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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Toopay_MkIII_GT on 01 June 2011, 20:03
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i own a mk3 8v anni. i know it is a bad gti, isnt a bad car, just a poor excuse for a gti. i dont think it deserves the gti badge. so i thought, u cant really call it a "hothatch" can u? more of a "lukewarm hatch". im lucky i dont get many boy racers try and race my anywhere, as im sure id end up being embarrassed :embarassed:
so i thought id ask for your experiences, what other hot hatches have u seen off or come off better against? lets regain a bit of honor for the faithful 8v's!
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I never had any trouble with my 8v, not that I made a habit of racing boy racers, but the ones that tried it on were left for dust. It was only the people with 'proper cars' that were quicker, but then again I beat those too as grown ups dont race so much :grin:
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i own a mk3 8v anni. i know it is a bad gti, isnt a bad car, just a poor excuse for a gti. i dont think it deserves the gti badge. so i thought, u cant really call it a "hothatch" can u? more of a "lukewarm hatch". im lucky i dont get many boy racers try and race my anywhere, as im sure id end up being embarrassed :embarassed:
so i thought id ask for your experiences, what other hot hatches have u seen off or come off better against? lets regain a bit of honor for the faithful 8v's!
Yours must be pretty knackered then as I never have a problem with pretty much anything off the mark ive even shocked a few valver owners.
But it isnt always the car usually its down to the driver who makes a wrong change of gear at the wrong time who loses.
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In the 8v...where do i start.. i witnessed an 8v get destroyed by a VTR.. :grin: :grin: but then i also witness said 8v destroy a 2.0 16v prelude
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In the 8v...where do i start.. i witnessed an 8v get destroyed by a VTR.. :grin: :grin: but then i also witness said 8v destroy a 2.0 16v prelude
Well where I live I can beat most modded cars I just take them over mile of speed bumps and most of the idiot virtually have to stop to go over them lol :grin: :grin: :grin:
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In the 8v...where do i start.. i witnessed an 8v get destroyed by a VTR.. :grin: :grin: but then i also witness said 8v destroy a 2.0 16v prelude
Well where I live I can beat most modded cars I just take them over mile of speed bumps and most of the idiot virtually have to stop to go over them lol :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Nothing wrong with an 8v, people buy them for various reasons insurance etc.
Given the choice however a 16v is the better all round choice, VR is nice but rising fuel costs are really hurting them now.
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I bought a 8v for a trackcar........... I wish I hadn't.
On the plus side though I'm swapping the engine for a 16v :grin:
The 8v is not a performance car by any means. What it does it does well, but speed is not in its job discretion so any one thinking they have a fast 8v needs to wake up.
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I use my 8v as my daily runner to work which is mostly motorways and I'm more than happy with it. Good sturdy engine.
With the price of fuel I'm always watching my mpg now, not interested in thrashing it anymore.
Prob because I'm getting old and boring! :sad:
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Slow and steady wins the race.
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on in fairy tales :)
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I think your right, it was universally panned when it came out and it was only the 16v and vr6 that saved face for VW but i love mine to bits, its fast enough, it looks great and when it breaks i can fix it for peanuts, i won't be changing it anytime soon.
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I was more than happy with my 8v, but also under no illusions that its a rocketship in disguise :grin: for what it is though its very good
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I loved mine and was plenty fast enough to bring a smile to the face! I'll have another at some point! Id say its a warm hatch :laugh:
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I loved mine and was plenty fast enough to bring a smile to the face! I'll have another at some point! Id say its a warm hatch :laugh:
It is indeed "warm". The only way you'd be disappointed with an 8vGTI was if you didn't have a clue or didn't do a little research before buying one. I'm not a "spirited" driver anyway, if I was I would have bought my 8v! The good thing about the AGG engine is that it offers a balance of performance/fuel economy and longevity. They are pretty strong wee lumps that will run forever if looked after.
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Ive not had mine long, got it for bargain. so easy to work on and parts are cheap. 8v lives on.
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Personally I think the 8v deserves its Gti badge after all it was the original Gti engine that gave the mk1 its status as the best hot hatch of its time.Lets not forget aswell how old these cars are now most are over 15 years old and have well over 100k on them so for what they are there good.My own 8v isnt fast but its not slow either will run with most modern day cars and it puts a smile on my face when I drive it but I dont expect the world from 115bhp and if we are all honest the whole Golf range isnt exactly rapid is it..
