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General => Detailing => Topic started by: nattyboomboom on 19 February 2011, 12:52
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Hi guys,
Just recently got a mk3 gti in europa blue mica (LZ5T), and was wandering if you have any suggestions on a good wax to use for this paint work. Am I right in thinking that with pearl and metallic paint you have to be careful with waxes/polishes?
I'm looking for a fairly quick and easy system and my budget would be about 30 quid. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
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This area might be more useful mate.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=56.0
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Hi guys,
Just recently got a mk3 gti in europa blue mica (LZ5T), and was wandering if you have any suggestions on a good wax to use for this paint work. Am I right in thinking that with pearl and metallic paint you have to be careful with waxes/polishes?
I'm looking for a fairly quick and easy system and my budget would be about 30 quid. Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
for vag paints and clearcotes its menzerna all the way, wax: dodojuice supernatural or purple haze
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In my opinion I would stay away from wax's and head for the polish. Your car has a clear coat over the base coat which was designed so that the sun would not fade your paint as quick however back in the old days and in old skool shops like the one I was working in the paints are single stage. Single stage paints provide all the shine but not very much protection from the sun so they would wax the crap out of em. Long story short the wax is an over kill and will end up leaving alot of buildup on your car. A good polish, not a wax, and some hard work will make your car pretty again! :nerd:
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clearcoates can fail and do fail even on new/newer cars, the modern sealants and carnauba waxes are perfect for protecting both finish types, they add uv protection and protect from contaminants like salt,bird poo,tree sap,air polution, etc etc.
not understanding why you think wax is an over kill :huh: and leaves alot of buildup of what?
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In my opinion I would stay away from wax's and head for the polish. Your car has a clear coat over the base coat which was designed so that the sun would not fade your paint as quick however back in the old days and in old skool shops like the one I was working in the paints are single stage. Single stage paints provide all the shine but not very much protection from the sun so they would wax the crap out of em. Long story short the wax is an over kill and will end up leaving alot of buildup on your car. A good polish, not a wax, and some hard work will make your car pretty again! :nerd:
:huh: WTF?
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In my opinion I would stay away from wax's and head for the polish. Your car has a clear coat over the base coat which was designed so that the sun would not fade your paint as quick however back in the old days and in old skool shops like the one I was working in the paints are single stage. Single stage paints provide all the shine but not very much protection from the sun so they would wax the crap out of em. Long story short the wax is an over kill and will end up leaving alot of buildup on your car. A good polish, not a wax, and some hard work will make your car pretty again! :nerd:
Whats this all about? Never use a wax , so why do they make them? :rolleyes:
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In my opinion I would stay away from wax's and head for the polish. Your car has a clear coat over the base coat which was designed so that the sun would not fade your paint as quick however back in the old days and in old skool shops like the one I was working in the paints are single stage. Single stage paints provide all the shine but not very much protection from the sun so they would wax the crap out of em. Long story short the wax is an over kill and will end up leaving alot of buildup on your car. A good polish, not a wax, and some hard work will make your car pretty again! :nerd:
NOOB!?!
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In my opinion I would stay away from wax's and head for the polish. Your car has a clear coat over the base coat which was designed so that the sun would not fade your paint as quick however back in the old days and in old skool shops like the one I was working in the paints are single stage. Single stage paints provide all the shine but not very much protection from the sun so they would wax the crap out of em. Long story short the wax is an over kill and will end up leaving alot of buildup on your car. A good polish, not a wax, and some hard work will make your car pretty again! :nerd:
Hmmm... Clear coat is a ceramic coating which in theory, should't need any further treatment... However, as correctly suggested by Purple Haze, it does degrade over time and sealants and waxes protect the paint, and also magnify the gloss brought about by polishing. Please correct me if im wrong but i would ALWAYS suggest to protect the paint with a sealant or wax.
If you dont want to apply and wait half an hour for it to cure, you could always use one of these "apply and walk off" products like GTeqniq C2 or Opti-seal which will use nano-technology to bond with the paint. I recently got some GTechniq C2 which i applied to my bonnet today, so i'm interested to see the level of protection/beading i get from it when it rains (which will inevitably be when i get it out of the garage tomorrow morning!)
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Ceramic coating? Never heard that before, i just thought clearcoat was like paint but without any colour? I know new Mercs have a ceramic element in the paint.
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http://www.waxamomo.co.uk/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=188&idcategory=9 (http://www.waxamomo.co.uk/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=188&idcategory=9)
There ya go mate, 2 in one :wink: I'll be purchasing this today I think lol!!
Looking forward too using this chris :cool:
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Ceramic coating? Never heard that before, i just thought clearcoat was like paint but without any colour? I know new Mercs have a ceramic element in the paint.
ceramic coating is alot harder than normal clearcoats and more resistant to scratching etc, normal clearcoat can be soft through to hard, hard being on the vag cars etc, and soft on stuff like jap motors.
ceramic although resistant to scratching can scratch and is a pain to correct but menzerna, wolfs polishes etc are now producing very high standard polishes to tackle these probs.
hope this helps
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Rmese, you know how too rub people the wrong way lol. Plenty of people on this forum pride themselves through detailing a car. So all your crap about not using wax is pretty poor. Do abit of research next time before you try giving advice, especially when its not really advice :shocked: dont be such a noob!
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Haze, thats like my old Colt, that was Jap in red. I was lazy with cleaning it, and the paint starting fading really bad, so luckily my mate a door or 2 away, gave me som colour restorer, works just like t-cut, but doesnt take as much of the paint in the process, and brung the paint back up too brand new. Obv the fading was caused in the first place due too my lack of cleaning the car, hence the dirt sinking into the paint too fade it lol!!! :cry:
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Haze, thats like my old Colt, that was Jap in red. I was lazy with cleaning it, and the paint starting fading really bad, so luckily my mate a door or 2 away, gave me som colour restorer, works just like t-cut, but doesnt take as much of the paint in the process, and brung the paint back up too brand new. Obv the fading was caused in the first place due too my lack of cleaning the car, hence the dirt sinking into the paint too fade it lol!!! :cry:
your old colt didnt have a clearcoat, the paint fades is caused by uv sun light bleaching the colour out then the contaminents attack the surface of the paint ie pitting it then the oxygen gets in and starts breaking down the paint which is whats coming off on your pad, sealants are the best way to stop this from happening, wax is for bling and beading and sealants offer better protection and longer durabilty.
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Wow! Thanks for the responses guys, really appreciated...
I've been reading some of the FAQs on here and I'm really surprised at the scale of this detailing lark! I reckon I'm gonna go for the need for speed - it seems like a good all in one product and pretty quick too.
Any suggestions on how/what I should clean her with first? My idea was to go for the two bucket method with mitt and use a standard car shampoo then dry off. Will I notice any difference if I use a slightly better shampoo?
Also my plastic and rubber trims are a bit faded, will back to black do the job? I read about peanut oil being used, anyone tried it? Do you do your plastics before or after polishing?
I'm sorry if these questions may seem a bit stupid, I just need a few pointers really...I'm a total novice at this.
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A quality shampoo like Dodo Juice Born to be Mild is what I would recommend, can't really buy better than this and it's only £8.95 for 250ml, any shampoo will be fine though (within reason).
Dress your plastic trim last, something like Chemical Guy's New Look Trim Gel is what I use, never tried back to black or peanut butter sorry.
Don't apologise for the questions, keep them coming, better that than doing something wrong :smiley:
Chris
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Thanks Chris,
I think I'll give them a go.
This will be my list so far then:-
Dodo Juice Need For Speed
Dodo Juice Born To Be Mild
Chemical Guys New Look Trim Gel
Wash mitt
Microfibre cloth(s)
I reckon I've gone a bit over budget but it'll probably be worth it! Just need to order up some decent weather from somewhere...
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Do you already have the back to black you mentioned? If so, cancel the New Look Trim Gel from the list.
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Thanks Chris,
I think I'll give them a go.
This will be my list so far then:-
Dodo Juice Need For Speed
Dodo Juice Born To Be Mild
Chemical Guys New Look Trim Gel
Wash mitt
Microfibre cloth(s)
I reckon I've gone a bit over budget but it'll probably be worth it! Just need to order up some decent weather from somewhere...
The thing to bare in mind is that although the products your buying are a little bit more expensive initially, they will last considerably longer than most cheaper alternatives, so it'll all come out in the wash! (pun intended :embarassed:) :wink:
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Can save a few pennies from asda, if they still have the deal on the microfibre cloth and mits :smiley:
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Thanks Chris,
I think I'll give them a go.
This will be my list so far then:-
Dodo Juice Need For Speed
Dodo Juice Born To Be Mild
Chemical Guys New Look Trim Gel
Wash mitt
Microfibre cloth(s)
I reckon I've gone a bit over budget but it'll probably be worth it! Just need to order up some decent weather from somewhere...
I'm just about too try doing a decent wash next week mate, I'm gona attempt too use clay, lol!!! fingers crossed!
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Nice work, let me know how you get on with the clay. Just ordered my bits from waxamomo and think I'll pop down to Asda like you suggest. I love a bargain! :wink:
Thanks again to everyone for the help, I think its safe to wax then lol! :grin:
Whats the weather like next week? Any chance of some sun?
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Nice work, let me know how you get on with the clay. Just ordered my bits from waxamomo and think I'll pop down to Asda like you suggest. I love a bargain! :wink:
Thanks again to everyone for the help, I think its safe to wax then lol! :grin:
Whats the weather like next week? Any chance of some sun?
If you want a al bargain, popped into B&Q today and find they are doing buy two get one free deals n all their car cleaning products including Autoglym.
Well worth a visit IMO.
Jim
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Wow! Just picked up 16, yes 16! microfibre cloths for £3 at asda. That's what I call a bargain! :wink:
Thanks to Chris from Waxamomo for sending the other bits over as well.
Next stop B&Q....