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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: thatwillis on 22 May 2011, 21:12

Title: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 22 May 2011, 21:12
Long and the short is THE f**kING SPEED BUMP JUMPED UP AND HIT MY CAR! Grr atthe single speed bumps designed soley to attack my sump!

So my sump has cracked and i've been looking around at various options. A shallow sump seems to be the best option slightly further off the ground and with a steel bottom.

I just wondered whos using them? Are they hard to fit yourself?

And which one is the best to buy and from where?

I've been looking at the one on G werks.

http://g-werks.com/shop/product/ENGINE-SHALLOW/ (http://g-werks.com/shop/product/ENGINE-SHALLOW/)

Cheers
James
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: steve113 on 22 May 2011, 21:29
http://www.psituning.com/shop/product.php/132/1_8t_shallow_sump_petrol_
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: symsymma on 22 May 2011, 21:51
Looked into this meself a few months bk.and i decided less oil prob aint a good option after all theres that much oil and the standard sumps that size for a reason.
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: andc1 on 22 May 2011, 22:36
your better off with engine spacers, 15mm ahould be best
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 23 May 2011, 06:17
So not really rated then. Worth just getting a standard sump? Any ideas where i can buy one today for delivery tomorrow? Any ideas how much one from tps?

Thanks
James
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 23 May 2011, 11:48
I just spoke to gwerks to check stock and theres arnt baffeled it would make sence tho.

The psi one is the same as g werks no?

Anyore oppinions would be great.
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: houston on 23 May 2011, 13:56
lift the engine?
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: dantheman6554 on 23 May 2011, 14:34
TPS standard sump was around 85 quid when i got my last one,  pretty sure theres around 15 allen keyed bolts then trubo pick up pipe to take off, just put some sump sealer around the top then bang the new one back on,  oh and think theres two or three larger bolts,  bout an hours job id say ,,

Dan
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: Dave_IOW on 23 May 2011, 17:38
raising engine is a better bet i think.
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 23 May 2011, 19:52
lift the engine?
lift the engine?

How hard is it to do the engine spacers? I'm Guessing you need to do exactly that! With the engine on a hoist and change the spacers. But that can be left for another time once the sump is fixed.


Oh I was expecting people to rate the shallow sumps. I was quoted 92quid + vat at tps! Which is almost the same price as a shallow one!
Does anyone have a trade name i can use to get some discount =D

Welding up a sump? Worth doing any obvious problems with this? Someone at work could weld it up for me i think.

Thanks
James

Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 23 May 2011, 20:15
it will catch fire if you weld it, with the oil resdiue i would have thought...

if you do it please video it

Brake cleaner will get rid of all the oil  :smiley:

Ill see if i can do a vid.
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 23 May 2011, 20:23
hahaha Hmm yes that would be a royal pain in the arse and yeah a fire....  :laugh:
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: houston on 24 May 2011, 00:29
lift the engine?
lift the engine?

How hard is it to do the engine spacers? I'm Guessing you need to do exactly that! With the engine on a hoist and change the spacers. But that can be left for another time once the sump is fixed.


Oh I was expecting people to rate the shallow sumps. I was quoted 92quid + vat at tps! Which is almost the same price as a shallow one!
Does anyone have a trade name i can use to get some discount =D

Welding up a sump? Worth doing any obvious problems with this? Someone at work could weld it up for me i think.

Thanks
James



no need for a hoist, just use a jack on the sump but with a bit wood to spread the load.

arent the sumps aluminium? need to get them very hot for a weld to take if they are
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: dantheman6554 on 24 May 2011, 08:44
Hmmm welding sump on a car,  not good!   did that once on my corsa , caught fire and blew the rocker cover off due to the pressure!  not good !

I had my old sump Tigged, didnt do a bad job but really its never going to be strong enough against hitting a speed bump at 20 mph!

Dan
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: thatwillis on 24 May 2011, 10:05
Yeah its ali so fun to weld but to bad if the welder knoes what there doing. Yeah would be tigged. In a machine shop at the momment so shouldnt be to hard to find some one to weld it.

Ill have a look into engine spacers. That hard to fit yourself?
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: dantheman6554 on 24 May 2011, 10:22
Wish i had a video of it, i was doing an oil change on the car and noticed a hole in the sump, draiend out what i though was all the oil, stupidly started welding, the gas must have pressurized in the engine then when i ignited the torch, boom!!

Burnt all the sound proofing on the inside of the bonnet!   Lesson Learnt!

Dan  :smiley:
Title: Re: Shallow Sumpage?
Post by: GolfGTI8v on 24 May 2011, 11:03
I got a gwerks "shallow" sump on my agu,  Great product in my opinion, fitted really well and has a steel base to protect from any future impacts, came with a new modified pick up pipe. i had to get a different oil return from them as well as it sits at a different angle,  the engine still takes the same amount of oil as standard sump!

Thumbs up for it  :smiley: