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General => General discussion => Topic started by: golfgti20 on 16 June 2011, 16:24
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i am looking at getting a seat leon mk1 tdi its got a golf chassis so i can post lol what engine bhp would be using the pd engine as i belive the pd engines are better could some one help
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i am looking at getting a seat leon mk1 tdi its got a golf chassis so i can post lol what engine bhp would be using the pd engine as i belive the pd engines are better could some one help
The PD engines are either 130bhp or 150bhp, both will remap well and will provide you with buckets of torque as well. I'd go for a 150 if you can find a decent one :wink:
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and the 115bhp
All easily identifiable by a 6 speed gearbox :nerd:
Get the 130; they suffer less problems with their camshafts than the 150
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and the 115bhp
All easily identifiable by a 6 speed gearbox :nerd:
Get the 130; they suffer less problems with their camshafts than the 150
The derv master has spoken :grin:
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and the 115bhp
All easily identifiable by a 6 speed gearbox :nerd:
Get the 130; they suffer less problems with their camshafts than the 150
The derv master has spoken :grin:
Lol although it looks like the Leon only came with the 110 non PD engine and the 130 and 150 PD engines
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/seat/leon-hatchback-2000.aspx?page=7
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As Rhyso said get the 130bhp
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and the 115bhp
All easily identifiable by a 6 speed gearbox :nerd:
Get the 130; they suffer less problems with their camshafts than the 150
The derv master has spoken :grin:
Lol although it looks like the Leon only came with the 110 non PD engine and the 130 and 150 PD engines
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/seat/leon-hatchback-2000.aspx?page=7
So I was right about part of it? :smug: :grin:
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As Rhyso said get the 130bhp
So i'm assuming the same applies with the golf then?
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As Rhyso said get the 130bhp
So i'm assuming the same applies with the golf then?
Yep 130 from what I have read is the better choice. :smiley:
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As Rhyso said get the 130bhp
So i'm assuming the same applies with the golf then?
Exactly the same engine :wink:
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i was just thinking about this,
im trying to get a bora, are they the same in PD engines to only the 130 and 150?
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i was just thinking about this,
im trying to get a bora, are they the same in PD engines to only the 130 and 150?
Bora has the 115bhp too :afro:
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So why did the 150 have more problems than the 130?
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So why did the 150 have more problems than the 130?
Lots of theories ranging from incorrect oil to a batch of cam followers to purely the fact the 150 was running more power
There's no hard and fast rule for the cam failure :undecided: 130's do suffer from it but its not as widely known as the 150
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So was it bad tappets causing the cam failure?
How did the cams fail?
I'm asking as i might be interested in getting a Bora tdi.
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So was it bad tappets causing the cam failure?
How did the cams fail?
They seem to go round on the lobes
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Ok so the lobes became damaged, caused by faulty tappets?
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Some pics here
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=140425.0
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Mine
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/kryptik_2010/golf/14012010123.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/kryptik_2010/golf/14012010140.jpg)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb74/kryptik_2010/golf/14012010125.jpg)
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to late :rolleyes:
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to late :rolleyes:
Running that standard map innit :tongue:
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Ouch :evil:
So am i safe looking at pd 130's then?
Is there a cure? i take it the tappets have been modified?
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Ouch :evil:
So am i safe looking at pd 130's then?
Is there a cure? i take it the tappets have been modified?
You're safer and yes they have been revised :smiley:
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So if i wanted either engine, should i budget for a new set of followers then?
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So if i wanted either engine, should i budget for a new set of followers then?
I would, just to be on the safe side. Although on mine it was the turbo that went first :grin: :grin:
It really is a lottery with regards to this issue but I know of more 150 engines suffering. Another mate of mine had his fail a couple of months ago :cry:
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What are the symptoms? erratic idle? loss of power?
I take it, its an expensive fix!
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Friend of nine at work has a bora PD150 , his cam went and it cost him about £1800thats with a turbo because that failed too :huh:. only 80-90k on the clock thou, full FSH. he was well pissed
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What are the symptoms? erratic idle? loss of power?
I take it, its an expensive fix!
As per Steve's thread
Symptoms where clicking sound after 2k rpm, white smoke on start up, excessive black smoke when driving and power surging. You could also hear the turbo stuttering
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Mine cost £850, £600 in parts rest in labour
If you use a genuine camshaft it will cost over £800 in parts :lipsrsealed: some people say you should change the injector rocker arms which pushes the bill to over £1200
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I thought diesels were reliable :grin:
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they are if they aren't vw :lipsrsealed:
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I still think the 150 is the one to go for, having recently changed my cams and tappets. Its faster and better specced basically! It hangs onto the power better than the 130 through the rev range too.
Corin, there's nothing wrong with the cams as such, its the tappets that are too soft and become dished, causing the cam to wear unevenly. Makes no odds really as it all needs changing if wear is present :sick:
Something to look out for when buying a pd is the type of servicing its had, i would avoid ones that have had the longlife services by vw! Mine (150) had normal intervals, is on 120k and the tappets weren't that bad, wear was evident on the outer ones but a long way off failing like Steve's did in the pictures. Being a tinkerer I had to change the bits anyway :laugh:
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so if i get a pd i need to make sure its had alot of oil changes or am i better of getting one of the lower bhp engines for reliblity
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I still think the 150 is the one to go for, having recently changed my cams and tappets. Its faster and better specced basically! It hangs onto the power better than the 130 through the rev range too.
Corin, there's nothing wrong with the cams as such, its the tappets that are too soft and become dished, causing the cam to wear unevenly. Makes no odds really as it all needs changing if wear is present :sick:
Something to look out for when buying a pd is the type of servicing its had, i would avoid ones that have had the longlife services by vw! Mine (150) had normal intervals, is on 120k and the tappets weren't that bad, wear was evident on the outer ones but a long way off failing like Steve's did in the pictures. Being a tinkerer I had to change the bits anyway :laugh:
Cheers Mark. I take it you got a golf not a bora.
I have a 2007 sharan pd 115, does this suffer from problems as well, its on long life service.
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Not sure, but longlife servicing is a bad idea anyway!
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It is on long life service, its only done 25k miles. It doesn't get a lot of miles put on it.
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is it only the pd engines that suffer with the cams or is it just the vw engine in general