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General => Detailing => Topic started by: LowlifeDubber on 20 May 2011, 21:50
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Ayup lads,ive just recieved my car back from the bodyshop after having a full respray and while im very happy with the paint work in general it seems during the final buffing there is a little hologramming going on.
Im fairly new to detailing but have a big list of gear ive accrued while it has been in paint.I dont want to use a da or rotary just yet but i would like to get rid of the hologramming by hand.
here is the list of stuff i have got.
2 spangly buckets with lids
1 grit guard
2 Meguiars lambswool wash mitts
1 Elite car care snow foam
4 Lakeland dimpled polish applicators.
10 Dodojuice fantastic fur microfibre cloths
2 Dodojuice Waffle weave cloths
2 Meguiars Terry towel cloths
Meguiars 205 ultra finish polish
Poor boys black hole
Poor boys bug and tar remover
Poor boys Quick Detailer plus
Poor boys spray and gloss
Poor boys bug squach
2 Dodo juice finger mitt
Dodo juice Supernatural wax
Autoglym Bumper care
Now would i be able to use the Meguiars 205 ultra finish polish by hand to remove the hologramming?
Also i have been doing some searching and ive read that it would be best to do it while the paint is still fresh(been baked and has been sprayed since monday) as it is easier to do now than later on.
Any advice would be great.
Heres some pics but you cant see it too much)
(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/5835/dscf7125.jpg)
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/143/dscf7122ds.jpg)
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3690/dscf7120f.jpg)
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/143/dscf7122ds.jpg)
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6817/dscf7115m.jpg)
Just so you know it is a bit of a pain for me to take it back as it is a fair way away and i would have to trailer it.So would rather sort it myself if poss.
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you need this polish in your life
http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/3M_Perfect_it_III_Ultrafina_SE_1.html#a3M50383 (http://www.i4detailing.co.uk/acatalog/3M_Perfect_it_III_Ultrafina_SE_1.html#a3M50383)
I am not 100% but i think you'd only get results with that using a machine polisher though
if you want to show the holograms take a picture of the affected panels into direct sunlight or a decent light source.. holograms and cobwebs will show up clearly then
a la...
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4815916435_8924e5d3f3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/guyfrankland/4815916435/)
MERCEDES 280 SLC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/guyfrankland/4815916435/) by Guy Frankland (http://www.flickr.com/people/guyfrankland/), on Flickr
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Ahh thats great Guy thanks.Im hoping i will be able to use it by hand.I will take some pics before work tomorrow if it is sunny.Ive got a new camera that i dont know how to use so hopefully i will get the settings right ha ha.
Are holograms fine scratches then?Do they just reflect the light differently making it appear like they jump out at you?The roof is reasonable,the sides are fine but the bonnet is the worse effected.
Thanks again Guy. :cool:
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Ahh thats great Guy thanks.Im hoping i will be able to use it by hand.I will take some pics before work tomorrow if it is sunny.Ive got a new camera that i dont know how to use so hopefully i will get the settings right ha ha.
Are holograms fine scratches then?Do they just reflect the light differently making it appear like they jump out at you?The roof is reasonable,the sides are fine but the bonnet is the worse effected.
Thanks again Guy. :cool:
these are holograms
(http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2700_ClubLexus001.jpg)
how long since your car was painted?
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Yeah mines just like that but i would say your pic is 70% worse than mine.
The shell finished baking monday and the other stuff like doors grill and side panels were finished by wednesday of this week. :smiley:
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machining it is the only way your going to get the refinement your after, 205 will be fine or as Guy has suggested the 3m ultrafina, you'll need a finishing or glazing pad for this.
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Oh crap!lol
Any ideas how much it will be for a pro to do it?I would just want the holograms removing,i can do the rest myself.
We have this company in Lincoln which are meant to be good but if it will be £200 id rather get the kit and do it myself. :sick:
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Oh crap!lol
Any ideas how much it will be for a pro to do it?I would just want the holograms removing,i can do the rest myself.
We have this company in Lincoln which are meant to be good but if it will be £200 id rather get the kit and do it myself. :sick:
get the kit yourself and do it... the sense of achievement will be ace :wink:
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Ok,but if i bugger it up you will be off my christmas card list! :grin:
Im currently in talks with a nice bloke on Edition(it's true some exist :laugh:)called Ashley and he might be selling me his old set up so i will see how i get on.
I have the old wing off the car so im guessing i would be better buggering that one up 1st :evil:
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I prefer poorboys white diamond on dark cars. Gives that extra metallic flake pop even on black i found. Also much more forgiving that black hole :smiley:
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only way to get rid of them is by machine, take it back demand it doing, a full repaint should come back mint, holograms are easy to get on black cars....i know this haha, gotta take your time when using the machine :cool:
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They arnt very bad tbh but i want it perfect.Im able to take it back but it means hiring a trailer again and then getting me old man in his 4.0 to tow it so it will cost £90 a trip!
The paint is perfect bar this holograming business so im not too fussed about sorting it myself,plus its a learning curve :nerd:
Just waiting for Ashley off Edition to get back to me about selling his old rotary.
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Ayup lads I may sound daft here but as the car was a bit loppy because of all the wind and rain i washed the car for the 1st time.
Dodojuice BTBM
Lambswool wash mitt
2 bucket method.
I only finished it an hour or so ago and ,well i cant seem to find these holograms now :huh:
I put it down to not being in direct sunlight so i got a big LED light out,then turned the halogen security light on it and i still cant find them.
Am i being stupidly optimistic in thinking they have gone?Or is it just a case of it not being under the right light?
Cheers :cool:
Gaz
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its usually being under the right light... like when people take pictures of their polishing results without being into a direct light source like the sun!
if they were holograms to begin with then they'll still be there
bit loppy - lol :grin:
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Ive just been out in the dark with my light again.....yeah your right,they are still there :embarassed:
Id have preferred you to be wrong though. :evil:
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Ive bottled it and got a pro in to do it :grin:
Ive got this guy http://www.deep-shine.co.uk/index.html to do me a full hologram removal on the whole car which he says will take 6 hours or so and it will be £100.
Is this ok?
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Too late he's already here :grin: Soon as he brings me the cd with the pics of the before and after i will post them up.Cant believe the bloody difference!
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Right this weekend has been all about detailing.
I was very happy with the spray job but there was a few buffer trails left from non perfect finishing with the mop.
After much deliberation i decided to get someone in to give it a tidy up as i was too much of a girl to attack it with a rotary.
Soooo i got in touch with Adi @ http://www.deep-shine.co.uk/ who it turns out lives a couple of streets away from me and as his missus was off out on the sunday he said he woulp pop round.
He said it would take around 6 hours to remove the hologramming and then i can finish it off with poorboys black hole jetseal 109 and then top it off with Dodojuice supernatural.
So i got up on a drizzly sunday @6am and gave it a wash and started taping it off for him.
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1213/img0335wa.jpg)
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/7337/img0331nd.jpg)
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7928/img0332yk.jpg)
(http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/6448/img0333z.jpg)
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4218/img0334e.jpg)
Adi came at 8am and checked the thickness of the pain which was very good apparently.Then got to work.
Heres a rough picture of the buffer trails
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/469/25855921269238210416810.jpg)
This is the tailgate after one pass with 3m ultrafina(it now looks even blackerer!)
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/917/25965521269279877079310.jpg)
This is the car fully corrected but with no protection.
(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8273/25927021269332877074010.jpg)
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7848/25703321269514210389210.jpg)
Time for me to get to work!
This is what t looked like after i stuck all my stuff on it.Got to wait 24 hours and wash with the tbm and give another coat of supernatural.
(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/5656/dscf7140k.jpg)
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6537/dscf7139w.jpg)
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8421/dscf7138.jpg)
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2259/dscf7137.jpg)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9426/dscf7136w.jpg)
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/2347/dscf7135h.jpg)
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8571/dscf7134.jpg)
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3264/dscf7133e.jpg)
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5049/dscf7132b.jpg)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4868/dscf7131q.jpg)
(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5742/dscf7130x.jpg)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4810/dscf7129l.jpg)
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3128/dscf7128w.jpg)
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6567/dscf7143.jpg)
(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7561/dscf7142g.jpg)
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6759/dscf7141.jpg)
I can't recommend Adi enough,have a look at his website he did me a good deal for the correction and i would definatley use him again!
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Bare in mind i havnt done the whels glass or trim in these pics as that is todays job.
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That looks awesome mate, your sig doesn't do it justice! :cool:
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Thanks Jimble,i appreciate it. :cool:
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Lovely car...... Thats a top job you've made of that. :smiley:
I'd love to see the original wheels on it though.
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It's only a Driver so i dont think steelies would cut it lol
Thanks though mate :)
soon as i find the wheels im after it will look better but trying to source them is a b!tch lol
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oh man that looks amazinggg!!..i love it! and i think you got a great price for that correction..also looks like i need to read into the 3m range of polishes..ive only used menzerna till now.
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Sh1t hot mate :cool:
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Thanks very much lads. :cool:
He used the 3m Ultrafina range.
http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/3m-perfect-it-iii-ultrafina-se-polish-50383.php
(http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/images/3M_50383.jpg)
He has put the full correction pics up on his facebook site if anyone is interested.He takes better pics than me ha ha.
I didnt have anything to go by price wise so im pleased somebody said that was a good price lol. :grin:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.213248288715244.55746.100000902240851
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oh man that looks amazinggg!!..i love it! and i think you got a great price for that correction..also looks like i need to read into the 3m range of polishes..ive only used menzerna till now.
3M are very good mate, we use 3M and menz as sometimes one product works better than the other on certain paints.
Fast cut+ is tip top mate
and then refine with ultrafina or 85RD(final finish)
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sorry to hijack your thread dubber, but what would you reccomend on VW paint S4twiggy? menz or 3m?
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That's no problem mate.Ive got my advice in this thread so feel free.
Im not clued up enough to give you advice though.Best let a grown up answer :grin:
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sorry to hijack your thread dubber, but what would you reccomend on VW paint S4twiggy? menz or 3m?
Judging by his results in this thread:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=196027.0
Menz does the job nicely! :cool: