and software numbers all match there will be NO issues. Infact its even worth flashing the car with the latest sw version if the tuner has the file to hand which will have the highest S00** number for is the tuner IDs 1K0907115F S0009 then the better files would be S0019 which is the latest dealer update.
Your file will be one of the following, this is a my database to the lastest dealer sw versions if a car come in with a later software version we would upgradet the get to the very latest sw version then map the car using the correct version.
There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car.
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/Rtechremaps/tfsi.jpg)
“239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery? Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:â€
OK, Not so good for that hardware LOL!
No mention of S3 injectors or Turbo upgrade anywhere on this thread?
“I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for downloadâ€
LOL! You’ve not been on CMD’s database before then! To call it sparse would be kind :lipsrsealed:
Anyway, at the end of the day we all have our own way of doing things and all we can do is put forward the way we work and any information supporting that methodology:
I know for a fact that not all cars will get the latest S/W revisions installed @ VW - it comes down to a number of things, the hardware and options on that particular vehicle that can only be checked via chassis number, also some software revisions are to address specific running issues on a vehicle and if a vehicle is not suffering with these problems VW will not apply the update – it is not as simple as the highest number is the latest/best update.
We will never try and do a ‘VW software update’ for our customers.
“There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers carâ€
Slightly off topic as we are talking about VW ME9 but what about Renault dCi EDC16 and many IVECO ECU’s with the chassis number in the flash?
Ford EEC-V with unique file checksum for every car?
I think you could call them unique :wink:
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god you tuners :grin: round 3 :cool:
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“239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery? Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. â€
OK, Not so good for that hardware LOL!
No mention of S3 injectors or Turbo upgrade anywhere on this thread?
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The car was standard when it was mapped, 239BHP was with a standard engine with a evom air intake.( it did run OK, but loads of flat spots)
I then installed, HPFP, K04, S3 injecters, Full miltek system, THS IC,Neuspeed Hi-Flow Turbo Discharge,Neuspeed Hi-Flow Intercooler Pipe.
Then the car was not happy :grin:
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Hey guys! I normally spend time on the Mk6 section, but as I've just bought a late Mk5 GTI I've been spending time over here also.
As I was reading this thread I was recounting the discussion I had the seller of the car in which I asked if it had been modified in any way. He replied no and I duly passed on the same response when asked by insurance company. What's concerning me now is how can I be sure? Both my insurance cover and the outstanding warranty are potentially at risk. What's the best way to confirm this? Should a visit to a remapper on the cards? What about your typical VW dealer, would they be able to confirm this? :undecided:
Appreciate your thoughts.
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just put the car on a rolling road mate :)
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Hi MaXXeH,
To be fair to AMD it sounds like they are doing it the right way!
For the 2.0 TFSI’s with the ME9 ECU there are a lot of different original files
SOME WITH THE SAME HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE NUMBERS BUT MOST DEFINATELY DIFFERENT FILES WITH HUGE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOFTWARE CODE AREA!
All they are doing is covering their arses rather than gambling with a customers’ car for which you can’t really knock them.
It is always best to have the original file for a vehicle than to use a tuners best guess.
With the older Golf V’s there seems to be only 1 or 2 variations for each hardware/softrware version where as later ME9’s (S3/TTS) there are way more:
0261S02721-1037501227 is for 09, 10 + 11 plate S3/TTS and so far we have found 5 different versions of original file with the same Hardware and Software numbers!
They have massive differences in the software code area.
Nick (RT) is right though, the Maps locations and values are generally the same so provided you have a read out of the file currently in the car and compare the maps with another original with matching hardware/software numbers you could ‘make’ an original but this would always be a last resort for us.
I suspect what’s happened with AMD is Angel tuning have locked out the OBD read function meaning they can only get the hardware and software numbers but no actual OBD read and for the reasons stated above it would be a risky process to flash another file into it without being able to see what is currently in there. Perhaps they are trying to avoid having to remove the ECU????
Also, size of file depends on what tool you use for OBD read and write............ most tools only read a partial file hence the need for ‘full BDM’ read out as suggested by Nick, we use CMDFlash for these which reads/writes the full 16Mbit (2048k) file via OBD ;-)
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery?
