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Title: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 13:20
As said above but some people say different things
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 13:23
AUM AUM AUM AUM

Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 13:24
Some.people say Agu? As that is wat I have
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 13:25
agu and aum both have pros and cons..

AUM- has a better turbo fitted as standard that can be tuned to more than the k03.. k03 peaks at 197bhp and k03s can do 230-240bhp.. AUM has sh!te coil packs but other than that solid as a rock..

AGU- is prehistoric and so is the engineering <-- it hardly does wrong but has smaller turbo.. and sh!tty ignition amps which can fail and are expensive to replace..

I had a AUM and only got through one coil pack at £32.. stage 1 map running 221bhp and 230ft/lbs of torque  :smiley: :smiley:

was fun but juicey with my dodgey right foot..
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 13:26
what age is your car ??
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 13:28
Mine is on a late 2000 plate. Always wanted to get a bigger turbo. Is Agu good?
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 13:30
they are both good.. agu has a sh!t turbo fitted standard.. most people change to a k03s.. can be bought for £250

not sure on what engine you will have.. might be ARZ..

look at bottom left of the engine from the top it should be stamped.. or on sticker right handside of engine bay or spare tyre well..
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wayne on 22 February 2011, 13:32
From the threads on here I have mixed views but believe the AUM is the better choice.
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 13:34
BAM FTW !!  :laugh:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 13:36
I looked this morning and its an agu. I wil have to invest in a ko3s in a couple months as wana by little bits first. Like the boost gauge and ontercooler
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 13:37
standard intercooler is fine for up to stage 2 !!

get the k03s and a remap and you will be smiling all day long !!
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 14:07
Wel the previous owner said he had of remappd so all good :wink:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 14:09
he might have put k03s on it already then ??

k03s has 8blades and k03 has 12 i tihnk.. just pull tip off and count the blades..
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 14:20
How easy is it to get to it tho as it looks like an ass to get to
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Adam on 22 February 2011, 14:23
Or just get a camera and try and get a picture of the blue tag.
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 14:29
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: rio_gti on 22 February 2011, 14:32
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at


you couldnt be more wrong....... ARZ FTW!!!! (if i keep believing it i think its true)   :tongue:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 14:38
Ha!!!
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Adam on 22 February 2011, 14:38
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at

Amen
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 14:40
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at

Amen

Says the traitor  :rolleyes: :tongue:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Adam on 22 February 2011, 14:41
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at

Amen

Says the traitor  :rolleyes: :tongue:

Sorry' didn't you get rid of yours as well?!! :huh:  :grin:

VQ35DE engine FTW
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: jeynesey on 22 February 2011, 14:43
AGU FTW
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 14:45
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at

Amen

Says the traitor  :rolleyes: :tongue:

Sorry' didn't you get rid of yours as well?!! :huh:  :grin:

VQ35DE engine FTW

Yeah but I upgraded not down graded :tongue:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Adam on 22 February 2011, 14:47
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at

Amen

Says the traitor  :rolleyes: :tongue:

Sorry' didn't you get rid of yours as well?!! :huh:  :grin:

VQ35DE engine FTW

Yeah but I upgraded not down graded :tongue:

Evolutionary progression actually. Nothing wrong with a 2 seater 300bhp V6 RWD is there.
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Hulmie on 22 February 2011, 15:18
AGU & AUM both have there plus points and negative points. The ideal engine would be a mixture of parts from the engines plus other bits from a BAM engine
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wayne on 22 February 2011, 15:56
Both are sh!t

ASZ / ARL is where its at

Amen

Says the traitor  :rolleyes: :tongue:

Sorry' didn't you get rid of yours as well?!! :huh:  :grin:

VQ35DE engine FTW

Yeah but I upgraded not down graded :tongue:

Evolutionary progression actually. Nothing wrong with a 2 seater 300bhp V6 RWD is there.

