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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Hartside on 26 June 2011, 12:12
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Car just serviced, despite being on Time and Distance, they put in Longlife Oil, which going by other posts is the norm. I've got a top up litre of Castrol Edge in the boot, will this be compatible with what they put in?
Got to say I question whether they changed the oil as the car only has 3500 miles on it. I expected to see clean golden oil but it doesn't seem so. Is longlife a darker colour? The filter has been changed for sure, as I have a previous under bonnet photo but jury's out on the oil :angry:
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It's a petrol GTI
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Reference the compatibility you'll need to check the code on the back of the Edge bottle to see if VW recommend it, and if I remember correctly, it is a little darker than the norm.
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Thanks for the quick answer. The Edge is VW compatible, just wondered if it's compatible with the oil they used for the service (if that makes sense)
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Yes it is. VW dealers even sell the castrol stuff from the parts department. Just make sure you have the correct version of the castrol edge as theres more than one version. :wink: It should say on the label on the front for audi/VW long life or something like that.
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I got it from the dealer when I took delivery of the car. Checked it over and it's the right one. Still not sure they changed the oil though :angry:
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Longlife oil is any oil approved by Volksawgen to standard 504.00/507.00 and is designed for variable service intervals. Non-longlife oil is VW 502.00/505.00 and is meant for fixed service intervals.
504/507 oil can be used for both Longlife or time & distance service regimes, whereas 502/505 oil should only be used for the latter.
See here for more information. (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=65779.0)
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Reference the compatibility you'll need to check the code on the back of the Edge bottle to see if VW recommend it, and if I remember correctly, it is a little darker than the norm.
Im using Longlife 3 in mine (Gold bottle), iv got the audi S3 engine in my mk 3 GTI, did the oil last week. If i check the dipstick and wipe it on some kitchen roll (as i did today), mine looks golden colour
Hope this helps
P.S, if they have changed the filter, id put money on it they have changed the oil too :wink:
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Hmmmm, just checked it again and took a photo. I reckon it's on it's old oil and they haven't changed it, what everyones thoughts. I've done 10 miles since they were supposed to have changed it:
(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l12/hartside/Colin%20T/Oilchangepicture.jpg)
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If the filter has been changed ? Are you sure the filter was done ? Reason I say it is because you can't change the filter with out the oil ? Looking at the oil on the tissue it's to black , if it was me I would dump the car back on there forecourt tell them to change it properly ! :cool:
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If the filter has been changed ? Are you sure the filter was done ? Reason I say it is because you can't change the filter with out the oil ? Looking at the oil on the tissue it's to black , if it was me I would dump the car back on there forecourt tell them to change it properly ! :cool:
why cant you change the filter without doing the oil?
it maybe shouldnt be done but you can remove an oil filter without dropping the oil from the sump. the oil will only come out the oil pump if there is pressure, i.e the engin running, if you have the engine off its fine to remove the filter, you will only lose what oil is in the filter
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I'm going back tomorrow as I'm pissed off about this. I hate garages just taking the mick, hoping you won't check. Thing that is strange to me though is 500 miles ago the oil was quite clear when I last checked. It's like they have put old oil into it. Smells like it too :angry:
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Hartside, that certainly doesn't look like fresh engine oil - but if they didn't drain it fully then the old oil would mix and give the same result.
Longlife oil is any oil approved by Volksawgen to standard 504.00/507.00 and is designed for variable service intervals. Non-longlife oil is VW 502.00/505.00 and is meant for fixed service intervals.
504/507 oil can be used for both Longlife or time & distance service regimes, whereas 502/505 oil should only be used for the latter.
I'd point out here that 502.00 doesn't really tie down the oil viscosity adequately for the TFSI/TSI engines - it won't allow the engine to meet Euro IV emissions and there is anecdotal evidence that re-circulation of oil vapour from the crankcase breather results in significant deposit build up in the intake ports and on the back of the valves. Additionally 505.00 (the diesel "equivalent") isn't low in sulphur/sulpahted ash so will probably hurt the DPF on GTD's.
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Hartside: Agree with all the above.
I had an oil and filter change at 1k miles and then another oil and filter change in March for my first service. The oil was long life and golden in colour. I checked my dipstick earlier today and no oil had been used and it was a slightly darker shade of gold, but gold and not black.
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Longlife oil is any oil approved by Volksawgen to standard 504.00/507.00 and is designed for variable service intervals. Non-longlife oil is VW 502.00/505.00 and is meant for fixed service intervals.
504/507 oil can be used for both Longlife or time & distance service regimes, whereas 502/505 oil should only be used for the latter.
I'd point out here that 502.00 doesn't really tie down the oil viscosity adequately for the TFSI/TSI engines - it won't allow the engine to meet Euro IV emissions and there is anecdotal evidence that re-circulation of oil vapour from the crankcase breather results in significant deposit build up in the intake ports and on the back of the valves. Additionally 505.00 (the diesel "equivalent") isn't low in sulphur/sulpahted ash so will probably hurt the DPF on GTD's.
I agree. 504/507 oils arguably keep the intake valves cleaner for longer, reduces EGR clogging, and prolongs the life of the DPF. If one has a direct-injection petrol (i.e. FSI, TSI, TFSI, etc.) or diesel (TDI) engine, then I believe you are really better off with this oil.
However, for warranty purposes, VW deem it acceptable to use 502/505 oils (except for vehicles fitted with a DPF) as long as you are on the Time & Distance service regime - which I find incredulous, but there you go. :huh:
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Hyperspace:
Until 6 months ago, the oil on the shelves in my local VW parts dept was not long life oil! I asked them if the oil they used was the one on the shelves. They concurred.
When I had my car serviced in March, the Service Manager and Tech assured me they had used long life oil. I had no choice but believe them.
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Reminds me of when my dad had his Focus :sick: serviced.
He checked the oil when he got the car home and couldn't see a drop on the dip stick. He phoned the garage to complain and the manager and a mechanic came straight away.
Turns out the oil was that fresh you literally couldn't see it on the dip stick it was that clear. However a rub with a tissue showed him it was there.
He was so embarrassed.
Back on topic, I totally agree with the others, the oil should still be golden brown not dark brown. Maybe they never fulled drained it before adding the new stuff, leaving some of the crap still in it.
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Just gave my car in for a valet.
They use Quantum and the equivalent Shell for all their servicing. Both long life oils.
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Until 6 months ago, the oil on the shelves in my local VW parts dept was not long life oil! I asked them if the oil they used was the one on the shelves. They concurred.
When I had my car serviced in March, the Service Manager and Tech assured me they had used long life oil. I had no choice but believe them.
The dealer gets its instructions from Volkswagen, and Volkswagen have said either 502/505 or 504/507 is fine - they would then presumably leave the choice up to the customer. So even though I'd be uncomfortable with the use of non-longlife oils, it's not like the dealer was acting contrary to company policy (which as far as I'm aware, hasn't changed, though feel free to correct me).
I kinda get the impression that more dealers are starting to use 504/507 oils exclusively. Perhaps the dealers are seeing less older vehicles in their workshop, or just want to simply their inventory & costs, or maybe VW's policy has indeed changed, I don't know.
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Until 6 months ago, the oil on the shelves in my local VW parts dept was not long life oil! I asked them if the oil they used was the one on the shelves. They concurred.
When I had my car serviced in March, the Service Manager and Tech assured me they had used long life oil. I had no choice but believe them.
The dealer gets its instructions from Volkswagen, and Volkswagen have said either 502/505 or 504/507 is fine - they would then presumably leave the choice up to the customer. So even though I'd be uncomfortable with the use of non-longlife oils, it's not like the dealer was acting contrary to company policy (which as far as I'm aware, hasn't changed, though feel free to correct me).
I kinda get the impression that more dealers are starting to use 504/507 oils exclusively. Perhaps the dealers are seeing less older vehicles in their workshop, or just want to simply their inventory & costs, or maybe VW's policy has indeed changed, I don't know.
I spoke to the Service Manager today and indeed using Long Life oil has simplified their inventory + costs and has kept most customers happy!
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I spoke to the Service Manager today and indeed using Long Life oil has simplified their inventory + costs and has kept most customers happy!
Well there you go, everyone wins (as long as the mechanic is actually changing the oil!).
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I spoke to the Service Manager today and indeed using Long Life oil has simplified their inventory + costs and has kept most customers happy!
Well there you go, everyone wins (as long as the mechanic is actually changing the oil!).
Ha, ha! :laugh:
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Well, stalemate with the dealer, he reckons they changed it and I reckon they didn't. Showed me it on the computer therefore it must be true. Went to the car and talked it through with him, got nowhere!
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I'm sure there is someone on here that had done tests on various oils and was able to tell how much it had degraded etc Maybe PM him to see if he can help you in any way. Maybe even by giving you some terminology to throw back at the dealer. They hate that.
Edit: Have a look here
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=161777.0
Bullsh!t them that you sent your oil of for analysis or are about to send it off here
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/
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Until 6 months ago, the oil on the shelves in my local VW parts dept was not long life oil! I asked them if the oil they used was the one on the shelves. They concurred.
When I had my car serviced in March, the Service Manager and Tech assured me they had used long life oil. I had no choice but believe them.
The dealer gets its instructions from Volkswagen, and Volkswagen have said either 502/505 or 504/507 is fine - they would then presumably leave the choice up to the customer. So even though I'd be uncomfortable with the use of non-longlife oils, it's not like the dealer was acting contrary to company policy (which as far as I'm aware, hasn't changed, though feel free to correct me).
I kinda get the impression that more dealers are starting to use 504/507 oils exclusively. Perhaps the dealers are seeing less older vehicles in their workshop, or just want to simply their inventory & costs, or maybe VW's policy has indeed changed, I don't know.
I spoke to the Service Manager today and indeed using Long Life oil has simplified their inventory + costs and has kept most customers happy!
The thread linked to earlier on the mk5 maintenance section by TT says VW dealers were back then instructed by VW to use longlife in both service routines. You will also find the link between castrol and VWs branded Quantum oil on that thread. You may also have noticed the oil brand name on the oil filler cap on the engine :wink: