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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Exonian on 25 June 2011, 16:02
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I used to hate these, in fact I slated them in every thread that featured them.
Today I woke up and decided I liked them.
Talk me to my senses.
(http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff479/kelvinspyderauto/PRO-YD-VG10-DRL-BK.jpg)
Here's a thread with lots of pics: http://golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14683
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr-Kv2ThEXQ&feature=player_detailpage
And then there's these: (https://www.dectane.de/images/product_images/popup_images/swv32agxb_ani.gif)
Help!
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You been drinking?? :huh:
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I, like Kenny, like them and they are popular in the USA.
However, Snoops was disgusted by the wiring which then put me off. :rolleyes:
I still like them. :smiley:
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You been drinking?? :huh:
I find sleep depravation works just as well. Thank you for your kind concern. :kiss:
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I've liked them since Kenny showed them.
When you getting them? :lipsrsealed: :laugh:
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I've liked them since Kenny showed them.
When you getting them? :lipsrsealed: :laugh:
Hopefully I'm not. I'm relying on you lot to talk me out of it. I'm swaying towards the ones at the bottom of post 1 with the animated gif thingy.
319 Euros.
OEM Xenon retrofit looking like £1000 + and having trouble sourcing a lot of the bits second hand to keep the costs down. So I've been looking elsewhere, and tainted myself with these.......
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Not that sloppy second, PLEASE. :shocked: :sick:
Andy, are all those PMs we sent to each other having an effect. You can't be serious? Or are you? :shocked:
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It's the sun! I've not seen it for 3 months and it's gone to my head!! Oh and I've only had 2 hours sleep.......
I still like them......
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I used to hate these, in fact I slated them in every thread that featured them.
Today I woke up and decided I liked them.
Talk me to my senses.
I think we'd have to disown you if you installed those. We'd miss you but it would be for your own good. I saw a picture of a car with these in the other day and I'll try and find it. It looked like the car was cross eyed, sorta like it was trying to see its own bonnet badge. They're really ugly. I put together my xenons for under £1k, admittedly running the costs through my business which saved the VAT but I'd rather do that than have these ugly things spoiling the front.
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I had them on my mk5. The wiring as it comes is pretty messy, but easily tidied up with heat shrink once they are fitted and wired in.
Much prefer my xenons now though.
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I've liked them since Kenny showed them.
When you getting them? :lipsrsealed: :laugh:
Hopefully I'm not. I'm relying on you lot to talk me out of it. I'm swaying towards the ones at the bottom of post 1 with the animated gif thingy.
319 Euros.
OEM Xenon retrofit looking like £1000 + and having trouble sourcing a lot of the bits second hand to keep the costs down. So I've been looking elsewhere, and tainted myself with these.......
Well now that you say that...
... they look better than OEM fairy lights (IMO) and are much, muuuuuuuch cheaper.
So yeah, you are ultimately right. Not worth buying at all. :grin:
So when you getting them? :laugh:
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I used to hate these, in fact I slated them in every thread that featured them.
Today I woke up and decided I liked them.
Talk me to my senses.
I think we'd have to disown you if you installed those. We'd miss you but it would be for your own good. I saw a picture of a car with these in the other day and I'll try and find it. It looked like the car was cross eyed, sorta like it was trying to see its own bonnet badge. They're really ugly. I put together my xenons for under £1k, admittedly running the costs through my business which saved the VAT but I'd rather do that than have these ugly things spoiling the front.
That's more likt it. A bit of sense!
The top ones I used to accuse of looking boss eyed. The bottom ones look less so but have those silly halo things.
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I quite like them, sorry. :grin:
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Your car looks subtle and stylish at the moment - these lights will upset the OEM balance.
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I, like Kenny, like them and they are popular in the USA.
focus on this sentence and normality will be restored
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I think I saw a set of these lights on a Vauxhall Nova 1.2, slammed and loud at McDonalds late last night..... :evil:
DON'T DO IT!
Jim
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I think I saw a set of these lights on a Vauxhall Nova 1.2, slammed and loud at McDonalds late last night..... :evil:
DON'T DO IT!
Jim
Says the man with taste. :evil:
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I used to hate these, in fact I slated them in every thread that featured them.