Nope nothing wrong with it all apart from it drinks more than Oliver Reed  :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Lewisf1988-DUB on 22 February 2011, 17:18
The ideal engine would be a mixture of parts from the engines plus other bits from a BAM engine

such as....
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 17:35
AGU block.. BAM head.. K04 Turbo..
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 February 2011, 17:41
why is the BAM head better?
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 February 2011, 17:42
Will a BAM head fit my AGU straigh on?
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 17:49
From what ive read the BAM engine head is stronger.. it has VVT which is better than non VVT AGU... It can have the BAM manifold and k04 straight fitted..

Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Lewisf1988-DUB on 22 February 2011, 17:50
thought agu head was best due to larger ports or some pi$h
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 17:55
Right read more and have come to a conclusion...

forget what i last said..


BAM bottom end - Lower comp forged pistons.. and a stronger block..
AGU head - Larger ports because of lack of VVT
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 February 2011, 18:01
All this talk of AGU heads, i think we should all try and find one for sale and post a link   :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 February 2011, 19:14
Right read more and have come to a conclusion...

forget what i last said..


BAM bottom end - Lower comp forged pistons.. and a stronger block..
AGU head - Larger ports because of lack of VVT

 :kiss:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: rockmonkey69 on 22 February 2011, 21:08
AGU bottom end is stronger than BAM, only reason BAM has an alright safety margin is as said above, it has a lower compression than the AGU, AUM etc. AGU head is preferred for big turbo conversion over other heads because it's large port which means it should flow better, the VVT stands for nothing unless you want to keep the emissions down which was what it's designed to do - it has no real performance gains except for those who plan to get the VVT attack software which is questionable. There's also no reason why you couldn't run the big port AGU head and swap over AUM or BAM cams and cam chain tensioner over and still have VVT either.

It depends what you mean by which is better, if your going for ~300 bhp BAM, AGU and the weaker AUM bottom end will get you there but obviously the AGU providing bit more reliability. But after that your going to be changing the internals anyway. The only advantage with the BAM is that it's already got the ko4-02x turbo fitted so would be able to make 260-270 which is more than what the k03/s will give, but if your set on 300 then that stands for little too as your either going to have to go for a hybrid or a big turbo in which case changing the internals on would be suggested whatever block your running.
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:12
agu and aum both have pros and cons..

AUM- has a better turbo fitted as standard that can be tuned to more than the k03.. k03 peaks at 197bhp and k03s can do 230-240bhp.. AUM has sh!te coil packs but other than that solid as a rock..

AGU- is prehistoric and so is the engineering <-- it hardly does wrong but has smaller turbo.. and sh!tty ignition amps which can fail and are expensive to replace..

I had a AUM and only got through one coil pack at £32.. stage 1 map running 221bhp and 230ft/lbs of torque  :smiley: :smiley:

was fun but juicey with my dodgey right foot..

Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:

Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:14
£180 aint they ??

and yes a few times.. god i wish that thing would blow !!
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:15
£180 aint they ??

and yes a few times.. god i wish that thing would blow !!

lol i thought they were £100  :undecided:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:17
Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:



That's cos you hardly drive it  :tongue:

Fairly sure Wes priced one up recently and it was north or £150........
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:19
he drives it.. just like a tart lol
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:20
Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:



That's cos you hardly drive it  :tongue:

Fairly sure Wes priced one up recently and it was north or £150........

Brought it with 63k now 143k  :smug:  :laugh:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:20
he drives it.. just like a tart lol

Nope it gets used trust me  :laugh:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:21
Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:



That's cos you hardly drive it  :tongue:

Fairly sure Wes priced one up recently and it was north or £150........

Bought it with 63k now 143k  :smug:  :laugh:

You've had it since the dawn of time though  :laugh: :laugh:

Time for a change I reckon  :wink:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:23
he smells diesel on the horizon !!
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:23
Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:



That's cos you hardly drive it  :tongue:

Fairly sure Wes priced one up recently and it was north or £150........

