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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Jimmymature on 10 May 2011, 20:34
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Hi gents, with GTI international getting closer and the inevatible discount people will be doing I have a choice to make. I either go for
Option 1 - VWR Stage 1 - £1,600
- 250hp ECU Mod (REVO Code)
- VWR Rear Exhaust
- VWR Panel Filter
Option 2 - REVO Plus others - £1,230
- REVO Stage 1 including the Switch
- Milltek Cat-Back Exhaust
- ITG Pro Filter
Now on paper I think just on cost alone most would give it to the REVO set up, however with the VWR kit you get a warranty and my VW dealer has advised they don't have any issues with upgrades carried out by VWR.
So, over to your expert views, even if you're not an expert your views are still appreciated.
Jim
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Jim
The warranty aspect of the VWR is important although I am partial to a Milltek so it was close fought.
I'm mpg sure if it is such a discernible difference so I might bs tempted to go for the best overall package of price / performance / warranty.
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Option 2 + a sports cat as that will really free up the mid-range
Job done
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I voted for VWr for warrenty reasons , but if you want to save money go Blufin hand held unit !! Or even better ask Doc to do it for ya !! :cool:
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Sorry to rain on this parade, but it is all pretty
pointless and a complete waste of money unless you can use it on a track at least once a week.
Emulate Mr.P and get a track focused car. He saw the light, eventually. :evil: :grin:
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Sorry to rain on this parade, but it is all pretty
pointless and a complete waste of money unless you can use it on a track at least once a week.
Emulate Mr.P and get a track focused car. He saw the light, eventually. :evil: :grin:
Sorry but I don't agree with this comment one bit, that's the same argument as the one I hear all the time - why get a car that car can do 150mph when the speed limit is 70mph.
Jim
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Buy this :wink:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=192343.0
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Can't find the option for bluefin in the voting :huh:
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Let's see this warranty please?
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Let's see this warranty please?
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/Golf%206%20Pages/Golf%206%20PowerUpgrades.html
"So confident are we, that all Stage 1 Power Upgrades fitted to vehicles still under manufacturer's warranty will be covered under the VWR warranty - giving you complete peace of mind. Note, this only applies to UK customers"
Jim
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Unless you're going to be doing a bit of track work I'd just go for stage 1 software and put the extra money towards your summer holiday.
If you want to change the look of the exhaust get some good quality trims. A cat back will give you next to no extra power and the intake won't show much benefit on a road car unless you go stage 2 with added downpipe and sports cat mods.
A stage 1 map (software only) won't get undue attention from a service department either, intakes and exhausts are going to raise eyebrows.
The 300 lb ft of torque the stage 1 software will give you (approx) will be very apparent compared to the rather flat feeling standard power, the bit extra you will get by adding an intake and cat back won't really be noticed unless maybe you're driving balls out on a track (which will mean your suspension and brakes will also need uprating ASAP to make good use of it).
Stage 2 with sport cat and full TBE will be better than a stage 1 for sure, but by this time you're really into the diminishing returns of BHP per £££.
Chassis first, power second.
Well, you asked for views. :smiley:
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Let's see this warranty please?
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/Golf%206%20Pages/Golf%206%20PowerUpgrades.html
"So confident are we, that all Stage 1 Power Upgrades fitted to vehicles still under manufacturer's warranty will be covered under the VWR warranty - giving you complete peace of mind. Note, this only applies to UK customers"
Jim
Thanks Jim, I was looking for a full warranty policy really so I've contacted vwr for a copy of it to see how OEM style it is for you.
I'll let you know the outcome :wink:
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Let's see this warranty please?
http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/Golf%206%20Pages/Golf%206%20PowerUpgrades.html
"So confident are we, that all Stage 1 Power Upgrades fitted to vehicles still under manufacturer's warranty will be covered under the VWR warranty - giving you complete peace of mind. Note, this only applies to UK customers"
Jim
Thanks Jim, I was looking for a full warranty policy really so I've contacted vwr for a copy of it to see how OEM style it is for you.
I'll let you know the outcome :wink:
Thanks Doc I appreciate it.
Jim
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Sorry to rain on this parade, but it is all pretty
pointless and a complete waste of money unless you can use it on a track at least once a week.
Ah, but he might be lucky enough to live in the countryside. Out here, if you avoid the rush 10 minutes that the unfortunate people that have to commute cause, most journeys can be pretty enjoyable.