Today I woke up and decided I liked them.
Talk me to my senses.
I think we'd have to disown you if you installed those. We'd miss you but it would be for your own good. I saw a picture of a car with these in the other day and I'll try and find it. It looked like the car was cross eyed, sorta like it was trying to see its own bonnet badge. They're really ugly. I put together my xenons for under £1k, admittedly running the costs through my business which saved the VAT but I'd rather do that than have these ugly things spoiling the front.
That's more likt it. A bit of sense!
The top ones I used to accuse of looking boss eyed. The bottom ones look less so but have those silly halo things.
I don't think you can make the decision without seeing shots of each in a car from face on, right or left three quarter and side on. The OEM Xenons flow with the lines of the car and are a coherent design. Both of these headlights look they've been scavenged from a parts bin and mashed into the housing.
Is it the cost or getting all the pieces of the assembly that is the problem? I might be able to help you out with parts as I have a wily supplier in Germany and I've tidied up the wiring looms a bit using Raychem heat shrink where I wasn't happy with the assembly.
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I don't think you can make the decision without seeing shots of each in a car from face on, right or left three quarter and side on. The OEM Xenons flow with the lines of the car and are a coherent design. Both of these headlights look they've been scavenged from a parts bin and mashed into the housing.
Is it the cost or getting all the pieces of the assembly that is the problem? I might be able to help you out with parts as I have a wily supplier in Germany and I've tidied up the wiring looms a bit using Raychem heat shrink where I wasn't happy with the assembly.
You are correct in the fact that you need to see the lights from so many different angles. And you are also right in the fact that they are generic bits shoved into a Golf shaped moulding. And you are talking me back into the right direction........
The cost of the OEM kit does bother me and I won't spend silly money doing it. But at the end of the day going purely on the cost front I look at it as if I part ex'ed the car against another one with the lights I'd lose a lot more money than if I just fitted the darn things to my car. And also I'd get a few quid back from them when I sold up again which I probably wouldn't if I had a car with factory fit xenons. There is a nice looking GTI on a 59 plate in a London dealer that has xenons and a host of extras for about £21.5k. I'd probably get about £18k back on mine against it and yet at trade prices the two cars would only be about £600 to £800 different in value. So swings and roundabouts.
Getting the bits is the pain in the bum at the minute. There are numerous headlights on German ebay which are expensive and need all the bits added to them. There is a set of lights on UK EBAY for £800 that were £750 a few days ago(!!) which have the bulbs and bits with them, but I'm having difficulty in finding the correct BCM second hand. Id need this as my car is an early built and I have the warning light for the LED tails as well. So all in it's going to be a headache. Mike has been a diamond in helping me with what bits I'd actually need to buy and links to how to get at the BCM easily, so I could fit the things myself at least.
I'm pretty sure the only reason I want the darn things is because I don't have them! I almost never use the car in the dark as I tend to drive my ancient SEAT Ibiza GTI 99% of the time. The headlights are sh!te on that car but it doesn't bother me in the slightest!!
Anyone know a good shrink? :grin:
So all advice, suggestions, links and every thing else is gladly taken on board, digested, regurgitated and digested a bit more for the hell of it, and one day I'm either going to fit the darn things or just go and buy another car to give myself another load of things to tinker with. One way or another I just need a rocket up my arse!
The missus will moan like hell about the cost for a while but I'll buy her off by doing a few DIY jobs around the house I've been building up for an occasion such as this, or give her some money toward a holiday of something. She's used to it by now!
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If you drive the Ibiza in the dark the most i really don't see the point of wasting the money on them.
I agree i think its simply because you don't have them you feel you want them.
I had the same thing about some monza shadows but came to my senses and spent the money i would have on wheel+tyres on getting another GTI! :grin:
Its odd as i too don't normally drive the mk6 much either, my main use is for the commute, I seem to end up driving one of the other cars the rest of the time. :undecided:
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I'm guessing that it's the mk2 Golf that has appeared in your little list then Geoff? Any links to it?
I blame Asker for the xenons. The standard lights never bothered me that much until Asker's threads started last year! Apart from the fact the standard bulbs are poo. But I changed them ages ago (and never use them!).
I really must spend far far far less time on forums, then I won't get annoyed by bits of my car that didn't annoy me previously! :sad:
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Andy, the forums are a good form of contraception. Think of all the money you save by not producing another sprog. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDY2p2twqhA&feature=related
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Mk2 never really wanted one as i was allways a diehard mk1 owner. I use to poke fun at them :evil: but the reputation i thought i should give it a try (only took me 20 years to come round :grin: ) since there is so many trying to sell them at the moment and there is some good cheap 8Vs about. I thought why not. I really wanted a small bumper 89 car but could not find one at the price/condition i wanted. This is a 91 non runout model, needs work but then it is 20 years old. :undecided: I kept comparing them to my mk1 i restored in 91 but i realised that was way unfare.. :undecided: Its a project once i sort the garage out. No photos at the moment due to it raining since i got it.
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Andy, the forums are a good form of contraception. Think of all the money you save by not producing another sprog. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDY2p2twqhA&feature=related
I just clicked that while i was also watching another Youtube video from work (that has no sound). Odd how they went together. :grin:
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Andy, the forums are a good form of contraception. Think of all the money you save by not producing another sprog. :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDY2p2twqhA&feature=related
I just clicked that while i was also watching another Youtube video (that has no sound). Odd how they went together. :grin:
Wasn't a porn vid was it Geoff?
I've had four mk2s ranging from two that were a couple of years old when I bought them and a couple that were quite old and used as runabouts when I was messing about with Diesel SEATs some years ago. I much prefer the 8v's as I'm a lazy driver. Every so often I get the urge to buy a nice one when I see one advertised at realistic money. It is surprising how over engineered they are and I still reckon that cars haven't improved on them since. Modern cars may be more full of toys but the engineering just isn't as pure. At least yours has PAS Geoff. I've had two that didn't and boy are they a chore to drive in traffic!
@ Asker: Working nights and being old, fat and lazy is also a great contraception. Looking like me is another bonus as the mere sight of my face puts the good lady into flight mode (in the opposite direction)!
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Wasn't a porn vid was it Geoff?
Sadly not, a video of a product from work.
I've had four mk2s ranging from two that were a couple of years old when I bought them and a couple that were quite old and used as runabouts when I was messing about with Diesel SEATs some years ago. I much prefer the 8v's as I'm a lazy driver. Every so often I get the urge to buy a nice one when I see one advertised at realistic money. It is surprising how over engineered they are and I still reckon that cars haven't improved on them since. They may be more full of toys but the engineering just isn't as pure. At least yours has PAS Geoff. I've had two that didn't and boy are they a chore to drive in traffic!
Ive driven many and i always liked the 8V better. Speed is not everything imo. Its why i like the 1.8 mk1 over the 1.6 mk1 and probably why as much as i loved my Ibiza GTI16V the 2.0 8V engine of our toledo sport at the time i felt was more for me.
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I wonder how many Toledo 2.0 Sports there are left now? :shocked: Not many I bet.
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Probably not. They loved to rot the jacking points out as it collected mud there. Also eat rear shockers which ment the rear end would step out for no reason and put you in a ditch. Many i bet died like that. It was just a rebodied jetta with mk3 mechanicals really but because of the hatch layout and huge boot was great for what we needed at the time.
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A work colleague of mine was going to buy one new back in the day because he'd had a child late in life due to a little accident :laugh:
But he ended up buying a Cordoba GT 2.0 8V which was just being launched at the time. I convinced him to get a BR Motorsport conversion on it (official SEAT tuner at the time).
He had a fair bit of trouble with it due to oil leaks though and eventually traded it for a Passat estate.
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
Ah, but those people will say that Xenons don't wear out but wheels and tyres do. Does that make sense? :laugh:
Luckily, I don't have Xenons. :wink:
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Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
Some people may say its obscene to spend a grand on alloys just so a car looks better to some people when its standing still
Even more so when taking into account the conditions of the roads today.
Good tyres i can see why spend the money on, as they improve saftey as does.....
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I am glad some of you have Xenons because you can light up my expensive and wonderful wheels even at night and then choke with jealousy 'cause your own ones arn't that nice. :kiss:
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You not got worms yet :evil:
I bought a set of wheels and got a car free. I could have even bought two for what some are looking at wheel/tyre packages :tongue:
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You not got worms yet :tongue: :evil:
I bought a set of wheels and got a car free. I could have even bought two :tongue:
Not yet, but I've got the right medicine in a set of BBS CK Silvers. Anyway, they'll be replaced under warranty if it happens, so I am not bothered. Might even only use the Shadows during the winter just to get the worm infestation. :evil:
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For winter use:
Asker buys 18" wheels and expensive tyres, I buy a car+insurance and for mild days a second set of wheels with cheap winter tyres and mines prob cheaper :grin:
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'Cause I am stupid. :tongue:
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I changed it abit when i thought about it more :wink: as one car will be going :wink:
Your not stupid you live in a city with public transport, with a parking shortage, with a storage problem and city that shuts down and calls a national emergency when two snow flakes fall from the sky. :tongue: :evil:
Anyway this is way off topic. As wheels and snow don't really go with lights :grin:
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True, but am still stupid to have 2 sets of wheels and tyres. I feel I have been too sensible all my life and I am fed up with it. I've stopped buying expensive shoes for myself and decided to spend on wheels and tyres instead. Does that make some sense? :laugh:
Wooops, way off Andy's topic. :rolleyes:
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Way way way OT, I go away for a few days and the place is a mess.
I feel some splitting and merging coming on :grin:
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I blaim the thread poster Exonian :tongue:
He got me talking about SEATs :grin:
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I blaim the thread poster Exonian :tongue:
He got me talking about SEATs :grin:
Fair comment I'll leave be then :grin:
You been drinking?? :huh:
Could answer a few things :grin:
They aint for me, I'd either go the OEM (ish :wink:) route.
Or split the original headlamps and put projector units inside your headlamps, we've done this on a few of our own vehicles ie mk 1 land rover discovery in work and the results are very good, also bravery is not required as you can get MK6 halogens for peanuts on flea bay for chopping up.
I'm happy to help you and seeing as your only 230 miles away you could be here in no time :wink:
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I have seen that done on another forum. Just trying to remember were now.
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
I'm going to reply to this in bold as it makes me look self important! :grin:
It does sound an awful lot of money to spend on a set of headlights, but if you spec them with a new build you are subject to the VW rip off pricing that makes them about £300 dearer than an equivalent SEAT or Skoda with the same upgrade.
For those of us too poor to buy a brand new £30k shopping car it is nigh on impossible to find one with the factory fitted xenons under about £26k, which to my eyes is still way too much to spend on a second hand Golf. I digress.
I only wanted the xenons after having owned the car for a while I noticed that the light from the standard headlights was shocking, much worse for some reason than the mk5 which looks like it has similar headlight units. I've upgraded the bulbs which I never felt necessary to do with either of my mk5s, and the light is better but still not perfect. Also having spent too long on this forum :laugh: there were all the retro fit xenon threads.
I live in the South West of England. 15 miles in either direction is a big moor, 10 miles South is the sea and in between and to the North of me are masses of windy roads that have no lighting, and hills, lots and lots of hills (which completely knacker fuel economy).
Factory fit xenons some with corner lighting which are ideal for those sort of roads. So I decided I needed a set.
It was whilst scouring ebay.de and further afield trying to complete the jigsaw of second hand parts needed from Mike's comprehensive list of parts that I kept coming accross these Dectane units which I initially hated. But every time I did a search for xenon parts I kept coming accross these lights as they are everywhere on ebay....and it got me thinking....they have projector lamps built into them, are an easy swap out with the standard lights.....and they're a bit different....and maybe a bit ugly.
Ideally I'd prefer to stick with OEM but I'm not willing to spend silly money on a set. As I said, I live in the South West - amongst the highest living costs in the country and the lowest wages (but I wouldn't swap that for anywhere else in the UK unless I was offered BIG wages). That means I can't afford to join the forum elite who can throw money at cars without a second thought :wink:
But mostly the thread was put up because Asker and I often have a chat about how boring the forum is on a Saturday and so we look for ways of livening it up. Yesterday it worked a treat!!!
Never take anything I put on forums too seriously, I've suffered years of forum car bores arguing about things that are pretty irrelevant (rolling road figures immediately spring to mind!), so I like to put up a bit of light hearted stuff once in a while to encourage a bit of banter.
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I have seen that done on another forum. Just trying to remember were now.
It's linked in the xenon thread somewhere I'll go take a look for it.
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Here it is, do this:
http://www.google.co.uk/m/url?client=safari&ei=wl0HTui2Go2F8AO35tn9Aw&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DJjizyvRyGj8&ved=0CBwQtwIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNHCCq7BJylXuf5B78NUH4MMpKkSDg
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
I'm going to reply to this in bold as it makes me look self important! :grin:
Lots and lots of stuff that would take up too much space if Dubber36 included it all in this quote
I get all that and in fact have retro fitted xenons into my B5.5 Passat, but this car has projector lights as standard. VW could have made it easier for us by fitting projector lights from the off. But then I guess less people would order factory xenons.
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
I'm going to reply to this in bold as it makes me look self important! :grin:
Lots and lots of stuff that would take up too much space if Dubber36 included it all in this quote
I get all that and in fact have retro fitted xenons into my B5.5 Passat, but this car has projector lights as standard. VW could have made it easier for us by fitting projector lights from the off. But then I guess less people would order factory xenons.
Tell me more about projector headlights! My wifes Passat has them and I think the light is cr@p, do I need to put in special bulbs?
Jim
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Projector lights just use glass to throw the light, rather than a reflective plate found on most lights.
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
I'm going to reply to this in bold as it makes me look self important! :grin:
Lots and lots of stuff that would take up too much space if Dubber36 included it all in this quote
I get all that and in fact have retro fitted xenons into my B5.5 Passat, but this car has projector lights as standard. VW could have made it easier for us by fitting projector lights from the off. But then I guess less people would order factory xenons.
Tell me more about projector headlights! My wifes Passat has them and I think the light is cr@p, do I need to put in special bulbs?
Jim
You can put aftermarket xenon's straight in :wink:
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
I'm going to reply to this in bold as it makes me look self important! :grin:
Lots and lots of stuff that would take up too much space if Dubber36 included it all in this quote
I get all that and in fact have retro fitted xenons into my B5.5 Passat, but this car has projector lights as standard. VW could have made it easier for us by fitting projector lights from the off. But then I guess less people would order factory xenons.
Tell me more about projector headlights! My wifes Passat has them and I think the light is cr@p, do I need to put in special bulbs?
Jim
You can put aftermarket xenon's straight in :wink:
How do I do that Doc? Is it a big job? Big money etc?
Cheers,
Jim
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Jim, if you are refering to your Passat, then it is a very simple job and the difference is literally night and day.
There are lots of aftermarket HID kits on the market which consist of replacement burners (bulbs) at ballast units to step up the voltage. They are simply plug and play, although with the Passat you will need to remove the front bumper and headlights to gain decent access. This is not as daunting as it sounds. I have got the job done to under an hour now.
Kits vary from ebay £30 ones, up to decent kits with digital ballasts for around £100.
I would not recommend fitting them into the standard Golf reflector headlights though. The light is not as focused as the Passats projectors and the stray light is likely to cause dazzling.
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I put together my xenons for under £1k,
Is it just me that finds spending a grand on a pair of headlights obscene?
Wheels and tyres I can go along with, but headlights?
I'm going to reply to this in bold as it makes me look self important! :grin:
Lots and lots of stuff that would take up too much space if Dubber36 included it all in this quote
I get all that and in fact have retro fitted xenons into my B5.5 Passat, but this car has projector lights as standard. VW could have made it easier for us by fitting projector lights from the off. But then I guess less people would order factory xenons.
I wasn't singling you out Simon BTW, it's just that your post embodied the sort of thing any one sane would say/think/post so was the prime example.
Retro fit of projector lenses in normal lamps sounds good though, as long as it's simple. Then all would be required to do would be to whip them out upon dealer and MOT visits and shove in your old standard lights.
I still reckon I'll end up going retro fit factory xenon or more likely nothing at all.