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I love the 8v's robustness of engine. Dont like the weak gearbox though... :sad:. As for the speed debate, I struggled to keep up with a mk4 polo (not sure which model, probs a 1.0 :grin:)
I also got beat off the lights by a clio.
However I recently had a burn up with a 16v and seemed to have no trouble keeping up with him/her. :lipsrsealed:
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I love my 8v to bits. Will never sell it! heated leather, aircon, easy to drive around town.
And when I want to drive fast I put the 8v in the garage and take the vr6 out :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I have had plenty of seriously fast cars but I keep getting drawn back the the 8v gti as I love all the things you can do to them. Love the low stance when slammed but I would never think of it as a fast car as it isn't I bought it as they just look foooookin awsum with nice rims and low.
But also with coilys they can see off a lot of cars on corners so where as boyracers have to break into corners I can just get the right line and make them look silly lol.
Love my 8v and wouldn't change it for 16v or VR.
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I just find them practical, there not a race car... you can go Danny Monday low and they can look really nice. Thing with the VeeDubs are that they are interchangable and not too costly.. bang a 1.8T in and then a Vento front end..you've got options and that's what i like about all golfs!
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I just find them practical, there not a race car... you can go Danny Monday low and they can look really nice. Thing with the VeeDubs are that they are interchangable and not too costly.. bang a 1.8T in and then a Vento front end..you've got options and that's what i like about all golfs!
Spot on!
I don't think they even handle that well. The jap cars win hands down for performance, but they have no style.
Me and my mates say Jap for go, vw for show.
I mean lets be honest here guys the Japanese are cleaver, look at the Nissan GTR it's faster than Lamborghini and Ferrari. But the VAG styling is better than the rest.
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Japs are fine if you like plastic interiors and ridiculous bodykits. I prefer comfort and style :afro:
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Japs are fine if you like plastic interiors and ridiculous bodykits. I prefer comfort and style :afro:
That's what I mean A evo 5 interior is no better than a saxo lol
All vw's win for build quality and attention to detail.
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Germans still lead the way best range of cars out there styling and performance.
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Germans still lead the way best range of cars out there styling and performance.
I am VW through and through.
But for £ for £ jap performance will be better.
For £60,000 you can get the Nissan GTR. Find a vag that will beat that around track for £60,000. Not even a Audi R8 can and there £110,000.
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If I had 60k burning a hole in my pocket I would buy a Porsche 997 turbo or as you mentioned a Audi R8 ok your nissan is a few seconds quicker than the 997 round a track agreed but would rather a porsche over a nissan any day if im honest..
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Mk3 Golf was panned by an ill informed bunch of twits, shame most people repeat what Top gear or the sun say Verbatim.
I have had enough cars from all over to know a good car and the Mk3 is one of VW's best models.
Apart from being a bit rusty in later life you cant fault them.
The 8v is a rock solid engine with good balanced figures, and in the right hands is more than capable of holding its own amongst is peers.
You can argue all night about VR's, Valvers and the 8v, but if you have a tiny thingy none of them will be the extension you require.
I will go so far as to say that the Mk3 is the best Golf up to the Mk5, and ive had enough Mk1/2 to qualify that imo, Mk4's look good but I am reliably informed to save for a Mk5 as my next golf.
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All golfs up to the mk5 have always been compared to the original mk1 which was from another time in automotive terms, if you compare the number of solid looking mk3's to it's competitors you'll be hard pushed to find more than a handful of decent examples whereas i seem to pass at least one tidy looking mk3 gti/vr every day and usually quite a few.
The mk3 was designed to be a logical step from the mk2 which had hardly any real safety features or equipment, so when the mk3 turned up with electric everything and airbags etc it was bound to be heavier and chunkier than the mk2 but yet again it was compared to the mk1 which was unfair.
The mk3 gti in all it's forms has always been a quality product with a good image and i'm going to stick my neck out here and say that i read a lot of posts about mechanical woes from 16V/VR6 owners but precious few from 8V owners.
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All golfs up to the mk5 have always been compared to the original mk1 which was from another time in automotive terms, if you compare the number of solid looking mk3's to it's competitors you'll be hard pushed to find more than a handful of decent examples whereas i seem to pass at least one tidy looking mk3 gti/vr every day and usually quite a few.
The mk3 was designed to be a logical step from the mk2 which had hardly any real safety features or equipment, so when the mk3 turned up with electric everything and airbags etc it was bound to be heavier and chunkier than the mk2 but yet again it was compared to the mk1 which was unfair.
The mk3 gti in all it's forms has always been a quality product with a good image and i'm going to stick my neck out here and say that i read a lot of posts about mechanical woes from 16V/VR6 owners but precious few from 8V owners.
I would say that 16v and VR'S get spanked on a more regular basis thus need more work.
Also have more moving parts.
most of this generation of engines are pretty solid though.
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The mk3 gti in all it's forms has always been a quality product with a good image and i'm going to stick my neck out here and say that i read a lot of posts about mechanical woes from 16V/VR6 owners but precious few from 8V owners.
All the engines have common problems but they are all seriously reliable when it comes to it.
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All golfs up to the mk5 have always been compared to the original mk1 which was from another time in automotive terms, if you compare the number of solid looking mk3's to it's competitors you'll be hard pushed to find more than a handful of decent examples whereas i seem to pass at least one tidy looking mk3 gti/vr every day and usually quite a few.
The mk3 was designed to be a logical step from the mk2 which had hardly any real safety features or equipment, so when the mk3 turned up with electric everything and airbags etc it was bound to be heavier and chunkier than the mk2 but yet again it was compared to the mk1 which was unfair.
The mk3 gti in all it's forms has always been a quality product with a good image and i'm going to stick my neck out here and say that i read a lot of posts about mechanical woes from 16V/VR6 owners but precious few from 8V owners.
Fair point
I would say that 16v and VR'S get spanked on a more regular basis thus need more work.
Also have more moving parts.
most of this generation of engines are pretty solid though.
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"Me and my mates say Jap for go, vw for show."
My brother in law has a honda accord cdti estate thats been chipped and it goes like a rocket.
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16v is quicker than a std 2.2 cdi one of these...best mate has one and golf is quicker
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Repost of something here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrU9xI8d8DI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrU9xI8d8DI)
Skip to 1:51
Should shut up some of the 8v owners :tongue: :tongue:
ONly kidding each to their own, and the golf is a far better all round car than a corolla
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1.6 :grin:
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i agree with alot of the points here. i have been a dub person for a very long time. i had a polo gt coupe befor getting the golf gti. i knew very well about the golf performance when buying it, so i knew i wasnt geting a rocket ship. and i can happily take a couple hour dive on some twisties and be suprised how nicly it zips along. my friend has a 08 astra sri with 140 brake, my golf can keeps pace with it. now dont take that wrong way, im not sayin for a moment my golf is faster coz its not. but its holds it own. and my golf would be far happier than the astra going round the twisties. i still belive that vw did wrong putting the gti badge on the 8v. 16v should of been the only gti. my dad had a passat with the same 2.0 engine as my gti, im guessing that cos its good reliable, solid work horse of a engine, fair point. but to put that engine in the golf slap a gti badge on it ppl are going to expect more, im sorry but they are. in the early 90's vw made the gti name stand for the flagship model in terms of safety features and how much tech they could fit in a reasonably priced car. not speed. that fair enough, but that completely re branding the name, should have just made it a GLor the SE. everyone would sing its prases then. i love the golf for being the better car in terms of build quality to its rivals and the golf does alot of thing well and is class leader. but when they but a badge on the car that everyone associates with "hothatch" dont just settle with new satey features and forget the reason why ppll are going to buy a gti over the model down.
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I have recently purchased my mk3 8v it cost me £300 with t & t and i absolutely love it ! I bought it at the local auctions to use for a week and then sell on ..................... that was 6 weeks ago since then fitted alloys , quads , fogs , lowered it and all has cost me virtually nothing ! I have owned alot of cars since passing my test (approx 50 ish) i have all sorts , ranging from old to new from mk1 escort mexicos , mk2 1600 sports , rs turbo x4 , sierra cosworth x3 capri 2.8i specials , vectra sri and gsi , xr2 and xr2i , porsche 944 and 944s2 , alfa 156 , jaguar s type , jaguar x type , astra gte mk1 and 2 , escort vans , peugeot gti 1.6 & 1.9 and 405 mi16 , mini 1275 gt , a gti mk2 8v & 16v and sooooooo many more even a kia rio estate :embarassed: all these and more in only 20 years of driving , and therefore i think that having owned such a varied spectrum of cars that based on my own experiences and knowledge that the following statements are true
pound for pound the mk3 8v is quite possibly the most fun youll get for virtually no money , to modify them costs peanuts to repair them costs the same to run and insure them is also cheap and they are really quite good looking motors in any guise !!
