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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Ant1981 on 22 May 2011, 17:40
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Taken from http://www.the-ace.org.uk/stricter-mot-test-from-2012.html
'Currently we do not have a list of illegal engine tuning parts in this country but the EC is looking at restrictions across the board, particularly as OEM are pressing against tuning of their ECU software, maintaining that it is their property, regardless of the vehicles sale.'
What do we think about this? Is there a real reason for restricitons, or is it simply another way of trying to control people?
Do you think the ECU and its software is owned by OEM after they've sold it to you? Consider that any modification is for your own use, it's not the modifying and distributing of their software.
If it's software specific, consider that there are no restrictions on people modifying licenced software that they own for their own use.
I don't recall any OEM giving me licence numbers and certificates on any software in a car with imposed restrictions, so I can't see how this can be justified.
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Can't see them stopping you from tuning/ chipping your ecu, I imagine from reading that cars that are affected by the tax emission laws that they'll tighten up on those cars and the tuning to them but if the emmisions are within the tolerated range your all sweet.
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My mate owns a garage and he told me about all the new restrictions that are meant to be coming into force, mainly about exhausts, as he had to fail mine for being too loud :rolleyes: At the moment its kind of at the garage discretion, a case of 'Is it louder than oem?' If you think it is then FAIL :sad:
However, in the next 18 months to 2 years, apparently they are bringing in decibel readers for exhausts anything louder than OEM on a chart :shocked: FAIL :cry: :cry: :cry:
Yet another jobs worth arsehole making up stupid fecking rules cos he has nothing better to do :angry:
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:laugh: :grin: Gotta love running standard - All new scene for 2013 . :tongue: :cool:
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are they trying to put exhaust manufactures out of business!
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next up, insurance companies linked to MOT failure sheets :shocked:
that way they can see your non declared modifications therefore invalidating your insurance :lipsrsealed:
:laugh:
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My mate owns a garage and he told me about all the new restrictions that are meant to be coming into force, mainly about exhausts, as he had to fail mine for being too loud :rolleyes: At the moment its kind of at the garage discretion, a case of 'Is it louder than oem?' If you think it is then FAIL :sad:
However, in the next 18 months to 2 years, apparently they are bringing in decibel readers for exhausts anything louder than OEM on a chart :shocked: FAIL :cry: :cry: :cry:
Yet another jobs worth arsehole making up stupid fecking rules cos he has nothing better to do :angry:
is that at idle or when booting it? :P
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They check it 3k revs i think he said
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If it's software specific, consider that there are no restrictions on people modifying licenced software that they own for their own use.
I don't recall any OEM giving me licence numbers and certificates on any software in a car with imposed restrictions, so I can't see how this can be justified.
ah, but its not YOU modfying the software, its a tuner who has accessed the software, modified it, and is now selling it to customers on a commercial basis.
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This is stupid. Why should there be a ban on exhausts? Why should there be a ban on software tuning? So long as it's not F1 loud and so long as the software is not dangerous then what's the big deal?
Looks like places like Rtech, exhaust shops and people running stuff like megasquirt are going to have to sell up...
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you have to draw the line somewhere with exhausts and seeing a pug106 with a 6" pipe hanging out its arse is definately that line! rediculously loud and pointless also.....yes i am getting old!
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people running stuff like megasquirt are going to have to sell up...
thats not the point, megasquirt etc is fine, because its standalone. the point the OEMs are putting accross is that tuners are accessing their software, recoding it, and then distributing it on a commercial basis without licencing etc.
Put it this way, if you hacked into windows, recoded it and made it work differently and then tried to SELL it commercially, then Microsoft would most likely kick off. The issue theyre making is software (engine map) based NOT hardware (megasquirt et al) based.
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you have to draw the line somewhere with exhausts and seeing a pug106 with a 6" pipe hanging out its arse is definately that line! rediculously loud and pointless also.....yes i am getting old!
(http://monchismen.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/lghr17100old-school-statler-and-waldorf-poster.jpeg)
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people running stuff like megasquirt are going to have to sell up...
thats not the point, megasquirt etc is fine, because its standalone. the point the OEMs are putting accross is that tuners are accessing their software, recoding it, and then distributing it on a commercial basis without licencing etc.
Put it this way, if you hacked into windows, recoded it and made it work differently and then tried to SELL it commercially, then Microsoft would most likely kick off. The issue theyre making is software (engine map) based NOT hardware (megasquirt et al) based.
Ahh understood :afro:
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Nothing wrong with standard. :smiley:
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standard is wank....
Why does my car need to be able to run on 92 ron fuel just because some other euro countries sell it! I'm never taking my car there so I should be allowed to set my engine for 98 ron only and enjoy some better performance :smiley:
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standard is wank....
Why does my car need to be able to run on 92 ron fuel just because some other euro countries sell it! I'm never taking my car there so I should be allowed to set my engine for 98 ron only and enjoy some better performance :smiley:
Yes it is if you own a mk3. :smiley:
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Exhaust wise it'll be the same issue, as decats, if your running a decat you just refit your cat for mot time, it'll be the same for your loud exhaust for example Ive got no cat and no mid box come mot time I'd refit them
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Exhaust wise it'll be the same issue, as decats, if your running a decat you just refit your cat for mot time, it'll be the same for your loud exhaust for example Ive got no cat and no mid box come mot time I'd refit them
I would have thought that with tightening up the MOT we could expect to see more roadworthyness inspections by the rozzers, which would put you in the brown stuff if you do this.
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Depends who nicks you your run about town cop wouldn't have the knowledge to do anything but a jobsworth traffic cop will rape your bottom.
Do you reckon they'll tighten up on motorbikes then? As most of them are stupidly loud,
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The average wasp in a bean can that hangs off the back off a corsa I would have thought even PC Plod would be able to tell is too loud. A lot of motorcyclists run un-Emarked race cans that have removable baffles, so I would hope so.
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Depends who nicks you your run about town cop wouldn't have the knowledge to do anything but a jobsworth traffic cop will rape your bottom.
Do you reckon they'll tighten up on motorbikes then? As most of them are stupidly loud,
Coming into force in the next 12 months or so for motorbikes matey, also, if the police suspect yr running an exhaust thats too loud they can fine you for running an 'unsuitable for road use' car, if you say it passed the MOT like that then I guess its a case of your word against the MOT centres word :embarassed: Think I know who the fuzz will be backing :huh:
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This is bulcrap I jus had my mid box removed :grin:
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Hopefully my jetex will be ok, it sounds pretty standard its only when you give it some and the turbo kicks in that it starts sounding like a rocket ship :grin:
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Seems it come to collecting tax rather than any issue regarding safety.
Anything that gets knobheads with stupid/dangerous "mod's" off the road is fine with me. When it comes down to tuning a car to your own preference safely and the government feels that they can butt their nose in they can F-off.
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They would be shooting themselfs in the foot! How much is spent a year on tuning products including exhaust modification. They will be putting hundreds if not thousands of them out of buisness thus loosing out on taxes. Why can't I see this happening? What happened to this 2011 remapping rules? Nothing according to my friendly mot tester :huh:
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Depends who nicks you your run about town cop wouldn't have the knowledge to do anything but a jobsworth traffic cop will rape your bottom.
Do you reckon they'll tighten up on motorbikes then? As most of them are stupidly loud,
I have an Art can on my bike, which yes it's loud at about 8000 rpm upwards, but some cars have stupidly loud exhausts at idle. I've always been a strong believer of loud pipes save lives on bikes (but that still didn't stop some drunken twit on a pushbike, riding out in front of me :angry: :cry: ), due to us being smaller in stance than a car.
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A storm in a teacup as usual.
MOT testers have had the power to fail a car deemed to be excessively noisey for donkeys' years. This isnt a new idea.
