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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: F17BAD on 16 March 2011, 20:57
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On behalf of a friend, whats the lows on this and have you pics of mk4's at 40mm on 18" rims
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2087/ch1m.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/ch1m.jpg/)
cheers :cool:
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Looks like a 40mm drop.
I am sure he is a member on here.
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cheers wayne mate, who is he and whats specs of the suspension, my mate does not want a harsh ride so not sure on coils yet... but does not wanna spend money on fixed susoension and not get low enough if this makes sense
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cheers wayne mate, who is he and whats specs of the suspension, my mate does not want a harsh ride so not sure on coils yet... but does not wanna spend money on fixed susoension and not get low enough if this makes sense
Not sure :undecided: sure someone else will remember the car.
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Is that a 40mm drop!? :shocked: If Id have known, I wouldnt have coilovers. Looks perfect :cool:
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Id say 50mm :undecided:
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Id say 50mm :undecided:
Yep possibly on H&R springs as they do a 50mm kit
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How does the handling compare between the H&R, the eibach and Bilstein B5 and also between the three and FK-AK's? I hate the sound my car makes when you hit lumps and bumps on a back road at GTI speeds
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my pal has a GTI 1.8T whats the lowest we can go with no drop link or arb issues?
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40mm ish
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yea thought so, cheers buddie
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I does depend on the car, some hit at 35 apparently and some go lower............
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:smiley:
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for my mates sake (getting him to join on here)
can you guys list whats needed and prices to sort the ARB and drop links etc.. he likes to research stuff himself so links to info would be fantastic?
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would just need adjustable arb links cheasp enough on the bay..
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If you uprate the front ARB then you need to get a bigger rear ARB as well otherwise the handling is terrible
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heres mine at 40mm all round :wink:
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af149/cullygti/IMAG0040.jpg)
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If you uprate the front ARB then you need to get a bigger rear ARB as well otherwise the handling is terrible
Can it get worse? :grin:
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(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu109/tobe1990/21395ab9.jpg)
60mm drop no problems.. have a full car and no rubbiing.. onoly if i go over big speed bump's!
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the mk4 does handle like swimming through treacle
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(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu109/tobe1990/21395ab9.jpg)
60mm drop no problems.. have a full car and no rubbiing.. onoly if i go over big speed bump's!
And I thought my car had the most different shades of Red!!! :shocked:
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the mk4 does handle like swimming through treacle
Its not THAT bad :grin: Sometimes Im quite impressed with it!
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its actually quite good.. but iphone pics dont to it justice
(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu109/tobe1990/8504b624.jpg)
need some new sideskirts tho i think there votex but there a bit damaged but i got the full kit.. but not feeling it atm :undecided:
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We can have a deal with the anni wheel and your damaged skirts if you like. Id like some spares as I had to do an emergency jack up a few months ago..........
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its actually quite good.. but iphone pics dont to it justice
(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu109/tobe1990/8504b624.jpg)
need some new sideskirts tho i think there votex but there a bit damaged but i got the full kit.. but not feeling it atm :undecided:
Yep, definite match between the bumper and wing :laugh:
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its metal and plastic never guna be 100% and it is 11 years old or 12 :evil: :undecided: :tongue: :shocked: :rolleyes: :cool:
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I found without spending loads of money the mk4 for a GTI handled terrible and understeers like crazy.. unfortunately VW didnt live up the GTI past..
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its metal and plastic never guna be 100% and it is 11 years old or 12 :evil: :undecided: :tongue: :shocked: :rolleyes: :cool:
Love the schizophrenic emotions! Mine isnt bad between there but a couple of panels look like stevie wonder and ray charles had a day at VW!
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I found without spending loads of money the mk4 for a GTI handled terrible and understeers like crazy.. unfortunately VW didnt live up the GTI past..
Apparetnly a rear anti roll bar helps no end with understeer :undecided: I thrive on it!!! :grin:
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yer but when you drive an older gti like my mk2 its completely different my mk2 is like its on rails.. and mk4 imo just wallowed without plenty of mods like coilovers.. rear arb.. etc etc.. thats just my opinion.. and technically i still drive one but the leon seems a bit more sporty if that makes sense
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Completely. I like the Golf because of how good all round it is. If I wanted to have nothing but handling, Id have got a teg and if Id wanted lots of power but lots of fuel, Id have got an M3. The golf is a thinking mans car..... Seats are similar but Im not into them. No offence to yours, its a nice colour etc but the wrong fuel :grin:
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cheers for the replys so far guys
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If I had the cash to do it again, Id go for springs and shocks instead of spoilovers like a shot! Far comfier and less stress on the rims on crap roads and no worries about banging the sump and setting the height etc
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your right mate i miss the green pump and wana get it back
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you know it makes sence :evil:
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just not getting another VAG :lipsrsealed:
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are you still here?
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mk2 golf and the seat is vag.. so yer lol
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:grin:
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On behalf of a friend, whats the lows on this and have you pics of mk4's at 40mm on 18" rims
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2087/ch1m.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/ch1m.jpg/)
cheers :cool:
Yeah thanks for starting this off for me Brad :smiley:
At the mo am undecided on coilovers or shocks and springs. If I can get the shocks and springs to look like this height in the pic then I would do this because this is the perfect height and I wouldn't be sacrificing too much of my ride because coilover are quite harsh.
On the other hand, with springs, I would want the drop to look like this otherwise there's no ajusting them...
Am running 18" wheels at the mo, any more input would be great :smiley:
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Yeah, send me your new shocks and springs in exchange for my spoilovers!!! :grin:
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Yeah, send me your new shocks and springs in exchange for my spoilovers!!! :grin:
am the same as you, although you can adjust coilovers the roads are really bad rounf my way and I don't want my ride to be hard. I like standard suspension for comfort just wish it was lower...
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Id rather a little comfort than an undrivable car on its ass! Go for decent shocks and springs mate :smiley:
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As posted switch to a quality spring / shock kit.
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I would say that drop is 45-50mm, gorgeous car to choose though aswell so you like its looks more anyway haha
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As posted switch to a quality spring / shock kit.
this is what i think he should do as he thinks mine is a hard drive, and he aint been init since iv droped it even more recently :laugh:
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I recommend shocks & springs as well ..i have a Koni sport kit on mine you can adjust the ride quality. Mine look a little high in my sig pic as the suspension has to settle back down after fitting the new wheels but you see in this old pic mine sits just low enough.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/kerrse/car-pic-5.jpg)
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I would say that drop is 45-50mm, gorgeous car to choose though aswell so you like its looks more anyway haha
hmm Wonder if he had to change the ARB.
People are saying you can get away with 40mm with a standard ARB.
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I recommend shocks & springs as well ..i have a Koni sport kit on mine you can adjust the ride quality.
How low is yours mate? are you running 18" wheels also?
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I recommend shocks & springs as well ..i have a Koni sport kit on mine you can adjust the ride quality.
How low is yours mate? are you running 18" wheels also?
just edited my last post with a pic of my car before the wheels change.
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I recommend shocks & springs as well ..i have a Koni sport kit on mine you can adjust the ride quality. Mine look a little high in my sig pic as the suspension has to settle back down after fitting the new wheels but you see in this old pic mine sits just low enough.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/kerrse/car-pic-5.jpg)
yeah that looks perfect too, just right that (for me personally).
So how low is that? 40mm?
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So how low is that? 40mm?
I havent got a clue sorry :undecided:
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ok, i Have taken some pics of the gaps between the tire and arch. The front suspension seems to be lower than the rear. Is that because of the weight of the engine?
Here are the pics.
Front left
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2003/frontleftt.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/frontleftt.jpg/)
Front right
(http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/4566/frontright.jpg) (http://img858.imageshack.us/i/frontright.jpg/)
Back left
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6056/backlefts.jpg) (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/backlefts.jpg/)
Back right
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/6651/backright.jpg) (http://img859.imageshack.us/i/backright.jpg/)
What do you guys think? I think it might be worth replacing both front and rear top mounts for a start then lower it.
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It is in my case with a diesel :grin: although mine looks the same i expect the weight of my twin sub levels it out. :cool:
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loving the pics caine haha :grin:
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What do you guys think? I think it might be worth replacing both front and rear top mounts for a start then lower it.
I would replace the top mounts when you fit the susp kit. :smiley:
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What do you guys think? I think it might be worth replacing both front and rear top mounts for a start then lower it.
I would replace the top mounts when you fit the susp kit. :smiley:
This is a defo :wink: got to be done
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
If I use shocks and springs will the front still look different to the back?
I want them to look the same on each arch.
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loving the pics caine haha :grin:
ha ha I know mate. :smiley:
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
If I use shocks and springs will the front still look different to the back?
I want them to look the same on each arch.
Only way is to get coil-overs to guarantee that
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
If I use shocks and springs will the front still look different to the back?
I want them to look the same on each arch.
Only way is to get coil-overs to guarantee that
Do you think replacing the front and back top mounts first on my standard suspension might make the current standard suspension sit right on both front and back aches?
Then I would know if the drop would go right with the shocks and springs solution.
hmmm problems problems :laugh:
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
If I use shocks and springs will the front still look different to the back?
I want them to look the same on each arch.
Only way is to get coil-overs to guarantee that
Do you think replacing the front and back top mounts first on my standard suspension might make the current standard suspension sit right on both front and back aches?
Then I would know if the drop would go right with the shocks and springs solution.
hmmm problems problems :laugh:
I replaced the entire suspension on my old Golf and there was still a difference between the front and back
I replaced the top mounts, shocks and springs
If you can lighten your engine you might get it level :grin: :grin:
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
If I use shocks and springs will the front still look different to the back?
I want them to look the same on each arch.
Only way is to get coil-overs to guarantee that
Do you think replacing the front and back top mounts first on my standard suspension might make the current standard suspension sit right on both front and back aches?
Then I would know if the drop would go right with the shocks and springs solution.
hmmm problems problems :laugh:
I replaced the entire suspension on my old Golf and there was still a difference between the front and back
I replaced the top mounts, shocks and springs
If you can lighten your engine you might get it level :grin: :grin:
or put afew rocks in the boot :grin:
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On behalf of a friend, whats the lows on this and have you pics of mk4's at 40mm on 18" rims
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2087/ch1m.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/ch1m.jpg/)
cheers :cool:
This guy must be running coilovers to get it like that...
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
As i said before on the phone mate, the rear shocks are not as tall as the fronts, nor are the springs, the car should be level all round if you park on a flat surface, a fixed rate kit of say 40 mill shoulleave the car level all round but 40 mill down..
id say theirs some other issues if your car is not level, either that or your eyes playing tricks,
measure the bottom of the sill (to the ground - on level surface) just infront of the rear wheel and again just behind the front wheel. let me know the results
if you cant do this ill do it whn i see you
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
As i said before on the phone mate, the rear shocks are not as tall as the fronts, nor are the springs, the car should be level all round if you park on a flat surface, a fixed rate kit of say 40 mill shoulleave the car level all round but 40 mill down..
id say theirs some other issues if your car is not level, either that or your eyes playing tricks,
measure the bottom of the sill (to the ground - on level surface) just infront of the rear wheel and again just behind the front wheel. let me know the results
if you cant do this ill do it whn i see you
Yeah will prob bring it up to yours this weekend at somepoint and we can take a proper look.
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On behalf of a friend, whats the lows on this and have you pics of mk4's at 40mm on 18" rims
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2087/ch1m.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/ch1m.jpg/)
cheers :cool:
This guy must be running coilovers to get it like that...
Not always, a lowering kit is designed to lower the car level if that make sense.
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On behalf of a friend, whats the lows on this and have you pics of mk4's at 40mm on 18" rims
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/2087/ch1m.jpg) (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/ch1m.jpg/)
cheers :cool:
This guy must be running coilovers to get it like that...
Not always, a lowering kit is designed to lower the car level if that make sense.
yeah the problem I have is that from my pics is that the front is 10-15mm lower than the back.
Am scared that if I pay xxxx for some shocks and spring I will be in the same postion, but only lower... Then am stuck with it.
Has anyone else had this issue? or had a drop that hasn't gone right on shocks and springs?
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Mate how many time lol, if you junk the old suspension, the new kit will all be level, yours is obv foobard, when i got my mk3 the front passenger side was higher than the rest of the car (very very noticable) after new kit was lobbed on all was level
get the kit, and the top mounts and all is well. then get the camber done and terry is your auntys brother
bring it down mate, im DJing tonight and sat night (all nighter) but im not having a messy one so ill be alive
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Yeah, send me your new shocks and springs in exchange for my spoilovers!!! :grin:
What coilovers are you running mate?
Whats the problems you are having with them?
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As i said before on the phone mate, the rear shocks are not as tall as the fronts, nor are the springs, the car should be level all round if you park on a flat surface, a fixed rate kit of say 40 mill shoulleave the car level all round but 40 mill down..
id say theirs some other issues if your car is not level, either that or your eyes playing tricks,
measure the bottom of the sill (to the ground - on level surface) just infront of the rear wheel and again just behind the front wheel. let me know the results
if you cant do this ill do it whn i see you
wrong. all mk4s are higher at the back. its how they where designed only way to get over it is to fit coilovers
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higher back than front = stance!!!!! :laugh: :laugh:
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higher back than front = stance!!!!! :laugh: :laugh:
Higher back than front = rake,stance is a whole different ball game :tongue:
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From the pics there seems to be a 15 to 20mm difference from the front to back?
If I use shocks and springs will the front still look different to the back?
I want them to look the same on each arch.
Only way is to get coil-overs to guarantee that
Do you think replacing the front and back top mounts first on my standard suspension might make the current standard suspension sit right on both front and back aches?
Then I would know if the drop would go right with the shocks and springs solution.
hmmm problems problems :laugh:
I replaced the entire suspension on my old Golf and there was still a difference between the front and back
I replaced the top mounts, shocks and springs
If you can lighten your engine you might get it level :grin: :grin:
or put afew rocks in the boot :grin:
Maybe this is why then, cause mk4's fronts are lower then the backs.
Can you put a pic up of your car mate from side on? would like to see it out of intrest.
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As i said before on the phone mate, the rear shocks are not as tall as the fronts, nor are the springs, the car should be level all round if you park on a flat surface, a fixed rate kit of say 40 mill shoulleave the car level all round but 40 mill down..
id say theirs some other issues if your car is not level, either that or your eyes playing tricks,
measure the bottom of the sill (to the ground - on level surface) just infront of the rear wheel and again just behind the front wheel. let me know the results
if you cant do this ill do it whn i see you
wrong. all mk4s are higher at the back. its how they where designed only way to get over it is to fit coilovers
Can anyone confirm this, are all mk4's higher at the back then they are at the front?
If so, why are they?
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Because their pretty gash.....
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Because their pretty gash.....
yeah but why are they? they are plenty of people running coilovers who like them.
You can't just say they are gash and then just leave it, why are they gash? for what reason?
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Im running coilovers to attempt to make my golf handle and look better due to the back being so high. Its just how their designed. Their a comfy family vehicle more than a road race car like a GTI should be
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maybe if you got a full car with the shopping in the boot it might sit level?
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Bags of cement in boot work well :grin: :grin:
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Or a dead cow :grin: :grin:
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Im running coilovers to attempt to make my golf handle and look better due to the back being so high. Its just how their designed. Their a comfy family vehicle more than a road race car like a GTI should be
What coilovers you running? are they a harsh ride?
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Ive heard coilies are harsher than springs and shocks mate.im havin shocks and springs put on mine in the mornin.
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Ive heard coilies are harsher than springs and shocks mate.im havin shocks and springs put on mine in the mornin.
cool, what make are they? how far you dropping?
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Im running coilovers to attempt to make my golf handle and look better due to the back being so high. Its just how their designed. Their a comfy family vehicle more than a road race car like a GTI should be
What coilovers you running? are they a harsh ride?
I got FK gay K's which seem ok but are crap on the quickly declining condition of roads that are local to me. On maintained roads their all good but then so is any suspension but on a bumpy road its a bit jumpy and skippy. Never ever gonna be as good as similar cars with independant rear suspension.....
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above is the golfs biggest down fall it should have independent rear suspension would improve the car 10 fold... have the new golfs got independent ??
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The heavy 4mo had it, i cant see why they thought the rear beam was a good idea. Maybe the designers fancied an early day!
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well its not a hard design is it its been tried and tested for donkey years
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Cost and maintenance factors into why they did a rear beam for the MK4.
Then VW went and nicked a few people from Ford who were involved with the Focus so MK5 etc onwards has independent rear suspension :nerd:
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If I had the cash to do it again, Id go for springs and shocks instead of spoilovers like a shot! Far comfier and less stress on the rims on crap roads and no worries about banging the sump and setting the height etc
Humm my cars got 130k suspenion so looking to refresh it all,Replacing the rear axle bushs and a few other bits and am now undecided regarding suspenion.The FK coilvers on ebay seem such a bargain its hard to resist!£145 brand new!
At the moment the car "bangs" a bit when hitting a bump but i'm not sure if its just the way they are or due to worn out suspenion completly standard besides 17in rims
Now I just wanna drop the car 20-30mm and retain the same qauilty of ride if not better (figured fresh suspension would be make a big differnce even if a lil lower)
But I hear alot of people saying what you say dude get springs/shocks over coilies!
but which set can you get for £150? the FK's are actually a half decent brand aswell!
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Sound cheap i paid about £400 for my Koni shocks & springs :shocked:
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK4-FK-COILOVERS-FIT-TURBO-BORA-2WD-/360345553304?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53e644c998
And these are the AK Set i think mr flash red gt has :wink:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FK-AK-STREET-Height-Adjustable-Coilovers-VW-Golf-Mk4-/270707379403?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f076acccb
Not sure if there the same and the first one jsut didn't mention the AK part but hay :D
I would use them at the MIN if i did get them 30mm's don't want anymore than that.Just wondering would they be a smoother/more quailty ride than springs and shocks at the same amount of drop..
humm
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Just read throughout this thread with great interest, my golf also has high mileage, 130k so changing suspension and all rubber bits for poly parts is on my list! Running standard 16's for the moment, so since lowering a golf is soooooo cheap am just gonna slam it n suck it n see till I decide between 18's or 19's :)
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Sound cheap i paid about £400 for my Koni shocks & springs :shocked:
yeah but mate, I think you get for what you pay for.
Theres no way I will put a pair of cheap coilovers or shocks and springs on my car.
How far have you lowered your car? have you got any more pics?