Keep us all posted.........
Nick – Carbon Chiptuning
239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery? Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:
I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for download. And with Med9 as long as the Bosch numbers, hardware numbers and software numbers all match there will be NO issues. Infact its even worth flashing the car with the latest sw version if the tuner has the file to hand which will have the highest S00** number for is the tuner IDs 1K0907115F S0009 then the better files would be S0019 which is the latest dealer update.
Your file will be one of the following, this is a my database to the lastest dealer sw versions if a car come in with a later software version we would upgradet the get to the very latest sw version then map the car using the correct version.
There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers car.
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh252/Rtechremaps/tfsi.jpg)
“239HP sounds like a good file BTW – does it drive nicely on the road, good linear power delivery? Thats with a k04 turbo s3 injecotrs. :smiley:â€
OK, Not so good for that hardware LOL!
No mention of S3 injectors or Turbo upgrade anywhere on this thread?
“I know AMD also have a CMD, should have access to the CMD data base which will have the full stock file listed for downloadâ€
LOL! You’ve not been on CMD’s database before then! To call it sparse would be kind :lipsrsealed:
Anyway, at the end of the day we all have our own way of doing things and all we can do is put forward the way we work and any information supporting that methodology:
I know for a fact that not all cars will get the latest S/W revisions installed @ VW - it comes down to a number of things, the hardware and options on that particular vehicle that can only be checked via chassis number, also some software revisions are to address specific running issues on a vehicle and if a vehicle is not suffering with these problems VW will not apply the update – it is not as simple as the highest number is the latest/best update.
We will never try and do a ‘VW software update’ for our customers.
“There is no such thing as a stock map unique to a customers carâ€
Slightly off topic as we are talking about VW ME9 but what about Renault dCi EDC16 and many IVECO ECU’s with the chassis number in the flash?
Ford EEC-V with unique file checksum for every car?
I think you could call them unique :wink:
I am talking about VAG ecus as it 90% if what we do and its a VAG forum, I know a few brands have unique files, ford carry the VINs in the maps ect, BMW edc16 the same HW/SW then SWR so if SWR aint correct the the engine wont run, and sw can clash with gearbox canbus.
All the big name tuners like Revo and APR all use latest SW revision during a remap session if a car comes in with S0008 the it will go out with S0010 its the correct way to do it, and old AUM 2001 032DR HW887-SW128 should be mapped to SW 272 as the 272 was a dealer update sw and make the car run much better in stock from AND once remapped, and the like of Revo, APR and myself have been doing this since day dot with VAG and Vauxhall.
But like you say all tuners work in differing ways, we work in a way that keep customers happy the car and engines safe and customer feedback topped up.
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just put the car on a rolling road mate :)
Keep me up dataed m8 :grin:
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You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car :nerd: It ensures that nothing goes astray..........
As long as the hardware number and sw number matches then every map is identical, it's only the EEPROM which is unique to each car and only a handful of tuners actually patch the EEPROM during s mapping session.
Thats just what Rhyso said :nerd:
You can't use ANY GTI map as there are various software / hardware versions and it's always best that you have the original file where possible from your car.
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god you tuners :grin: round 3 :cool:
Tell me about it they are both crap.. AMD FTMFW !!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Disclaimer - I am joking guys :cool:
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You can't strictly use ANY GTI map as there were various software and hardware revisions so its best that you have the original file pulled from your car :nerd: It ensures that nothing goes astray..........
As long as the hardware number and sw number matches then every map is identical, it's only the EEPROM which is unique to each car and only a handful of tuners actually patch the EEPROM during s mapping session.
Read the thread, as long as the Bosch number and hardware numbers match and sw code match then the correct matching file CAN be used. 115T comes with 3 sw version all will work 100% but the best version to use would be the latest UPDATE version based on the S0000 numbers.
You can argue all day long and miss inform that forum, but the truth is what I am stating, it's the way I work, it's the way revo and apr and other tuners work. A whole production line of 1000 cars come off the production Line all the same modle and spec all of the 1000 car will have the exact same map on there ecu and won't change until a dealer sw update is out to iron out code bugs.
I have nothing to gain or lose by giving this information, I just like forums members to be informed on the actual facts... I am not a salesman I am a tuner who has a passion for tuning not, starting dealers up, companies up everywhere to get sales. One company many many years of happy feedback on many forums to what we do.
I have wrote 1000s of map to VAG ecus over the years, and if I have been doing it wrong don't you think I would have 1000s of unhappy customers???
Thats just what Rhyso said :nerd:
You can't use ANY GTI map as there are various software / hardware versions and it's always best that you have the original file where possible from your car.
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LOL!! :grin:
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LOL!! :grin:
:-)
There is no black art to any of this just common understanding of the BEST way to keep car and customer happy.
What did your car end up pulling? 322bhp my guess!
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i was just laffing at tech, all ways chucking a spanner in the works lol
na i find what your saying intresting, have a far better understanding :smiley:
they still have the car and wont tell me anything yet!!
i also pmed u nick
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i was just laffing at tech, all ways chucking a spanner in the works lol
na i find what your saying intresting, have a far better understanding :smiley:
they still have the car and wont tell me anything yet!!
i also pmed u nick
If it's owt like the stage 2 HPFP ED30 I did I will be mental and give you a massive grin. You will then need the AMD BTCC brakes :-)
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i was just laffing at tech, all ways chucking a spanner in the works lol
Just trying to help its a forum after all not a boxing ring :wink:
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god you tuners :grin: round 3 :cool:
Tell me about it they are both crap.. AMD FTMFW !!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Disclaimer - I am joking guys :cool:
LOL! Nice bit of Banter always lightens the mood :wink:
Not quite sure why the following ended up hidden in ADAM’s quote but it’s there none the less:
RTechUK:
“Read the thread, as long as the Bosch number and hardware numbers match and sw code match then the correct matching file CAN be used. 115T comes with 3 sw version all will work 100% but the best version to use would be the latest UPDATE version based on the S0000 numbers.
You can argue all day long and miss inform that forum, but the truth is what I am stating, it's the way I work, it's the way revo and apr and other tuners work. A whole production line of 1000 cars come off the production Line all the same modle and spec all of the 1000 car will have the exact same map on there ecu and won't change until a dealer sw update is out to iron out code bugs.
I have nothing to gain or lose by giving this information, I just like forums members to be informed on the actual facts... I am not a salesman I am a tuner who has a passion for tuning not, starting dealers up, companies up everywhere to get sales. One company many many years of happy feedback on many forums to what we do.
I have wrote 1000s of map to VAG ecus over the years, and if I have been doing it wrong don't you think I would have 1000s of unhappy customers???â€
“You can argue all day long and miss inform that forum, but the truth is what I am stating, it's the way I work, it's the way revo and apr and other tuners workâ€
Right, ‘miss inform’ is based on your opinion so please remember it is just that – an opinion.
Obviously you are a REVO dealer so I’m sure you’ve had a good look at their files and what they do but how do you know with such confidence what APR and other tuners do? I find it very hard to believe that such large companies who work mainly on new cars that are still under warranty would be doing this when there are very obvious issues with working in this way if you actually sit down and think about it for a minute.
What happens when your nice 11 plate TTS goes back into AUDI with a different software version and no record on AUDI’s systems of the car ever having a software update! NOT GOOD!
Anyway, to all reading I can only apologise for the public arguments that seem to end up happening every time I post ANYTHING on this forum – It is not intentional on my part but if questioned about our methodology I will always justify the way we work with simple logic.
My input on this thread was really just to say I understand the potential issues AMD could be having and just to go easy on them as everyone seemed to be having a go – That was greeted by:
“I’m right, you’re wrong, I must be right because Revo + APR do itâ€
Hardly the best examples of companies that don’t have problems :lipsrsealed:
Anyway, yet again a thread turned into ‘a boxing ring’ as tech1889 said - hopefully in the future we might be able to post our opinions and the information we have to offer without this happening....................
I live in hope LOL!
Nick – Carbon Chiptuning
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I am in contact with lot of tuners across the uk, I did not go on a 2 week dimsport training course to learn to add % to map pack drivers, I built up my methods from trail and error, talking to other tuners ect. As for a remap on car with warranty I tell customers to be honest with there Vw dealer and tell them the car is remaped, because its easy for the dealer to tell a car is remapped just by driving it or logging. If customers start to lie about the map it seem they have something to hide and admitting no faith in the remap.
I do work of 3 major dealers local and they tell me all the stories about remapping and warranty claims.
My interests are to my customer and there car making sure it's on the best software revision with all the bugs mapped out. If you check out revo and apr you will find they offer sw updates by using the latest sw to iron out bugs in the stock code.
So if you had a forum member come to carbon chiptuning for a remap with a 2001 AUM and you ID there ecu as 032DR 887-128 would you map the car using the 128 software or update it to 272 software which got rid of the bug and maps better and safer with the fuel? Or would they go out with a sw version known to have bugs in the code? But then later 032HJ its a BAD move to use the latest SW as it has a surge point in the torque structure code.
Its down to understanding the ecu code to make sure the car and map is 100% ok, differing code DO have factory based issues and bugs underlaying. have a read here > http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/194909-have-you-got-a-boost-surge-after-a-re-map/
The tuner was taking a bit of a bashing onn the forum, he used the sw he read off the car to produce the map like carbon chiptuning would, but becuase the code as bugs in the torque structure it highlighted the issues. After a few month I emailed the tune Ben and gave him good advise on how to fix the issues (the same as I do with this forum) the end result was the customer ended up happy and with good running cars.
The tuners reply:
Further to Ollie's post, flashing the car with a different version of factory software has solved the issue, a suggestion that was made by Nick at R-tech (thanks Nick).
The first version of the remap for Ollie was perfect apart from a slight flat spot, which we then retuned and I believe Ollie left a happy chap (unfortunately I'd popped out to pick up some parts and Ollie had to go - so thanks to Ollie for his patience with the testing).
As Ollie mentioned we now have to work on making this work with an STS (which isn't going to be that straight forward).
As for the rolling road thing - yes I understand your point but generally testing is best done on the road IMO. Having said that, it might not be so much of a problem in the not-so-distant future... watch this space.
So, let's move forward knowing that there is a fix. Can those who require a reworked map (either by STS or by coming to us) please let me know by email or PM.
End of matter IMO
Unless your mapping an R8 MED9 dual ecus where both ecus have to have exact same in both ecus and must only use the ID map..lol
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I feel after reading this thread I could start my own tuning company and babble people with me9976bfa ecu and map it via the gudd244 mapping tool.. It's easy no ??
Just trying to lighten the mood.. Maxxeh when ya car done come lakeside and take me out please lol
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tech, u do make me laff :grin:
I do respect you nick, u are a proper ecu geek :nerd: I have learned a sh!t load from you to having a debate :P thanks :)
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Thread cleaned up; this is a forum not a boxing ring :rolleyes:
You both have different methods, different areas of expertise and different markets so there's plenty of room within the forum for everyone
:smiley:
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Thread cleaned up; this is a forum not a boxing ring :rolleyes:
You both have different methods, different areas of expertise and different markets so there's plenty of room within the forum for everyone
:smiley:
Well sir when your right your right.
Sorry for brawling. :embarassed:
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lol dan dont get me worried again! i will be doing some mega logging befor i trash my car when i get her back.
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People clearly don't get it do they :rolleyes:
Stick to the topic at hand and not bash the forum traders whether it be Carbon or R-Tech. Like I said, they have different markets and different customer bases
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Thread cleaned up; this is a forum not a boxing ring :rolleyes:
You both have different methods, different areas of expertise and different markets so there's plenty of room within the forum for everyone
:smiley:
I said this first :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
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Thread cleaned up; this is a forum not a boxing ring :rolleyes:
You both have different methods, different areas of expertise and different markets so there's plenty of room within the forum for everyone
:smiley:
I said this first :nerd: :nerd: :nerd:
Sadly you're the only one paying attention