Our MOT chaps are yet to hear of most of the the nonsense quoted above.
Take a chill pill and stop worrying :rolleyes:
BTW when is the last time a rozzer asked for a producer based on you having no cat installed?
That said I dont have to worry, I work at a car spares/garage/mot test station :grin:
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A storm in a teacup as usual.
MOT testers have had the power to fail a car deemed to be excessively noisey for donkeys' years. This isnt a new idea.
Our MOT chaps are yet to hear of most of the the nonsense quoted above.
Take a chill pill and stop worrying :rolleyes:
BTW when is the last time a rozzer asked for a producer based on you having no cat installed?
That said I dont have to worry, I work at a car spares/garage/mot test station :grin:
they do stop checks sometimes, or vosa do or something
being in the country i haven't seen or heard of this happening to anyone..
ahh the good life
accept i can't find a job :grin:
stop checks usually involve drink driving/road tax/tyre condition checks from my experience.
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ah right fair enough!
every time i say something about decat in the mk4 section they keep saying about stopchecks :huh:
but like i said, i haven't a clue.
and your the mot tester guy after all :grin:
Not me! i just work with 3 testers and often help out like a trained monkey!
however being an MOT test station we have joe public often turn up with forms from the police suggesting they need said defects repaired and signed by a test station. Its mostly blown bulbs, never exhaust related.
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A storm in a teacup as usual.
MOT testers have had the power to fail a car deemed to be excessively noisey for donkeys' years. This isnt a new idea.
Our MOT chaps are yet to hear of most of the the nonsense quoted above.
Take a chill pill and stop worrying :rolleyes:
BTW when is the last time a rozzer asked for a producer based on you having no cat installed?
That said I dont have to worry, I work at a car spares/garage/mot test station :grin:
they do stop checks sometimes, or vosa do or something
being in the country i haven't seen or heard of this happening to anyone..
ahh the good life
accept i can't find a job :grin:
stop checks usually involve drink driving/road tax/tyre condition checks from my experience.
Most of the time yeah :smiley:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Roadside%20Emissions%20Check%20Leaflet%20.pdf
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Well I take this is for all cars or is it going to apply for cars after a certain year
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As long as it doesn't go across the board. I mean I'm not fussed about my exhaust but I know people with beetles that sound real good with there exhausts but is a lot louder than standard at about 4k
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I hope this never happens! My mk2 valver sounds awesome with her four branch manifold and one box system,it would be a crime to silence her :cry:
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I hope this never happens! My mk2 valver sounds awesome with her four branch manifold and one box system,it would be a crime to silence her :cry:
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What a load of horse sh!te :undecided:
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Nothing to do with me. :lipsrsealed:
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Speaking to the bloke who MOT'd my mk3 about this yesterday, he said unless the exhaust is stupidly loud or blowing/rusty/not secured properly it will be business as usual which is advise..pass...advise..pass etc.
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Dont know if anyone read or remembers reading in Practical performance car mag that they fitted a exauste bypass valve to the exauste on there turboed Bentley coz they said it was stupidley loud for day to day driving but sounded great on the strip would be some thing for exauste making people to take note of........ loud loud loud see copper or MOT man flick the switch and hear the birds tweeting :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Dont know if anyone read or remembers reading in Practical performance car mag that they fitted a exauste bypass valve to the exauste on there turboed Bentley coz they said it was stupidley loud for day to day driving but sounded great on the strip would be some thing for exauste making people to take note of........ loud loud loud see copper or MOT man flick the switch and hear the birds tweeting :grin: :grin: :grin:
Aston Martin, Ferrari's etc all run those valves as they are needed to pass noise regs, they open @ 4k revs
Most owners just pull the pipes off anyway :grin:
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standard is wank....
Many put this in my sig..... :grin:
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I thought about building something like this but if you can get a kit why bother.
http://www.dmhperformance.com/