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Sorry to rain on this parade, but it is all pretty
pointless and a complete waste of money unless you can use it on a track at least once a week.
Emulate Mr.P and get a track focused car. He saw the light, eventually. :evil: :grin:
Sorry but I don't agree with this comment one bit, that's the same argument as the one I hear all the time - why get a car that car can do 150mph when the speed limit is 70mph.
Jim
Me neither...
you can use the extra grunt of a remap every day...not just on a racetrack.
As for VWR parts...certain dealers seem happy to honour the warranty despite the VWR parts.
My dealer fitted my VWR springs pre-delivery and are happy to offer a full suspension warranty, so long as the springs themselves are covered by VWR.
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Sorry to rain on this parade, but it is all pretty
pointless and a complete waste of money unless you can use it on a track at least once a week.
Emulate Mr.P and get a track focused car. He saw the light, eventually. :evil: :grin:
Sorry but I don't agree with this comment one bit, that's the same argument as the one I hear all the time - why get a car that car can do 150mph when the speed limit is 70mph.
Jim
Me neither...
you can use the extra grunt of a remap every day...not just on a racetrack.
As for VWR parts...certain dealers seem happy to honour the warranty despite the VWR parts.
My dealer fitted my VWR springs pre-delivery and are happy to offer a full suspension warranty, so long as the springs themselves are covered by VWR.
I think that would be down to how nice your dealer is - as with anything detectable and aftermarket :wink:
Taken from VWR's web:
►Is manufacturer's warranty affected?
Yes, for those aspects of the engine and drivetrain that the manufacturer can prove were affected by any upgrade, any warranty claim will be rejected. All other aspects of the vehicle’s warranty should remain unaffected. Any parts from our range that are faulty or incorrectly installed will be replaced by us. Please note that this range of parts is intended for use within the United Kingdom, if you intend to use the car elsewhere it is your responsibility to establish the situation with regard to your manufacturer/other warranty.
My point here is to ensure that if your buying it for the warranty that the said warranty is worth more than the paper it's written on as they oftern are not :wink:
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Option 1 - VWR Stage 1 - £1,600
- 250hp ECU Mod (REVO Code)
- VWR Rear Exhaust
- VWR Panel Filter
I'm learning here so bear with me, your saying the VWR map is written by REVO not Superchips or does REVO Code mean something else?
I assumed Superchips wrote their software as its all over their race vehicles? :undecided:
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Option 1 - VWR Stage 1 - £1,600
- 250hp ECU Mod (REVO Code)
- VWR Rear Exhaust
- VWR Panel Filter
I'm learning here so bear with me, your saying the VWR map is written by REVO not Superchips or does REVO Code mean something else?
I assumed Superchips wrote their software as its all over their race vehicles? :undecided:
Hi Doc, REVO did the remap for the MK6, they use Superchips for everything else.
Jim
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Hi Doc, REVO did the remap for the MK6, they use Superchips for everything else.
Jim
Erm...no.
It's Superchips..they use a bluefin to install the maps...although I did hear they (VWR) were also going to offer REVO maps.
Certainly the early VWR maps are Superchips, in Stage 1 and Stage 2 trim.
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Hi Doc, REVO did the remap for the MK6, they use Superchips for everything else.
Jim
Erm...no.
It's Superchips..they use a bluefin to install the maps...although I did hear they (VWR) were also going to offer REVO maps.
Certainly the early VWR maps are Superchips, in Stage 1 and Stage 2 trim.
Sorry but but I spoke to VWR two weeks ago and they told me the current Stage 1 map for the MK6 is supplied by REVO. I also spoke with the REVO Sales Manager last week and he confirmed this.
Jim
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Erm...no.
It's Superchips..they use a bluefin to install the maps...although I did hear they (VWR) were also going to offer REVO maps.
Certainly the early VWR maps are Superchips, in Stage 1 and Stage 2 trim.
Sorry but but I spoke to VWR two weeks ago and they told me the current Stage 1 map for the MK6 is supplied by REVO. I also spoke with the REVO Sales Manager last week and he confirmed this.
Jim
The clue might be in the highlighted wording.
Believe me, the earlier stuff installed using a Bluefin unit and the maps came from Superchips.
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Personally I would go for APR if just going Stage 1 after the issues with my REVO Stage 1. If you plan to go to Stage 2, then REVO is fine, my car is anyways! Going for a Milltek Cat Back aint going to do much preformance wise, just look good and add a bit of grunt, to go stage 2 you will need a new downpipe and sports cat so i would be more inclined in going for that first.
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Maybe the question to ask is not what are our opinions but "what would you like from your car" Jim?
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The warranty has arrived and as I suspected, they have the same warranty as my company offer :smug:
This is not an insurance backed warranty and is not going to be to the same level as the OEM warranty was as it only covers upto 10,000 pounds of damage.
And only comes into force if the "manufacturer can show that a failure is caused by a modification, then our warranty steps in to cover those elements."
I'll mail you a copy if you PM me your email address :wink:
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The warranty has arrived and as I suspected, they have the same warranty as my company offer :smug:
This is not an insurance backed warranty and is not going to be to the same level as the OEM warranty was as it only covers upto 10,000 pounds of damage.
And only comes into force if the "manufacturer can show that a failure is caused by a modification, then our warranty steps in to cover those elements."
I'll mail you a copy if you PM me your email address :wink:
Thanks Doc, I appreciate you looking into this. The more I think about it the less I care about the warranty bit, my car is nearly two years old and if it goes pop, it goes pop!
To be honest I'm still none the wiser as to what to do with the car :cry:
Thanks again for everyone's opinions & advice.
Jim
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The warranty has arrived and as I suspected, they have the same warranty as my company offer :smug:
This is not an insurance backed warranty and is not going to be to the same level as the OEM warranty was as it only covers upto 10,000 pounds of damage.
And only comes into force if the "manufacturer can show that a failure is caused by a modification, then our warranty steps in to cover those elements."
I'll mail you a copy if you PM me your email address :wink:
Thanks Doc, I appreciate you looking into this. The more I think about it the less I care about the warranty bit, my car is nearly two years old and if it goes pop, it goes pop!
To be honest I'm still none the wiser as to what to do with the car :cry:
Thanks again for everyone's opinions & advice.
Jim
It wont go pop due to any of the above options :wink:
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The warranty has arrived and as I suspected, they have the same warranty as my company offer :smug:
This is not an insurance backed warranty and is not going to be to the same level as the OEM warranty was as it only covers upto 10,000 pounds of damage.
And only comes into force if the "manufacturer can show that a failure is caused by a modification, then our warranty steps in to cover those elements."
I'll mail you a copy if you PM me your email address :wink:
Thanks Doc, I appreciate you looking into this. The more I think about it the less I care about the warranty bit, my car is nearly two years old and if it goes pop, it goes pop!
To be honest I'm still none the wiser as to what to do with the car :cry:
Thanks again for everyone's opinions & advice.
Jim
It wont go pop due to any of the above options :wink:
Do you mean the two options i've listed at the start of the thread it won't (shouldnt) go pop?
Jim
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The warranty has arrived and as I suspected, they have the same warranty as my company offer :smug:
This is not an insurance backed warranty and is not going to be to the same level as the OEM warranty was as it only covers upto 10,000 pounds of damage.
And only comes into force if the "manufacturer can show that a failure is caused by a modification, then our warranty steps in to cover those elements."
I'll mail you a copy if you PM me your email address :wink:
Thanks Doc, I appreciate you looking into this. The more I think about it the less I care about the warranty bit, my car is nearly two years old and if it goes pop, it goes pop!
To be honest I'm still none the wiser as to what to do with the car :cry:
Thanks again for everyone's opinions & advice.
Jim
It wont go pop due to any of the above options :wink:
Do you mean the two options i've listed at the start of the thread it won't (shouldnt) go pop?
Jim
Yes Sir :wink:
What are you trying to achive with the upgrades your looking at Jim?
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POWER! I want more, but I want useable and I don't want torque steer although I could live with a very small amount.
SOUND! I want more of this too, but a deep noise not a noisy car!
Thanks again Doc.
Jim
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So some mid-range grunt to the sound of a decent beat :cool:
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Full Milltek, Carbonio, Stage 2 Revo is the way to go :wink:
None of the last 3 golfs ive had with these mods have ever missed a beat :wink: expensive but worth it
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Jim,
Your car is a relatively old girl, so why don't you just opt for Bluefin as the old girl does not require open heart surgery?
You know it makes common sense as you can de-map and re-map her (assuming the car is female) at will and it's relatively cheap at £450. :smiley:
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Jim,
Your car is a relatively old girl, so why don't you just opt for Bluefin as the old girl does not require open heart surgery?
You know it makes common sense as you can de-map and re-map her (assuming the car is female) at will and it's relatively cheap at £450. :smiley:
Yeah, my initial thoughts before buying the car was that I'd go down the Bluefin route, I still havent ruled it out. I like the idea of the original map being stored and the ease of removing etc, however REVO now offer this type of thing with some added extras.
Jim
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Most decent tuners can give you a hand held unit to put the car back to standard and also give you the option of two selectable maps :smiley:
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Most decent tuners can give you a hand held unit to put the car back to standard and also give you the option of two selectable maps :smiley:
Just how mobile is your mobile service?
Jim
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Most decent tuners can give you a hand held unit to put the car back to standard and also give you the option of two selectable maps :smiley:
Just how mobile is your mobile service?
Jim
Where are you located Jim?
BTW I'm allowed to talk shop (a little) now as we're now forum sponsors - new section to follow under remapping, I'm sure Nick (Carbon's VAG GURU) will be along soon to discuss the finer points of what you'd like to from your tuning.
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Most decent tuners can give you a hand held unit to put the car back to standard and also give you the option of two selectable maps :smiley:
Wooow there one cotton-picking-second !!!
Doc, you saying that you have handheld units for sale that your customers can buy to swap maps?
Didnt know YOU were doing these too. :rolleyes:
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Most decent tuners can give you a hand held unit to put the car back to standard and also give you the option of two selectable maps :smiley:
Wooow there one cotton-picking-second !!!
Doc, you saying that you have handheld units for sale that your customers can buy to swap maps?
Didnt know YOU were doing these too. :rolleyes:
Tell us more Mr The Doc
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Most decent tuners can give you a hand held unit to put the car back to standard and also give you the option of two selectable maps :smiley:
Wooow there one cotton-picking-second !!!
Doc, you saying that you have handheld units for sale that your customers can buy to swap maps?
Didnt know YOU were doing these too. :rolleyes:
Tell us more Mr The Doc
I was being good as a moderator - not a forum sponsor but now that my company is a forum sponsor.....
We sell a very reliable product that we buy in that can hold your stock map and two modded maps - you could have say a a day to day power map and a high RON map for example.
I'm a little up the wall at the mo but I'll take a photo of one later and pop it up :smiley:
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Well colour me interested !
Is this dependant on the old ECU scrambling issue though, or do you pull the ECU and replace the chip?
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Now this is getting pulsating and throbbing.
Ooooooh, Doc, you are such a dark horse.
I'm now going to imbibe some red grape juice awaiting clarification. :smiley:
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Here's the box in question: http://www.alientech-to.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=121&lang=en
Sorry to say it will only work on NON-unscrambled (tuning protection enabled) ECU's
We do also remap the tuning protected ECU's and we remove them very, very carefully and replace all VW security bolts to avoid detection once the job is complete.
It work work on these versions of Mk6 Golf:
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VI 1400 16V TSI CAVD 160 BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VI 1400 16V TSI CAXA 122 BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VI 1800 16V TSI BYT/BZB 160 BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VI 2000 16V TFSI GTI CCZB 211 BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VI 2000 16V TFSI GTI 270 BOSCH ME9.1 TFSI 103
VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VI 2000 16V TFSI R CCZB 270 BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156
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Doc:
How can I check if my ECU is BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156 or not?
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Doc:
How can I check if my ECU is BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156 or not?
Hmmmmm - whip the ECU out - it's written on it :wink:
I'll talk to Nick about it tomorrow and see what (if any) kit we can send for you to try and work out what you have :wink:
When was Wolfgang born?
BTW These lovely little boxes of joy cost 190 euro's (ish) I can get a discount for multiples.....
Plus the cost of your map(s) - which will be a nice price of couse a ever for the GTI forum gang :wink:
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Doc:
How can I check if my ECU is BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156 or not?
Hmmmmm - whip the ECU out - it's written on it :wink:
I'll talk to Nick about it tomorrow and see what (if any) kit we can send for you to try and work out what you have :wink:
When was Wolfgang born?
BTW These lovely little boxes of joy cost 190 euro's (ish) I can get a discount for multiples.....
Plus the cost of your map(s) - which will be a nice price of couse a ever for the GTI forum gang :wink:
He was born BW9 (1st March to 7th March) 2010. VW was too posh to push him so a C-section it was!
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Doc:
How can I check if my ECU is BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156 or not?
Hmmmmm - whip the ECU out - it's written on it :wink:
I'll talk to Nick about it tomorrow and see what (if any) kit we can send for you to try and work out what you have :wink:
When was Wolfgang born?
BTW These lovely little boxes of joy cost 190 euro's (ish) I can get a discount for multiples.....
Plus the cost of your map(s) - which will be a nice price of couse a ever for the GTI forum gang :wink:
He was born BW9 (1st March to 7th March) 2010. VW was too posh to push him so a C-section it was!
Could go either way :huh:
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Doc:
How can I check if my ECU is BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156 or not?
Hmmmmm - whip the ECU out - it's written on it :wink:
I'll talk to Nick about it tomorrow and see what (if any) kit we can send for you to try and work out what you have :wink:
When was Wolfgang born?
BTW These lovely little boxes of joy cost 190 euro's (ish) I can get a discount for multiples.....
Plus the cost of your map(s) - which will be a nice price of couse a ever for the GTI forum gang :wink:
He was born BW9 (1st March to 7th March) 2010. VW was too posh to push him so a C-section it was!
Could go either way :huh:
I had a feeling Wolfgang could be AC/DC. :shocked:
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Doc:
How can I check if my ECU is BOSCH MED17.X CAN 156 or not?
Hmmmmm - whip the ECU out - it's written on it :wink:
I'll talk to Nick about it tomorrow and see what (if any) kit we can send for you to try and work out what you have :wink:
When was Wolfgang born?
BTW These lovely little boxes of joy cost 190 euro's (ish) I can get a discount for multiples.....
Plus the cost of your map(s) - which will be a nice price of couse a ever for the GTI forum gang :wink:
He was born BW9 (1st March to 7th March) 2010. VW was too posh to push him so a C-section it was!
Could go either way :huh:
I had a feeling Wolfgang could be AC/DC. :shocked:
And on that note I'm off to bed - I'll paly with Vag Com etc tomorrow and see how I get on :smiley:
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Hmm, think I`m going to have to come visit...I`m only In St Helens....
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...unless I can find out by VagCom?
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Come and visit were only 30 mins away :wink:
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A defintion of pointless was the 1.2 diesel VW Polo courtesy car I had last week when they had my car in to replace the alarm unit - unless you had a mile of empty road it was pointless pulling out :laugh:
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I agree with you Adrian that an excessively slow car tends to be most unnerving and pretty dangerous when it cannot accelerate rapidly or get to a decent speed easily especially on a motorway.
However, making a car noisier with an overpriced exhaust and air intake and harder riding with madly expensive suspension components is also a pretty stupid exercise especially when the car is primarily used as a daily commuting and family hauling tool.
Both the Golf GTI and GTD in standard form are pretty rapid cars and more than effectively fulfil their real world purpose. Re-mapping an engine is as far as I would venture and this is also a matter of contention in my opinion.
I, therefore, strongly feel that the standard GTI and GTD are as perfect a compromise (a contradiction in terms) as one can get with their decent room, practical external dimensions and excellent performance. A few tenths of a second improvement in acceleration serves me with no useful purpose in London traffic. It might possibly be a hindrance for issues of warranty, reliability and fuel economy.
It is interesting to see the larger and more powerful cars gingerly trying to negotiate London traffic and are left fumbling away miles behind my GTI.
To many it feels good to go mad sometimes (in the nicest possible way) with these major revisions. There is nothing amiss with personalisation but at times it can, IMO, be taken to excess.
However, ETTO and good luck. :smiley:
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I agree with all of the above.
Asker, I've ordered some more of the programable handheld units, I'll send you one down when they land, if you can read out you car with it you know it's a non-tuning protected ECU ;-)
Is this an acceptable solution? :smiley:
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I agree with all of the above.
Asker, I've ordered some more of the programable handheld units, I'll send you one down when they land, if you can read out you car with it you know it's a non-tuning protected ECU ;-)
Is this an acceptable solution? :smiley:
Music to my ears, Doc. Thanks. :smiley: