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Title: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 19:09
Hello chaps,

I'm getting a mobile service on the go for the latest secure processors etc and I'd like your input on the design for the van - it's booked in to be done next week.

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1706/transorterallsides.jpg)
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Jimmymature on 09 April 2011, 19:17

The design looks great.


Nice alloys btw........ :shocked:


Jim
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 09 April 2011, 19:19
Doc: I love it. It shows-off and advertises a company that is hightech in calibre. The visual disorientation is quite amazing and very 3D. I also love the colour scheme. Brilliantly unusual. :cool: :smiley:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: R32UK on 09 April 2011, 19:23
i like that :cool:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: GolfTi on 09 April 2011, 19:31
Paint work is amazing. Design is brilliant.
Very professional and confidence inspiring. I'd love that turning up at my house :cool:

New wheels for the van to finish it off??
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Steve30 on 09 April 2011, 19:50
Looks ace that brilliant design !! What's inside ?  :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 19:52
"stuff"  :wink:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: GolfTi on 09 April 2011, 20:11
Be sure to show all of your customers around your VW Tardis. :cool:

All good quality kit too.

No scrimping is always a good sign.
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 20:13
Be sure to show all of your customers around your VW Tardis. :cool:

All good quality kit too.

No scrimping is always a good sign.

have you seen by tardis workplace?
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: GolfTi on 09 April 2011, 20:17
Yes please.

I'm thinking of getting a GTD just so you can turn up at my house :laugh:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: topher on 09 April 2011, 20:19
looks classy, i like it :afro:

<pedant>you spelled vauxhall wrong on the website though</pedant>
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 20:21
looks classy, i like it :afro:

<pedant>you spelled vauxhall wrong on the website though</pedant>

Ta la, should say OPEL  :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 09 April 2011, 20:23
I am suitably impressed, nay very impressed. I wish you were in London. Can't you start a company just for me down south, please? I'll make it worth your while.  :wink: :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 20:37
looks classy, i like it :afro:

<pedant>you spelled vauxhall wrong on the website though</pedant>

Ta la, should say OPEL  :grin:

hence: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=186747.0
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Snoopy on 09 April 2011, 22:18
Very nice,
Just be careful of small print on the van. Its amazing how people get distracted reading the small print when following you and don't see your brake lights  :cry:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Steve30 on 09 April 2011, 22:20
Very nice,
Just be careful of small print on the van. Its amazing how people get distracted reading the small print hen following you and don't see your brake lights  :cry:

Brilliant that one , you just know there are some real idiots on the road  :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 22:25
Very nice,
Just be careful of small print on the van. Its amazing how people get distracted reading the small print hen following you and don't see your brake lights  :cry:

Brilliant that one , you just know there are some real idiots on the road  :rolleyes: :laugh:

Whip cash  :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 22:26
I am suitably impressed, nay very impressed. I wish you were in London. Can't you start a company just for me down south, please? I'll make it worth your while.  :wink: :grin:

Think we'll be having a trip down soon ;-)
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 09 April 2011, 22:39
I am suitably impressed, nay very impressed. I wish you were in London. Can't you start a company just for me down south, please? I'll make it worth your while.  :wink: :grin:
Think we'll be having a trip down soon ;-)

All excited now. :smiley:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 22:46
I am suitably impressed, nay very impressed. I wish you were in London. Can't you start a company just for me down south, please? I'll make it worth your while.  :wink: :grin:
Think we'll be having a trip down soon ;-)

All excited now. :smiley:

When was your car born?
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 09 April 2011, 22:48
Hello chaps,

I'm getting a mobile service on the go for the latest secure processors etc and I'd like your input on the design for the van - it's booked in to be done next week.

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1706/transorterallsides.jpg)


Looks good but my comments would be:

1. Watch the typo on 'guarantee' over the left indicator and on the back doors. Currently reads '100% satisfaction gurantee'.

2. I'd take 'Carbon' off the GTD plate. There is a lot of visual clutter on the van already and it's a bit like a billboard, people are going to get a fleeting glance so you need to make sure that what they read counts.

3. Typesetting is slightly whimsical - emboldening words for emphasis is fine but why bold 'rolling' and not road. No problem where you have 'more power, more torque' because the emphasis is right.

4. Why not change the livery of the van and brand the vehicle as 'Mobile Service Van' or something instead of stating 'Mobile Service' as a benefit.

5. Why have the address on the van? If people want to find you, they can go to the website or pick up the phone. Nobody is ever going to write down an address off a van but they might take a phone number or url.

6. Possibly put the marques you deal with or specialise in on the vehicle - just logos somewhere, people will join the dots. Otherwise they may not think it's relevant to them or assume that you just do diesel Golfs.

Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 09 April 2011, 22:49
I am suitably impressed, nay very impressed. I wish you were in London. Can't you start a company just for me down south, please? I'll make it worth your while.  :wink: :grin:
Think we'll be having a trip down soon ;-)
All excited now. :smiley:
When was your car born?

Born BW7 2010. Delivered BW9 2010. Date of Death: Not finalised.  :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Snoopy on 09 April 2011, 22:54
5. Why have the address on the van? If people want to find you, they can go to the website or pick up the phone. Nobody is ever going to write down an address off a van but they might take a phone number or url.
There is a good reason for that imo.
Why because pikeys don't have a fixed buisness address but they have professional sign written vans  :wink:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 22:56
Hello chaps,

I'm getting a mobile service on the go for the latest secure processors etc and I'd like your input on the design for the van - it's booked in to be done next week.

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1706/transorterallsides.jpg)


Looks good but my comments would be:

1. Watch the typo on 'guarantee' over the left indicator and on the back doors. Currently reads '100% satisfaction gurantee'.

2. I'd take 'Carbon' off the GTD plate. There is a lot of visual clutter on the van already and it's a bit like a billboard, people are going to get a fleeting glance so you need to make sure that what they read counts.

3. Typesetting is slightly whimsical - emboldening words for emphasis is fine but why bold 'rolling' and not road. No problem where you have 'more power, more torque' because the emphasis is right.

4. Why not change the livery of the van and brand the vehicle as 'Mobile Service Van' or something instead of stating 'Mobile Service' as a benefit.

5. Why have the address on the van? If people want to find you, they can go to the website or pick up the phone. Nobody is ever going to write down an address off a van but they might take a phone number or url.

6. Possibly put the marques you deal with or specialise in on the vehicle - just logos somewhere, people will join the dots. Otherwise they may not think it's relevant to them or assume that you just do diesel Golfs.




I like the thorough critique above, some already noted but others not, thank you

The address is on their so that customers know were not just working from a van.

I'll consider your other very valid points  :wink:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 23:01
I am suitably impressed, nay very impressed. I wish you were in London. Can't you start a company just for me down south, please? I'll make it worth your while.  :wink: :grin:
Think we'll be having a trip down soon ;-)
All excited now. :smiley:
When was your car born?

Born BW7 2010. Delivered BW9 2010. Date of Death: Not finalised.  :grin:


At his young age he may have to have open heart surgery you know.....

The map switching units I use along with REVO etc won't work on the vast majority 2010 vehicles due to the secure ECU software.

Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 09 April 2011, 23:04
5. Why have the address on the van? If people want to find you, they can go to the website or pick up the phone. Nobody is ever going to write down an address off a van but they might take a phone number or url.
There is a good reason for that imo.
Why because pikeys don't have a fixed buisness address but they have professional sign written vans  :wink:

Yeah, that's obvious but Doc is stating that he is established and it just takes saying 'workshop/mobile service' versus stating a 20 line long industrial estate address on a vehicle to make the same point. It's the subtle persuaders, you don't have to be overt. Established x years, workshop/mobile service, high end marques = credibility.

I pretty much doubt that anyone who has a high end vehicle is not going to do their homework before letting anyone loose on an expensive vehicle.
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 23:10
So

I think your right, it has become too cluttered so I'm thinking.....

Move the address down to the bottom of the side loading door

Get rid of mobile service & 10 year gtee

Check spelling!

Move remap for more power / torque into the black band on the sides

I kind of like the carbon reg over the st09ght thing



Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 09 April 2011, 23:13
Hello chaps,

I'm getting a mobile service on the go for the latest secure processors etc and I'd like your input on the design for the van - it's booked in to be done next week.

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1706/transorterallsides.jpg)


I like the thorough critique above, some already noted but others not, thank you

The address is on their so that customers know were not just working from a van.

I'll consider your other very valid points  :wink:

You're welcome Doc. I've worked for and with top London ad agencies for a long time so hope I've learnt a thing or two along the way.

There is a framework for devising a creative brief that is used almost universally (every agency likes to make theirs 'original) but it boils down to: 'Who are we talking to?' 'What are we saying?' and 'Why should they believe it?' You can apply this to just about any situation in life where you're communicating with people.

Just make sure you have rights clearance on the photography as well, copyright holders generally seek much larger sums for infringement and there is something familiar about that shot. Ignorance is not an excuse and the courts will be unsympathetic.
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 09 April 2011, 23:25
So

I think your right, it has become too cluttered so I'm thinking.....

Move the address down to the bottom of the side loading door

Get rid of mobile service & 10 year gtee

Check spelling!

Move remap for more power / torque into the black band on the sides

I kind of like the carbon reg over the st09ght thing


I think the guarantee is a good thing to talk about, it provides reassurance about your legitimacy.

I'd try your statement about more power/torque reversed out on a black wipe down the side. It'll provide much more stand out. I'd question the mobile number being on there, keep it simple.

I like the custom plate but only if it doesn't fight with all the other copy.

Design wise, it's a bit messy how the designer has finished the bottom left door and I'd have offset the Golf to lose the GTD grille badge or move it so you can see 'GTD'. Otherwise, it feels like the designer hasn't thought about the flow of the design at the back.

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 09 April 2011, 23:31
Design wise, it's a bit messy how the designer has finished the bottom left door and I'd have offset the Golf to lose the GTD grille badge or move it so you can see 'GTD'. Otherwise, it feels like the designer hasn't thought about the flow of the design at the back.


It's all good, thank younand your advice is much appreciated  :wink:

It's my fault that the rear door looks a mess, I came up the idea, then got carried away with gettin the vans VW badge used as the cars grill badge  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 00:51
Design wise, it's a bit messy how the designer has finished the bottom left door and I'd have offset the Golf to lose the GTD grille badge or move it so you can see 'GTD'. Otherwise, it feels like the designer hasn't thought about the flow of the design at the back.


It's all good, thank younand your advice is much appreciated  :wink:

It's my fault that the rear door looks a mess, I came up the idea, then got carried away with gettin the vans VW badge used as the cars grill badge  :rolleyes:

No worries, hope it turns out well. Post up some pictures when it's ready to go.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Snoopy on 10 April 2011, 10:05
5. Why have the address on the van? If people want to find you, they can go to the website or pick up the phone. Nobody is ever going to write down an address off a van but they might take a phone number or url.
There is a good reason for that imo.
Why because pikeys don't have a fixed buisness address but they have professional sign written vans  :wink:

Yeah, that's obvious but Doc is stating that he is established and it just takes saying 'workshop/mobile service' versus stating a 20 line long industrial estate address on a vehicle to make the same point. It's the subtle persuaders, you don't have to be overt. Established x years, workshop/mobile service, high end marques = credibility.

I pretty much doubt that anyone who has a high end vehicle is not going to do their homework before letting anyone loose on an expensive vehicle.
Theres alot of stupid people out there, who cannot think, and would allow. I know i work with alot of them :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: Exonian on 10 April 2011, 11:05
I like it.
Eyecatching without being over-bearing.
Plenty of info on there for people to read when they see it parked up
Easy enough to to the main details off the van when it's on the move.

Nice sensible steel wheels that won't get kerbed!!!  :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 13:05
5. Why have the address on the van? If people want to find you, they can go to the website or pick up the phone. Nobody is ever going to write down an address off a van but they might take a phone number or url.
There is a good reason for that imo.
Why because pikeys don't have a fixed buisness address but they have professional sign written vans  :wink:

Yeah, that's obvious but Doc is stating that he is established and it just takes saying 'workshop/mobile service' versus stating a 20 line long industrial estate address on a vehicle to make the same point. It's the subtle persuaders, you don't have to be overt. Established x years, workshop/mobile service, high end marques = credibility.

I pretty much doubt that anyone who has a high end vehicle is not going to do their homework before letting anyone loose on an expensive vehicle.
Theres alot of stupid people out there, who cannot think, and would allow. I know i work with alot of them :grin:
'A fool and his money are easily parted' doesn't exist as an expression for nothing I guess.  :smug:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 10 April 2011, 14:23
'A fool and his money are easily parted' doesn't exist as an expression for nothing I guess.  :smug:

..... says the man (including me) who did the opposite by not specifying Bi-Xenons in the first place .....  :cry:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 16:41
'A fool and his money are easily parted' doesn't exist as an expression for nothing I guess.  :smug:

..... says the man (including me) who did the opposite by not specifying Bi-Xenons in the first place .....  :cry:

My decision not to buy them at point of order was not borne of cost but in justifying the extra expense considered the car is driven in London 90% of the time so you never really get the full benefit. However, I prefer the look of them and I'm getting out of London more and more. They actually cost less than factory fit, admittedly, it's not like for like as I have not put the AFS controller in. It's £127 so I'd come out about £220 less than factory specified excl washers.
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 10 April 2011, 16:49
'A fool and his money are easily parted' doesn't exist as an expression for nothing I guess.  :smug:
..... says the man (including me) who did the opposite by not specifying Bi-Xenons in the first place .....  :cry:
My decision not to buy them at point of order was not borne of cost but in justifying the extra expense considered the car is driven in London 90% of the time so you never really get the full benefit. However, I prefer the look of them and I'm getting out of London more and more. They actually cost less than factory fit, admittedly, it's not like for like as I have not put the AFS controller in. It's £127 so I'd come out about £220 less than factory specified excl washers.

Ok, ok big boy, lighten up. You don't have to justify yourself to me. I quite understand that it is nice to try a new toy in the right environment.  :laugh:

BTW: We should meet up for a drink at least, soon. SMS is best. :wink:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 16:54
'A fool and his money are easily parted' doesn't exist as an expression for nothing I guess.  :smug:
..... says the man (including me) who did the opposite by not specifying Bi-Xenons in the first place .....  :cry:
My decision not to buy them at point of order was not borne of cost but in justifying the extra expense considered the car is driven in London 90% of the time so you never really get the full benefit. However, I prefer the look of them and I'm getting out of London more and more. They actually cost less than factory fit, admittedly, it's not like for like as I have not put the AFS controller in. It's £127 so I'd come out about £220 less than factory specified excl washers.

Ok, ok big boy, lighten up. You don't have to justify yourself to me. I quite understand that it is nice to try a new toy in the right environment.  :laugh:

Oh, I'm very illuminated thanks.  :grin: I reckon VW would do better offering the Xenons without cornering/levelling as standard and then offer the adaptive cornering as an 'extra'. It was a bit of a hassle putting the whole lot together and getting the parts list which I probably couldn't have done as easily if it wasn't for the good folks of this forum. Quite satisfying to actually undertake a decent mod on the car.

My top tip for anyone trying it - plastic clay modelling tools from Cowling & Wilcox. They have sculpted and tapered tips which are perfect for prising plastic trim off.

Actually, I'll stop there, I think we just took this far off topic Asker.....
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: am1w on 10 April 2011, 17:15
Off topic again. Doc thinks Wolfgang will need open heart surgery for a re-map.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: mike. on 10 April 2011, 18:15
My decision not to buy them at point of order was not borne of cost but in justifying the extra expense considered the car is driven in London 90% of the time so you never really get the full benefit. However, I prefer the look of them and I'm getting out of London more and more. They actually cost less than factory fit, admittedly, it's not like for like as I have not put the AFS controller in. It's £127 so I'd come out about £220 less than factory specified excl washers.

You would also need the 2 AFS power modules@£130 each, self leveller@£120 and the wiring loom@£80 so works out at about another £600  :shocked:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 10 April 2011, 18:54
I'll sort this sticky mess out later when I'm on my pc or iPad  ;-)

and yes I'm working on a bi-xenon solution for the works van ;-)
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 20:48
My decision not to buy them at point of order was not borne of cost but in justifying the extra expense considered the car is driven in London 90% of the time so you never really get the full benefit. However, I prefer the look of them and I'm getting out of London more and more. They actually cost less than factory fit, admittedly, it's not like for like as I have not put the AFS controller in. It's £127 so I'd come out about £220 less than factory specified excl washers.

You would also need the 2 AFS power modules@£130 each, self leveller@£120 and the wiring loom@£80 so works out at about another £600  :shocked:

Not really investigated it properly Mike but you just gave me a reason not to do it. I don't see the value in the feature but I'll spec it from factory next time. Lesson learned.
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 20:48
I'll sort this sticky mess out later when I'm on my pc or iPad  ;-)

and yes I'm working on a bi-xenon solution for the works van ;-)

Rear LEDs too?  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 10 April 2011, 21:38
I'll sort this sticky mess out later when I'm on my pc or iPad  ;-)

and yes I'm working on a bi-xenon solution for the works van ;-)

Rear LEDs too?  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Na they'd look  :sick:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 10 April 2011, 23:12
I'll sort this sticky mess out later when I'm on my pc or iPad  ;-)

and yes I'm working on a bi-xenon solution for the works van ;-)

Rear LEDs too?  :grin: :grin: :grin:

Na they'd look  :sick:

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 11 April 2011, 10:11
Side of van

 

Side load door

Carbon logo then

100% satisfaction guarantee

Rolling road facility.



Lower middle of door address – to be aligned with web / phone numbers please

 
Technologies House
Canal Road
Altrincham
WA14 1TF

 
Pass door

 
Web and phone number to be equally spaced (closer please)
 

Black mid band

Performance tuning more power more torque

 

Bottom of doors


Vehicle logos (not names please) in dark grey

Audi bmw Citroen ford Mercedes Porsche Renault Vauxhall VW 

 

Rear of van

Make golf straight.


Right door upper

Web and tel numbers on right door


Left door Upper

Carbon logo
Performance tuning
      More power
          More torque
 

Lower rear doors


 
100% satisfaction guarantee   ADDRESS
Rolling road facility                      HERE
Logo’s  across  bottom  of  both  doors

 
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: mac7 on 11 April 2011, 17:53
The van looks good but you might want to check the copyright implications of using one of VW's images.

From VW's UK website:

"This web site is published by Volkswagen UK and is protected by copyright and other intellectual property rights in existence at any time throughout the world. All web site design, text, graphics, the typographical arrangement thereof, and all other material on this web site is copyright of Volkswagen UK or their service and technology providers.

Permission is hereby granted to electronically copy and to print hard copy portions of this web site for the sole purpose of using this as an information resource for Volkswagen UK products. Any other use of materials on this website, including reproduction for purposes other than the above, modification, distribution or republication without the prior written permission of Volkswagen UK is prohibited.

The trade marks, logos and service marks shown on this web site, unless otherwise specified, are the trade marks of Volkswagen UK. No rights are granted to use any of them in any manner whatsoever.

Any infringement of Volkswagen UK's rights will result in appropriate legal action being taken against you."

Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 11 April 2011, 20:07
Permission has been requested ;-)

If it dont come I have other options ;-)
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 11 April 2011, 20:24
Permission has been requested ;-)

If it dont come I have other options ;-)

We can do a contra deal if you like...
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 11 April 2011, 20:33
Permission has been requested ;-)

If it dont come I have other options ;-)

We can do a contra deal if you like...

Tell me more...

I've had legal issues in the past with BMW GMBH regarding a product I was selling, if VW are half as easy to do deals with I'll be ok ;-)
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: AGB on 11 April 2011, 20:47
Permission has been requested ;-)

If it dont come I have other options ;-)

We can do a contra deal if you like...

Tell me more...

I've had legal issues in the past with BMW GMBH regarding a product I was selling, if VW are half as easy to do deals with I'll be ok ;-)

I'll PM you. It's unlikely that VW will allow extended usage as they will perceive it to be associated as an endorsement by VW.
Title: Re: Doc's new works van design
Post by: The Doc on 11 April 2011, 21:59
Permission has been requested ;-)

If it dont come I have other options ;-)

We can do a contra deal if you like...

Tell me more...

I've had legal issues in the past with BMW GMBH regarding a product I was selling, if VW are half as easy to do deals with I'll be ok ;-)

I'll PM you. It's unlikely that VW will allow extended usage as they will perceive it to be associated as an endorsement by VW.

No it will be fine, I told them that I'm a mod on here





























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