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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: dibdub on 06 July 2011, 20:36
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In the market for new mk2 gti 16v and was debating spending the extra bit and go for a wolfsburg g60?
Has anyone else had a g60?
What are you views on which is the better?or what do people prefer who have been lucky enough to own both. :grin:
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Wolfsburg G60?
Wolfsburg is where the VW Factory is and where the Mk2 was made, nothing else.
The supercharger on the G needs a re-con every 40k and from the factory they were pushing out 160bhp whereas the 16v was 139bhp. The G60 sounds like a scalded cat, or if you are lucky enough to own a Bahn Brenner charged G, a sreaming dying cat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_g7YtBRQI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_g7YtBRQI)
Remember that all 'real' G60 Golfs were LHD so if you're not prepared to put up with that, a 16v or a converted G60 mk2 is the way ahead.
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i own a 16v gti and an edition one g60
id say value wise the 16v is the best bet , its got enough power to be fun , but good on fuel and theyre reliable , common enough for spares etc
the g60 has a bit more power , few differant bits from the factory like strengthed chassis legs and the high tunnel , bonded screen etc , but theyre a bugger on fuel and the charger needs coslty servicing, the lhd doesnt bother me a bit though
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A nice valver ftw :cool:
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Charger servicing isn't that expensive, about £400 and needs doing every 3 years or so depending on how much you use it. Much more fun to drive than a 16v and forget the 160bhp ... 68mm pulley and remap (+ a cam and decent exhaust perhaps) and you'll see a reasonable increase - leave a valver for dead ;)
For better fuel economy you can put a diesel 'box in.
Better vid of Lysholm charger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SafUg_qsHeA
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Better vid of Lysholm charger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SafUg_qsHeA
Fook me that looks quick :smiley:
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Sounds like my old Tamiya Avante.
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Depends on how deep your pockets are, i would go for an 16v.
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All about the 16vt :cool:
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Will the car be used everyday, or just as a toy ?
:smiley:
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Will the car be used everyday, or just as a toy ?
:smiley:
Daily toy? :evil:
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man up and G60 LHD it. :cool:
My next purchase
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man up and G60 LHD it. :cool:
My next purchase
The best there is!
(http://gtitoolbox.com/files/Mk2GolfLtd.JPG)
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Rhd, tuned 20vt more like..
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Rhd, tuned 20vt more like..
Meh drove a 20vT the other day (albeit in an S3) and found it a bit boring :grin:
But that could be because it's modern and therefore not as raw as a mk2 :cool:
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how about a 16v ABF in a mk2??
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For ease and cost, abf is hard to beat, for all out time + money a 20vt with a few trick bits including lsd brakes + big turbo is awesome. Very awesome, will ruin an s3 as well...
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For ease and cost, abf is hard to beat, for all out time + money a 20vt with a few trick bits including lsd brakes + big turbo is awesome. Very awesome, will ruin an s3 as well...
Limited Skid Disk Brakes? :laugh:
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For ease and cost, abf is hard to beat, for all out time + money a 20vt with a few trick bits including lsd brakes + big turbo is awesome. Very awesome, will ruin an s3 as well...
Limited Skid Disk Brakes? :laugh:
I want some of those! :afro:
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Sorry! Lsd, brakes and big turbo. You picky ballbag rash
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Sorry! Lsd, brakes and big turbo. You picky ballbag rash
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if it's a daily I'd say 16v, pref an ABF if you can find one.
G60 likes a drink, see ?
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My kjet abf + heavy right foot also equals an expensive car to fuel!! £10 a day, for less than 40 miles!! Beating the modern car mugs is worth it though..
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Cue the ABF w/kjet bashing! :grin:
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Cue the ABF w/kjet bashing! :grin:
ABF K-jet FTW then :grin:
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http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238236
this looks a good un
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http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238236
this looks a good un
Sensible money. :smiley:
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So far the kjet is the only thing that's been problem free with my car, other than the not so great mpg.. If the 160bhp I had rr'd is accurate and I'm pushing more than a standard digi abf then for over engineering the control to make slightly better bhp with less power isn't worth it imo. I've seen a lot of head scratching posts due to the digi setup, my kjet I now understand, and can test and fault find (should I need to) quite easily, digi requires a bit more electrical knowledge which people expecting plug and play don't always have. I like kjet, so does my old school rr man. When optimised it aint so bad...
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...but it needs optimising regularly and what is this 150bhp abf figure all about? Decat and decent exhaust alone and you'll see 160bhp, add a 4bar fpr and a chip and you'll see 170ish.
However, G60 still makes sense as you can see 200-220 without too much hassle :)
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to get K jet absolutly cock on just takes to much effort TBH.
you have to check every singel part of the system to ensure it's working correctly and replace or rebuild if it isn't. that can cost a few £'s
then it needs setting up right and i don't mean jut the contol pressures and CO, there is adjustement for trimmiing each injector its something a lot of people never bother doing and it's supriseing how far the setting can stray over time. top reason for K jet abf's eatingn pistons even tho there set up "perfectly".
all it needs is 1 injector to spray a bit less and another to spray more and even tho the overall lambda reading is correct one cyl can be lean, pop the injectors out pu them in measuring tubes and wedge the metering flap open odds on the tubes are going to fill at diffrent rates. twerk the littel screws so they ll fill at the same rate and it'll go better.
personaly i prefer electronic managment far easyer imo
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I bet a g60 mk2 is a lot of fun, it was good in the corrado minus the rubbish gear ratios and high fuel consumption.
I suppose it will be like the 8v vs 16v arguments, those who favour the 8v will prefer the g60, those who favour the 16v will prefer the abf.
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As above, do you prefer the lazy. bottom-endyness of a single cam unit. or enjoy working the engine to get the most out of it?
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you can run a decent well maintained 16v about all day long like you stole it bouncing it off the rev limiter etc and it will take it , if it blows your looking at under £200 to get another used engine
g60's dont like to be abused and you stand a good chance of damaging the charger if you use it hard , plus its £££ to fix it if/when you blow it
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after much thinking.
for a toy i think id have a g60 actualy.
reason been i've had a lot of 16v stuff now, there is more bhp in the g60.
if i din't like it i don't think itd take long for a 16v head to find itself been fitted and if the charger went nucler oh well theres allways eatons
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I have a mk2 8v g60 (as per sig) stage 4 charger, small pulley, manifold etc etc.
Its a lot of fun and i highly recommend you get one, im due to get it on the rolling rd this weekend so will let you know how it goes.
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I have a mk2 8v g60 (as per sig) stage 4 charger, small pulley, manifold etc etc.
Its a lot of fun and i highly recommend you get one, im due to get it on the rolling rd this weekend so will let you know how it goes.
Is yours a genuine LHD g60? Or a g60'd GTI?
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you can run a decent well maintained 16v about all day long like you stole it bouncing it off the rev limiter etc and it will take it , if it blows your looking at under £200 to get another used engine
g60's dont like to be abused and you stand a good chance of damaging the charger if you use it hard , plus its £££ to fix it if/when you blow it
Is there a rev limiter on the 16v? ive never red lined mine, i keep it over 4k revs and just before the red ftw. i keep the rev limiting stuff for the company car :laugh:
I suppose there no turbo lag on the G60? I drove a scooby once, sti prodrive, fooking loads of lag but neck breaking boost after the wait :grin: :grin: :grin: Like my valver, have to keep the revs up, but more fun
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No turbo lag, its supercharged so belt driven, instant boost.
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I have a mk2 8v g60 (as per sig) stage 4 charger, small pulley, manifold etc etc.
Its a lot of fun and i highly recommend you get one, im due to get it on the rolling rd this weekend so will let you know how it goes.
Is yours a genuine LHD g60? Or a g60'd GTI?
Yea as you say mate its a gti'd G60. Got a great spec tho from uprated brakes + braided lines, i.cooler, oil cooler, catch tank, full zorst. etc
As said above its great for low down power, i end up short shifting all the time as you dont need to go above 5k, makes a change from owning a Itg type R previously :laugh:
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I'd go with the 16valve as my mate has a g60'd gti and its slower. He cant leavr me in bottom gears and top gears he just gets in the way. That day he was not happy. But if it was for a toy only a fully tweaked g60 lhd would be were I would go
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Why does everyone want a lhd g60. I'd probably pay more for a rhd, so I could overtake properly on our roads! Don't mention originality either because most people tune them and change bits...just to be different I'm guessing?!
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High centre tunnel, bonded windscreen and reinforced front chassis legs all = much stifferer shell.
If you know, you know :wink:
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Why does everyone want a lhd g60. I'd probably pay more for a rhd, so I could overtake properly on our roads! Don't mention originality either because most people tune them and change bits...just to be different I'm guessing?!
I just want one for the sake of the comfortable LHD seating position :laugh:
Stripped back a G60 shell the other week and they have lots of stronger bits around the whole shell as DH said. Also ABS and other refinements.
Would love a mint aubergine example :smiley:
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lhd makes bugger all differance , its no biggie and its nice to have a proper factory car with the little add ons like the chassis legs beefed up , screen and abs
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Ok I stand corrected, didn't realise the shells were physically stronger! Niiice! Never driven a lhd but I'd imagine its harder to see ahead for overtaking on some roads
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can be slightly worse but its made to sound worse by people that havent driven one
often you can see through the windows or down the other side , remember your head is only about 2 foot from its rhd place , feels a bit more natrual to use your right hand to change gear too
id not let it bother you if you ever consider a lhd car , after a hour its fine
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Sweet. Their used to be a lot of dutch import (aiii) mk3 vr6's round my way, all left hookers, used to think they'd be having a nightmare..
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A LHD is worst for the front seat passenger, its wierd, was in a left hooker mk1 golf years ago and i was looking for the steering wheel and pedals whilst my mate had his right foot to the floor :grin:
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I have driven a few lhd cars, as Danny said you soon get used to it.
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how are the chassis legs reinforced in a g60? pics if anyone has them!
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if you imagine the end of the leg is a square , they have a brace welded in like / even then bumper brackers differ
floor has the syncro tunnel even on 2wd models
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ah i see!
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So is the rallye beefier too? Are g60's/rallyes the same purely apart from rear quarters and wings etc then?
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4WD?
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I meant shell wise. I know they're quite different otherwise
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No, the shell's significantly reinforced, which is part of the problem with the Rallye.
It's heavy.
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Was thinkin that myself. Unnecessarily strengthened means unnecessarily heavier...