If its speed you want for your money then dont look at the £100k audis and dont look at the £60k jap nor even at the porsche range because quite simply the best bhp for your money will come from fords sierra cosworth , they can be modified to astronomical levels and leave pretty much anything at the lights , and trust me having been in some seriously modded versions like the famous desert storm cossie built by turbosystems (google it) i know this to be true ! BUT AT WHAT COST ???? they are group 20 to insure , if the engine goes bang its a couple of grand , you cant leave it anywhere for fear of them being stolen , every muppet in the world wants to race you at the lights just to see if its a real one and your wages will never be your own :cry:
so in summary go buy an 8v golf gti great to look at , fun to drive , can out perform alot on the roads even with 115bhp cus 9 times outta 10 its down to the driver , and they cost the same as a cheap 42" tv and can be modded to virtually any spec for a similar price !!!! WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU BUY ANYTHING ELSE ????? :grin:
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I agree with all of that, i cut my teeth on the old rover v8 engine which was kid of the same thing , cheap reliable fun and i'm seeing an awful lot of very tidy 8v's tooling around at the moment.
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I was playing with a mk6 2.0 tdi golf i belive to be a 140bhp model and if i got in front of him he couldnt get past me and the other way round if he was in front of me best thing was when we came long side one another at the traffic lights and he put the window down the lad then said nice golf mate is it a 16v or a VR of course I replied no mate its only a 8v at which point his 2 co-pilots started laughing at him saying you got done by a 8v :grin: made me laugh :grin:
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I bought a mk3 for the looks, if like most of u say want speed then go else were! I think the most important thing with a mk3 8v is that you know it's slow, BUT who cares! Thats why we all put so much effort and detail on making it look good! It's a crusier the sooner you acknowledge the fact the happier you will be with ur 8v!
My 8v is my 1st 2.0 engine car I've owned. It's still got poke over all the other cars I've owned n the high gearing gives it the pull. I've raced a few 16v and through the twisty roads the 8v has been just as good. The 16v lump weights alot and doesn't give it much advantage (if any) through the countryside but hit open road and that's when u wish u bough a 16v! Lol!
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I love my 8v. Other point not mentioned here (that I could see) is that the engines are simple to work on and the car is easy to maintain - unlike newer models with complicated variable valves, turbos, etc, and that have to have the engine out for virtually any job. (I exaggerate a bit I know).
J
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I love my lukewarm hatch, its also my first 2.0l car, had a corsa 1.4 16v before this. When I finally get to subtle mods, will def be low and slow
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My 8v is the slowest car I've ever had!!! but thats why I bought it lol
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Someone mentioned the 8v is called a GT in some countries, and GTI is reserved for the 16v.
Makes sense.
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If you compare it to a lot of more modern stuff with a 'GTi' badge one, the 8v deserves its badge now more than ever.
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bought myself a mk3 8v recently, and just how much fun can you have for £500 :evil:. love her. top end speed is nothing to write home about, but on the windy lanes round here she has a nice little bit of power when you want it, and been round a few bends i was worried about not making and came out the other end wondering how the hell it got round there so easily.
my missus has got an eos, i can't get her out of my GTI
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My brother summed it up to me, he is on his 4th gti, the first being the mk3 i now own and he says it's because they just "feel right"..nuff said.
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well iv had all 3
my 8v was faster than the 16v
so on that one, im gonna say the 16v is nothing to shout about either
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Someone mentioned the 8v is called a GT in some countries, and GTI is reserved for the 16v.
Makes sense.
Its a 4 stud and is a 1.6/1.8
I spent a lunchbreak in Germany with the local VAG crew and had a good look at a GT Model.
Only similarity is that they all rust the same.
Oh and Germans prefer the VR engines to any in the golf range, but they lost the war so who cares :grin:
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Well the VR is the fastest and the Germans do like to drive fast.