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Title: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 14 February 2011, 16:23
Hi all

Just after some help if at all possible. Havent really searched this as i am not 100% sure what to search for, but i have just put 17" wheels on my car and slammed the coilers to the limit. Looks very good, or i think so anyway, but when on full lock im a getting a rubbing/grinding type noise. It is fine when driving, just on full lock. I have checked the adjuster rings which arent touching (although would rub all the time if the case), but am unsure what else it could be.

I wont have time to check until the weekend so was hoping someone could throw some suggestions in there. Could it be the ARB rubbing on full lock? I have read they can rub on extreme lowering but i wasnt sure if it would do it all the time if it was rubbing.

Cheers

David
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: daz veedub on 14 February 2011, 16:30
driveshaft on arb unless u have the adjustable droplinks , tyre rubbing on arches
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: jonnyturbo on 14 February 2011, 16:31
Yep its your anti roll bar catching the drive shaft happens if you go lower than 45mm
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 14 February 2011, 16:38
Thought it could be, just hoping it wasnt! So this doesnt happen when driving then? Only when on full lock?
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: daz veedub on 14 February 2011, 16:47
depends how low, adjustable droplinks on ebay only £30 and easy to fit
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 14 February 2011, 17:09
I think i may have to invest in some then.

Anyone think it will be causing major damage if it only rubs on full lock?
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 14 February 2011, 19:37
Right i have had a quick look tonight and can see there is rubbing on the driveshaft so i assume it is on the ARB, weird thing is that when the car is stationary it looks like there is loads of space, any reason for that???

I have read that on coilovers people remove the ARB to overcome this as the coilovers are stiff enough to not need an ARB. Anyone have any experience with this? I was thinking about doing it as my car isnt exactly fast, i dont slam it round corners and dont use it for the track!

Any info appreciated!

Cheers

David
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: Steve_PD on 14 February 2011, 20:19
just get some adjustable droplinks. easier and quicker than taking the arb out and safer
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: Wayne on 14 February 2011, 21:13
Right i have had a quick look tonight and can see there is rubbing on the driveshaft so i assume it is on the ARB, weird thing is that when the car is stationary it looks like there is loads of space, any reason for that???

I have read that on coilovers people remove the ARB to overcome this as the coilovers are stiff enough to not need an ARB. Anyone have any experience with this? I was thinking about doing it as my car isnt exactly fast, i dont slam it round corners and dont use it for the track!

Any info appreciated!

Cheers

David


Easier and better as steve said to fit adjustable droplinks
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 14 February 2011, 21:25
How do the shorter droplinks work? Surely that moves the ARB closer to the driveshaft?
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: T_J_G on 14 February 2011, 21:37
Or look into fitting a TT arb that goes under the drive shaft.
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: Steve_PD on 14 February 2011, 22:08
do you need anything else to fit the tt ones?
my arb goes under the drive-shaft and its adjustable
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: daz veedub on 15 February 2011, 19:30
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FK-Adjustable-Drop-Links-VW-Golf-MK4-Bora-Platform-/290498155016?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43a30a1208
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 23 February 2011, 08:54
Hi all

I thought i would continue this thread rather the starting a new one.

Since having the noise of full lock and after further investigation decided it was the ARB as my car is slammed, i removed the ARB to see which it has helped, no noise of full lock etc. I had hardly any noise for a couple of days but today when i was driving to work i can here more noise, again rubbing type noise! Can anyone advise me what else it can possible be? I have checked the drive shaft on the chassis when the car is on the ground and it is pretty close but note close enough to get a constant noise like i am experiencing, it would only be an intermittant noise.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 23 February 2011, 09:23
Wouldnt advise no arb, just raise It until you can afford a better one.
I used FK adjustable drop links as I had rubbing over bumps (1.8 t on jom coilovers) but theese made the rubbing worse as were longer than the ones on their.
Safest, most practical option really is new arb in my opinion     

The ARB isnt an issue now, it has been removed to eliminate noises and will be upgraded with a Whiteline or R32 ARB, and as there is no ARB it cant be the droplinks. Since removing the ARB i havent noticed any handling differences at all, but saying that it will be replaced.

My query is what else could be causing the rubbing?
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: T_J_G on 23 February 2011, 10:32
You running front spacers?
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 23 February 2011, 11:36
see if the chsis is marked where the driveshaft would touch,
anything rubbing must be something moving, so brakes, wheel on arches, wheel on coilovers.
dont forget coilovers settle after a while and go abit lower.
try turning it up a couple notches see if it elimantes the problem.

on a side note, does the front arb really make no difference as far as you can tell? thought it would handle like a box of jelly? do you have a strut brace or anything?



I will have a look at the rubbing at the weekend, weather is so poor at the moment here. The driveshaft when stationary is not that close to the chassis so although over bumps may hit it i wouldnt have thought it would constantly rub when driving.

I honestly havent noticed any difference at all, i have no other bracing i.e. strut brace. I wouldnt do it on standard suspension, but coilovers stiffen things up. Just look at kit cars, my Dad built one and they have no ARBS at all and run fine. Obviously completely up to the owner but im happy to run without one for the time being until i sort the rubbing out.

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You running front spacers?

I have 5mm spacers on the front mate so the adjusters should rub, and it only appears to be on the drivers side.
Title: Re: Noise On Full Lock
Post by: MK4D4VE on 23 February 2011, 12:08
Driver side driveshaft is Much thicker than passenger side, so probably something to do with dtiveshaft

Thats what i am swaying to. Bloody annoying, i have lowered loads of cars and never had the problems you experience with the MK4.