Bought it with 63k now 143k  :smug:  :laugh:

You've had it since the dawn of time though  :laugh: :laugh:

Time for a change I reckon  :wink:

6 years IIRC  :undecided:

Na i dont want someone elses problems which is all i could afford  :cry:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:24
he smells diesel on the horizon !!

It will be  :wink:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:26
wooooo
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:28
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:29
thats a step backwards in my eyes  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:29
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:30
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......

Go on?
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wayne on 22 February 2011, 21:30
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......

Why do you say that  :smiley:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Organisys on 22 February 2011, 21:30
AGU is not the orrible DBW !

 :smiley:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:31
AGU is not the orrible DBW !

 :smiley:

:afro:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:34
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......

Go on?

My little toe has more power than one of them.  Deary me Rich  :sad: At least get something with a bit of poke!!
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wayne on 22 February 2011, 21:37
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......

Go on?

My little toe has more power than one of them.  Deary me Rich  :sad: At least get something with a bit of poke!!

Power is not everything  :grin: , I live with 95bhp all ok.
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:37
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......

Go on?

My little toe has more power than one of them.  Deary me Rich  :sad: At least get something with a bit of poke!!

Yeah i know  :sad: Will have to lose the poke in my next car got to start thinking about the future tbh

Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:38
wooooo

Polo bluemotion one day :cool:

That's a whole car of fail right there......

Go on?

My little toe has more power than one of them.  Deary me Rich  :sad: At least get something with a bit of poke!!

Power is not everything  :grin: , I live with 95bhp all ok.

Power IS everything!  :evil:

Going from a 190bhp Golf to a 0.9bhp Polo............ I rest my case  :laugh: :laugh:

Now if you're thinking of getting one for the missus then I can understand but if its for yourself then anything less than 170bhp is a waste of time  :grin: :grin:

Yeah i know  :sad: Will have to lose the poke in my next car got to start thinking about the future tbh

Future's fcuked anyway!! Life's too short!!

There's rumours of a 200bhp+ MK6.7575 derv  :shocked: :evil:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:39
the future has no power ~??
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:44
the future has no power ~??

Need cheap Tax, insurance(no mods), good MPG - want to buy a house

I dont need the power really - would be nice but hay ho  :smiley:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 February 2011, 21:46
Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:



That's cos you hardly drive it  :tongue:

Fairly sure Wes priced one up recently and it was north or £150........

£180 of your finest pounds for a genuine item. I declined

£60 for a non genuine amp, running sweet as a nut :nerd:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:47
Indeed  :grin:

How much are amps? did i say ive never changed mine?  :laugh:



That's cos you hardly drive it  :tongue:

Fairly sure Wes priced one up recently and it was north or £150........

£180 of your finest pounds for a genuine item. I declined

£60 for a non genuine amp, running sweet as a nut :nerd:

 :shocked: :afro:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:47
I was right  :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:48
I was right  :drool: :drool:

Still cheaper than buying coilpacks every week  :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:49
I got through one in a year so £32  :cool:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:50
the future has no power ~??

Need cheap Tax, insurance(no mods), good MPG - want to buy a house

I dont need the power really - would be nice but hay ho  :smiley:

£155 a year tex for my Audi, £400ish for insurance and 500+ miles (ish) to a tank.

And its quicker point to point than my Golf  :wink:

That's cheap and FUN motoring :afro:

I remember I bought the Golf BEFORE we bought our first house  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 21:55
the future has no power ~??

Need cheap Tax, insurance(no mods), good MPG - want to buy a house

I dont need the power really - would be nice but hay ho  :smiley:

£155 a year tex for my Audi, £400ish for insurance and 500+ miles (ish) to a tank.

And its quicker point to point than my Golf  :wink:

That's cheap and FUN motoring :afro:

I remember I bought the Golf BEFORE we bought our first house  :laugh: :laugh:

How much for the car though + i want £150 - £200 for insurance

As long as it gets me around thats all i need  :smiley:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:56
I pay cheaper tax than above but more insurance.. all mods declared 2k.. 250 excess..
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Rhyso on 22 February 2011, 21:57
the future has no power ~??

Need cheap Tax, insurance(no mods), good MPG - want to buy a house

I dont need the power really - would be nice but hay ho  :smiley:

£155 a year tex for my Audi, £400ish for insurance and 500+ miles (ish) to a tank.

And its quicker point to point than my Golf  :wink:

That's cheap and FUN motoring :afro:

I remember I bought the Golf BEFORE we bought our first house  :laugh: :laugh:

How much for the car though + i want £150 - £200 for insurance

As long as it gets me around thats all i need  :smiley:

It was cheap at the time  :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin:  £15,500 but its a long termer............

I forget you're an old man so you'll get cheaper insurance than me  :tongue:

You won't be saying that when you want to overtake a combine harvester but can't  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 21:58
 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 22:01
the future has no power ~??

Need cheap Tax, insurance(no mods), good MPG - want to buy a house

I dont need the power really - would be nice but hay ho  :smiley:

£155 a year tex for my Audi, £400ish for insurance and 500+ miles (ish) to a tank.

And its quicker point to point than my Golf  :wink:

That's cheap and FUN motoring :afro:

I remember I bought the Golf BEFORE we bought our first house  :laugh: :laugh:

How much for the car though + i want £150 - £200 for insurance

As long as it gets me around thats all i need  :smiley:

It was cheap at the time  :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin:  £15,500 but its a long termer............

I forget you're an old man so you'll get cheaper insurance than me  :tongue:

You won't be saying that when you want to overtake a combine harvester but can't  :laugh: :laugh:

lol i have a mini so i know what slow is  :grin:

I will be back in a turbo petrol whan i have a mid life crisis  :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: tech1889 on 22 February 2011, 22:04
Well not long then   :laugh: :laugh:

dont believe we have bumped this thread to 8 pages with spam lol
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: richw911 on 22 February 2011, 22:08
Well not long then   :laugh: :laugh:

dont believe we have bumped this thread to 8 pages with spam lol

 :tongue:

Indeed back on topic  :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 23:22
Wel who wud like to sell me there ko3s  :smiley:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Lewisf1988-DUB on 22 February 2011, 23:23
Wel who wud like to sell me there ko3s  :smiley:

300 and the one ive got here is yours :D haha
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 22 February 2011, 23:36
Cor blimy man! Lol
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: damien010685 on 22 February 2011, 23:42
Maybe a stupid question but are all 1.8T ........20 valves?
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wayne on 23 February 2011, 00:04
Maybe a stupid question but are all 1.8T ........20 valves?

Yes they are  :smiley: plus they also did a 1.8 20v non turbo
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: damien010685 on 23 February 2011, 01:07
Cheers wayne as always lol there should be a search engine www.wayne.com   :grin:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Lewisf1988-DUB on 23 February 2011, 07:38
Maybe a stupid question but are all 1.8T ........20 valves?

Yes they are  :smiley: plus they also did a 1.8 20v non turbo

aye and there pish lol
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: houston on 23 February 2011, 09:25
ok, take this thread off topic again, my k03s for sale, 200 quid! bargain, i'll be making a thread in the clasifieds later today.

back on topic, AGU  :cool:
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: Wayne on 23 February 2011, 09:36
Maybe a stupid question but are all 1.8T ........20 valves?

Yes they are  :smiley: plus they also did a 1.8 20v non turbo

aye and there pish lol

1.8 20v non turbo is a much better bet than the 2.0.
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: sillybollock on 23 February 2011, 10:06
200 quid thats good :). Didnt no my thread could make it to 9 pages ha!
Title: Re: is Agu or aum better
Post by: houston on 23 February 2011, 10:37
need the money for tyres, mot end of march, so cant really afford to have it now :cry: