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Title: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 28 May 2011, 14:19
I urgently need the geometry settings for a 97 16v as my the local monkey house is attempting to mug me off after leaving my car their this morning.

For starters they're trying to tell me it doesn't have camber adjustment....cnuts!
 
 :angry:

Cheers
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed.
Post by: javalin on 28 May 2011, 17:19
oh yes it does - on the front at least!!  Take it somewhere else.

(http://javalins.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/vw_tracking_picture.jpg)

this is mine recently - 97 GTI 8v - any help?
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 28 May 2011, 20:13
Well that was a eventful and extremely frustrating day wasted due to the useless twits at Formula 1 in Maidstone. Ive always endeavored to avoid such automotive disater zones such as this from working in the industry several years ago and from hearing other peoples horror stories but thought id take a punt on these after learning from alignmycar.com that they had a Hunter alignment system which are regarded as one of the best around.
I rang them up yesterday for a quote and was told that a full check and front alignment / adjustment would cost £47.50 plus i could take off another 5% when using the voucher they had on their website. No appointment was needed and id simply be able to drop the car off whenever which coincidentally was literally a 3 minute drive from my home so as to receive a virtually instant service and was told it'd take around 45minutes to complete the work Id requested ie. camber, castor and toe.
When i got there this morning I was initially shocked at the illiterate thug hurling abuse across the counter to co-workers infront of a shop full of waiting customers, this straight away got me thinking whether id chose the right place to bring my car...
Anyway i told the same guy what I needed doing and re-agreed the price which was exactly what id been told the day previously, on this i was then told my car wouldn't even be looked at for at least another 1hr 30mins but left it there anyway as it was so local.

Almost 3hours passed and i had a phone call from Formula 1 to say my car was ready for collection so I asked what work had been carried out and if there had been any problems or issues i should have been made aware of to told that they'd corrected my toe angles and nothing else due to fact they claimed that the camber couldn't be adjusted which is utter nuts due to the fact i personally fitted the suspension recently so know that all bolts are free and that camber is simply changed by pulling the wheel in or out on the strut bolts.
Alarm bells now started to ring in my head as it was quite clear that i was dealing with incompetence and asked what they were expecting from me in payment as there was no way i was willing to pay over £40 for the tracking alone, on this note i was then told that the mechanic would 'have another go at it!'' but this would cost me an additional £30 per side to attempt to correct the camber!!
On this bombshell I was furious and knew i should have stuck to my instincts and said id be up to collect my car immediately and told them not to touch it any more. When I arrived there i couldn't believe the rude, aggressive and flippant behaviour from what was supposedly the branch manager. Obviously there was no way that i was going to part with my cash and from looking at the abortion that was my alignment before and after print out it was quite clear that they'd also made my car worse than when it was delivered there earlier!!! 
 :angry: :angry: :angry:

At this point i was forced to swipe my car keys from the counter and walk out of the office absolutely livid for letting these idiots near my car. On driving out of there it was immediately obvious that they'd not known what they were doing as the steering was now pulling heavily to the left and the steering wheel would not centre regardless of how i pulled it.

A phone call was then made to Elite in Essex to see if they could resolve the shambles of work that had been created and luckily they were able to so headed up there straight away to what i can only describe as true customer service haven. Both of these companies quite literally couldn't be any further apart in the stakes of dealing with people and their needs.
I showed the very friendly and helpful guys at Elite the print outs and they were truly shocked that what they were seeing was classed as 'finished work' to a customers vehicle.
Needless to say they dealt with sorting my car out quickly and efficiently and i wouldn't hesitate to drive back up there when needed, it may be 30 miles and through the Dartford tunnel away but it was so worth the extra effort for piece of mind.

I FVCKING HATE FORMULA 1 MORE THAN EVER NOW!


Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed.
Post by: Wayne on 28 May 2011, 20:16
If I had know you were in Kent I would have said to use elite, they really know whats what.

Glad you got it sorted in the end.
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: javalin on 28 May 2011, 21:44
good end result.  Yeah - stay away from the muppets - and far too many arround.
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: Luke1981 on 28 May 2011, 22:57
We should start a thread about cowboy garages and our own personal experiences.

I noticed a blowing noise from my exhaust about 1 month ago and I took it to national types in altrincham, cheshire to get it on the ramp for a look. Some geezer took one look and said it needed an entire exhaust system apart from the cat and wanted 300 quid. I took it to another garage for a second opinion and was told it just needed a new clamp on the middle section and charged me 15 quid, job done and sorted.

I was fcuking livid because how many people get second opinions and would have just paid it.

Never in a month of Sundays will I use national tyres for anything.

My rant over, who's next?
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 28 May 2011, 23:39
These are my before and after results from Elite in Essex.


Before (but after leaving Formula 1 when told they'd corrected it) Note: These results were totally different to the ones they printed out for me which were still miles out regardless of excuses.

(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa321/thai-wronghorse/001.jpg?t=1306622244)


After

(http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa321/thai-wronghorse/002.jpg?t=1306622244)

Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: P6UL K on 30 May 2011, 09:35
Elite for this sort of job FTW, EVERYTIME!  :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: LowlifeDubber on 30 May 2011, 10:38
Just out of interest,how do they adjust the castor on the front?
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: thai-wronghorse on 30 May 2011, 11:10
Apparently it's a case of shifting the subframe back or forth slightly. The measurements brought up on mine did raise my attention but Elite said they weren't to be worried about and were probably like they are down to the cars age and couldn't find any obvious damage or fatigue.
My car drives so much better now it's been set up correctly and really sticks to the roads on the bends now rather than screeching and under-steering.
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: tweed on 30 May 2011, 13:18
I would of punched him in the face!! True storey!
Title: Re: Full geometry settings needed & appalling garage service rant!
Post by: LowlifeDubber on 30 May 2011, 14:01
Apparently it's a case of shifting the subframe back or forth slightly. The measurements brought up on mine did raise my attention but Elite said they weren't to be worried about and were probably like they are down to the cars age and couldn't find any obvious damage or fatigue.
My car drives so much better now it's been set up correctly and really sticks to the roads on the bends now rather than screeching and under-steering.

Ahh right thats good to know.I will be getting mine done when it is back on the road as a first port of call as it seems to have more lock one way than the other.But then everything on the front end has been changed for new so it will need setting up.

I didnt know there was much travel in the subframes for adjustment if im honest so i will take note when the new one goes in during engine swap.
Cheers