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Title: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: JC on 09 February 2011, 16:34
We have a problem.  :cry:

The STUD that is part of the bracket sheared on one side  aka

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4116.jpg)

So, anyone removed and replaced the WHOLE bracket before

HELP,

Thanks in advance

PS, Mk1 goof forum is down at the moment if the links on there  :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 16:38
and also... on the front of that bracket that holds the wishbone bush in place... how are the bolts mounted... if they shear too are they easy to replace?
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: rubjonny on 09 February 2011, 16:59
its only those 2 nuts that hold the bracket to the car ;)
crazyquiff i think supplies new brackets?
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: JC on 09 February 2011, 17:01
CQs only do the OUTER brackets according to the website RJ  :undecided:

and to confirm, clean all the underseal off the 2 nutz and then the whole lot will come away ?

and more importantly, are they accessable inside if they start spinning ?
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 17:03
its only those 2 nuts that hold the bracket to the car ;)
crazyquiff i think supplies new brackets?

there is a replacement bracket in the wishbone kit that came from GSF

question is.. we got cautious and wondered what would happen should the bolts shear like the other ones did?
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: JC on 09 February 2011, 17:12
right then, excuse the dodgy arrows,

we have the BLUE arrowed  bracket in the kit

we need the RED arrowed bracket - or at least to confirm that it will come off when i drop the 2 nutz

(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/chuffs69/DSCF4117-1.jpg)

cos if needs be i can remove the sheared stud and fit a nut and bolt  :smug:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 17:56
CQs only do the OUTER brackets according to the website RJ  :undecided:

and to confirm, clean all the underseal off the 2 nutz and then the whole lot will come away ?

and more importantly, are they accessable inside if they start spinning ?

How long are you boys online for... i'll go and uncover mine and have a peak if you like?
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 18:03
CQs only do the OUTER brackets according to the website RJ  :undecided:

and to confirm, clean all the underseal off the 2 nutz and then the whole lot will come away ?

and more importantly, are they accessable inside if they start spinning ?

How long are you boys online for... i'll go and uncover mine and have a peak if you like?

oh you know... couple of years... maybe... until the mk7 is out at least

Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 18:07
Gimme 20 mins or so, need to get out of my work clober.  :wink:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 18:58
Ok so I did what I could to see what the crack is as all my carpets and soundproofing is still out.

Firstly, if you go down the nut and bolt trick to reuse the bracket then i'd use something like this, possibly get it welded on if you know someone..

(http://www.recotools.com/product/norway1.jpg)

There's no clearance between the bracket and the floor for a normal bolt.

Secondly, as far as being able to replace the two studs with bolts should they sheer, i'd say good luck with that.  Looks like they are welded in studs with no access unless you cut the floor.  Sadly these studs are in a place where the floor splits into 2 skins leading up to the bulkhead.  There is a grommit hole in the interior floor skin by the heater matrix area as the floor ramps up to the bulk head, I can clearly see the second skin.  :sad: My advice, soak the sh*t out of the nuts with WD overnight and be very gentle with them when trying to undo.

Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 19:06
Oh and FYI, once those nuts are off the whole lot should come off with it unless its rusted on.

(http://www.ednotley.com/screw/images/jpegs/Fitting_Front_Bushes_3.jpg)

Below you can see what they look like when removed.

You can also see that the stud that's sheered is like the bolt I posted, held in place by two spot welds.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/yousafn/more%20pics/DSC01427.jpg)
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 19:09
Ok so I did what I could to see what the crack is as all my carpets and soundproofing is still out.

Firstly, if you go down the nut and bolt trick to reuse the bracket then i'd use something like this, possibly get it welded on if you know someone..

(http://www.recotools.com/product/norway1.jpg)

There's no clearance between the bracket and the floor for a normal bolt.

Secondly, as far as being able to replace the two studs with bolts should they sheer, i'd say good luck with that.  Looks like they are welded in studs with no access unless you cut the floor.  Sadly these studs are in a place where the floor splits into 2 skins leading up to the bulkhead.  There is a grommit hole in the interior floor skin by the heater matrix area as the floor ramps up to the bulk head, I can clearly see the second skin.  :sad: My advice, soak the sh*t out of the nuts with WD overnight and be very gentle with them when trying to undo.



thanks shaun

so... its possible to access this area by lifting the carpet up?  thats easy enough...

hmmm... balls... just had a thought that I dynamatted the mk1 footwells :/
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 19:39

Secondly, as far as being able to replace the two studs with bolts should they sheer, i'd say good luck with that.  Looks like they are welded in studs with no access unless you cut the floor.  Sadly these studs are in a place where the floor splits into 2 skins leading up to the bulkhead.  There is a grommit hole in the interior floor skin by the heater matrix area as the floor ramps up to the bulk head, I can clearly see the second skin.  :sad: My advice, soak the sh*t out of the nuts with WD overnight and be very gentle with them when trying to undo.



thanks shaun

so... its possible to access this area by lifting the carpet up?  thats easy enough...

hmmm... balls... just had a thought that I dynamatted the mk1 footwells :/

No.... sorry mate. read it again.

Does that make sense?... there is nothing to see from inside the car.
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 21:40

Secondly, as far as being able to replace the two studs with bolts should they sheer, i'd say good luck with that.  Looks like they are welded in studs with no access unless you cut the floor.  Sadly these studs are in a place where the floor splits into 2 skins leading up to the bulkhead.  There is a grommit hole in the interior floor skin by the heater matrix area as the floor ramps up to the bulk head, I can clearly see the second skin.  :sad: My advice, soak the sh*t out of the nuts with WD overnight and be very gentle with them when trying to undo.



thanks shaun

so... its possible to access this area by lifting the carpet up?  thats easy enough...

hmmm... balls... just had a thought that I dynamatted the mk1 footwells :/

No.... sorry mate. read it again.

Does that make sense?... there is nothing to see from inside the car.

yep... makes sense now... at least the dynamat is staying intact!!  :grin:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 21:47

Secondly, as far as being able to replace the two studs with bolts should they sheer, i'd say good luck with that.  Looks like they are welded in studs with no access unless you cut the floor.  Sadly these studs are in a place where the floor splits into 2 skins leading up to the bulkhead.  There is a grommit hole in the interior floor skin by the heater matrix area as the floor ramps up to the bulk head, I can clearly see the second skin.  :sad: My advice, soak the sh*t out of the nuts with WD overnight and be very gentle with them when trying to undo.



thanks shaun

so... its possible to access this area by lifting the carpet up?  thats easy enough...

hmmm... balls... just had a thought that I dynamatted the mk1 footwells :/

No.... sorry mate. read it again.

Does that make sense?... there is nothing to see from inside the car.

yep... makes sense now... at least the dynamat is staying intact!!  :grin:

Yep.... Just hope none of these sheer and Chuff ends up cutting your floor up to put bolts in!  :grin:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 21:57

Secondly, as far as being able to replace the two studs with bolts should they sheer, i'd say good luck with that.  Looks like they are welded in studs with no access unless you cut the floor.  Sadly these studs are in a place where the floor splits into 2 skins leading up to the bulkhead.  There is a grommit hole in the interior floor skin by the heater matrix area as the floor ramps up to the bulk head, I can clearly see the second skin.  :sad: My advice, soak the sh*t out of the nuts with WD overnight and be very gentle with them when trying to undo.



thanks shaun

so... its possible to access this area by lifting the carpet up?  thats easy enough...

hmmm... balls... just had a thought that I dynamatted the mk1 footwells :/

No.... sorry mate. read it again.

Does that make sense?... there is nothing to see from inside the car.

yep... makes sense now... at least the dynamat is staying intact!!  :grin:

Yep.... Just hope none of these sheer and Chuff ends up cutting your floor up to put bolts in!  :grin:

in short... lube it and gently does it!!  :grin:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 22:01
You've got it... I had no end of stuff siezed on mine after being stood for so long... Anything I wanted to undo was always plastered in WD40 the day before.. touch wood, I haven't snapped anything yet...  Wait till I do some work on my ARBs...  :lipsrsealed: then i'll take back everything i've said!  :grin:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 22:15
You've got it... I had no end of stuff siezed on mine after being stood for so long... Anything I wanted to undo was always plastered in WD40 the day before.. touch wood, I haven't snapped anything yet...  Wait till I do some work on my ARBs...  :lipsrsealed: then i'll take back everything i've said!  :grin:

chuff... you heard the man... lube it up big boy!   :grin:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: SoundillusioN on 09 February 2011, 22:34
You've got it... I had no end of stuff siezed on mine after being stood for so long... Anything I wanted to undo was always plastered in WD40 the day before.. touch wood, I haven't snapped anything yet...  Wait till I do some work on my ARBs...  :lipsrsealed: then i'll take back everything i've said!  :grin:

chuff... you heard the man... lube it up big boy!   :grin:

Then carry on with the car.......  :lipsrsealed:  :grin:
Title: Re: Rivage cab INNER Anti roll bar brackets
Post by: Guy on 09 February 2011, 22:46
You've got it... I had no end of stuff siezed on mine after being stood for so long... Anything I wanted to undo was always plastered in WD40 the day before.. touch wood, I haven't snapped anything yet...  Wait till I do some work on my ARBs...  :lipsrsealed: then i'll take back everything i've said!  :grin:

chuff... you heard the man... lube it up big boy!   :grin:

Then carry on with the car.......  :lipsrsealed:  :grin:

oooh matron!  :grin: