GolfGTIforum.co.uk
Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: am1w on 06 February 2011, 14:21
-
Out of interest, can anyone kindly provide me prices for the Dynaudio loudspeakers and the speaker covers for mid-bass and tweeter units for front and rear, please?
Below are some part numbers.
•5K0 035 456 - amp
•2x 1K8 035 411 C - rear door tweeters
•4x 5K0 035 453 - woofers
•2x 5K0 837 986 B or 1K8 035 411 B - pillar tweeters. ETKA does not show which!!
•1x 1K0 035 883 C - support ??
•1x 1K0 035 933 - support/mount ??
•1x 1K0 971 813B 9B9 - amp cover
•6x N 023 002 13 - nuts ??
•909 674 01 N ??
Thanks
Information taken from: http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,96.0.html
-
IIRC the dynaudio speakers are driven active so you will need 8 amp channels for them or custom passives making. The midbass door grills are the same. The sail panel there are two different grill types. The older one with the red line under dynaudio and the all crome labeled one. The midbass units are rivetted to the door.
-
IIRC the dynaudio speakers are driven active so you will need 8 amp channels for them or custom passives making. The midbass door grills are the same. The sail panel there are two different grill types. The older one with the red line under dynaudio and the all crome labeled one. The midbass units are rivetted to the door.
This I did not know. :rolleyes:
Thanks Snoops.
I could go mad and Bi-amp the passive set-up with second 4 channel amplifier. :rolleyes:
-
Out of interest, can anyone kindly provide me prices for the Dynaudio loudspeakers and the speaker covers for mid-bass and tweeter units for front and rear, please?
Below are some part numbers.
•5K0 035 456 - amp
•2x 1K8 035 411 C - rear door tweeters £48.90
•4x 5K0 035 453 - woofers £77.39
•2x 5K0 837 986 B or 1K8 035 411 B £48.90- pillar tweeters. ETKA does not show which!!
•1x 1K0 035 883 C £5.98- support ??
•1x 1K0 035 933 - support/mount ??
•1x 1K0 971 813B 9B9 £3.43- amp cover
•6x N 023 002 13 - nuts ??
•909 674 01 N ??
Thanks
Information taken from: http://www.mk6golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,96.0.html
Those are the bits I could find, prices are for a single item and you need to add VAT..
-
Thanks mike. :smiley:
When I asked the VW dealership, before I specced the car, whether the system was an active one, I was provided a categorical NO. :rolleyes:
-
IIRC the dynaudio speakers are driven active so you will need 8 amp channels for them or custom passives making. The midbass door grills are the same. The sail panel there are two different grill types. The older one with the red line under dynaudio and the all crome labeled one. The midbass units are rivetted to the door.
This I did not know. :rolleyes:
Thanks Snoops.
I could go mad and Bi-amp the passive set-up with second 4 channel amplifier. :rolleyes:
Or even better knock the rear speakers on the head and use the rear channels to power the tweeters in the front.
We all love a forward soundstage :-)
-
IIRC the dynaudio speakers are driven active so you will need 8 amp channels for them or custom passives making. The midbass door grills are the same. The sail panel there are two different grill types. The older one with the red line under dynaudio and the all crome labeled one. The midbass units are rivetted to the door.
This I did not know. :rolleyes:
Thanks Snoops.
I could go mad and Bi-amp the passive set-up with second 4 channel amplifier. :rolleyes:
Or even better knock the rear speakers on the head and use the rear channels to power the tweeters in the front.
We all love a forward soundstage :-)
The rear speakers produce a bit of needed ambience. I have heard them with the new power amp and they are very much clearer and are effective. As I carry passengers, they appreciate the rear stereo effects.
-
•2x 1K8 035 411 C - rear door tweeters @ £58.68
•4x 5K0 035 453 - woofers @ £92.87
•1x 1K0 035 883 C - support = Amp Bracket
•1x 1K0 035 933 - support/mount = Amp Bracket
•6x N 023 002 13 - nuts = For Amp Bracket
•909 674 01 N ?? - Screw = For Amp Bracket
•2x 5K0 837 986 B or 1K8 035 411 B - pillar tweeters. ETKA does not show which!! - Neither listed for the Mk6 Golf, second Part is listed for the Scirocco only, Mk6 Part = Front Door Tweeters (5K0 837 974 M FZG) @ £78.64
-
Thanks Steve.
Just goes to show what good value Dynaudio is as a factory order. :smiley:
-
Doc's right imo. Use the Kenwood amp active on dynaudio front speakers and use the headunits amp to power the standard rear speakers. :wink:
-
Doc's right imo. Use the Kenwood amp active on dynaudio front speakers and use the headunits amp to power the standard rear speakers. :wink:
Or even better knock the rear speakers on the head and use the rear channels to power the tweeters in the front.
We all love a forward soundstage :-)
I should have read Doc's post more carefully. :embarassed:
-
Thoughts?
-
Thoughts?
I am thinking now of further changes to the audio system. I am going to collect the car tomorrow and listen to what I've got for a couple of weeks/months. It really sounds very, very good. Then, I am sure the bug will re-surface and I'll be back for more changes and advice. Damn this forum.
-
When I picked some parts up from the GTI my mate broke I acquired a front drivers side Dynaudio woofer, your quite welcome to it Asker? it will knock the price down a little for you :wink:
Ill get the part number off the speaker tomorrow when I get home from work.
Darren
-
And the "good" news is they won't be in matched pairs like my Kef Ref's :rolleyes:
Go for it Asker I did the xenon's your turn with these components :wink:
I'll take a look at the headlamp leveling tomorrow btw.
-
When I picked some parts up from the GTI my mate broke I acquired a front drivers side Dynaudio woofer, your quite welcome to it Asker? it will knock the price down a little for you :wink:
Ill get the part number off the speaker tomorrow when I get home from work.
Darren
Thanks very much Darren. PM me the cost, please.
And the "good" news is they won't be in matched pairs like my Kef Ref's :rolleyes:
Go for it Asker I did the xenon's your turn with these components :wink:
I'll take a look at the headlamp leveling tomorrow btw.
Doc:
Thanks. :cool:
Are you trying to kill me off? I've only got one functioning arm. At least this might stop my post count for good. :cry:
Oh, well, I'll make a fortune in Las Vegas as the only human one arm bandit.
-
If the QC is v.good at the factory you don't need matched pairs imo. :evil: Its why Scanspeak, SEAS etc sell drivers in singles and if there good enough for TAG mclaren :smug:
-
Ill get it out tomorrow for you :wink: and get it packed up, the cost of postage would be fine Asker.
Thanks
Darren
-
If the QC is v.good at the factory you don't need matched pairs imo. :evil: Its why Scanspeak, SEAS etc sell drivers in singles and if there good enough for TAG mclaren :smug:
Kef Ref's have to be matched pairs as they're "Made in England", take that how you like... :grin:
-
If the QC is v.good at the factory you don't need matched pairs imo. :evil: Its why Scanspeak, SEAS etc sell drivers in singles and if there good enough for TAG mclaren :smug:
Kef Ref's have to be matched pairs as they're "Made in England", take that how you like... :grin:
I knew Raymond Cooke, who started KEF, quite well. :smiley:
-
IIRC the dynaudio speakers are driven active so you will need 8 amp channels for them or custom passives making. The midbass door grills are the same. The sail panel there are two different grill types. The older one with the red line under dynaudio and the all crome labeled one. The midbass units are rivetted to the door.
I need a bit of clarification.
I am under the impression that the Dynaudio amplifier has 4 x 75W RMS channels. If this is the case, then how can all 8 Dynaudio speakers be run actively? This would require 8 channels in the Dynaudio amp which from what I have so far read, it does not have. Unless, the front 4 speakers are run by the 4 amp channels of the Dynaudio amp and the 4 rear speakers by the 4 amp channels of the headunit.
In that case there not. I was going on the passat i had tobits and what i was told about the eos. I expected the golf to be the same but it does not say much on the dynaudio site about the golf. But from past experience of dynaudio system including many in volvos i thought it would be active. Get someone to check if theres a passive available for them on ETKA.
Thanks Snoops.
(Keeping the post count down :wink: )
-
In that case there not. I was going on the passat i had tobits and what i was told about the eos. I expected the golf to be the same but it does not say much on the dynaudio site about the golf. But from past experience of dynaudio system including many in volvos i thought it would be active. Get someone to check if theres a passive available for them on ETKA.
-
Looking on Elsawin the amp is wired with 4 front speakers and 4 rear speakers so I presume it has 8 channels???
Darren
-
Looking on Elsawin the amp is wired with 4 front speakers and 4 rear speakers so I presume it has 8 channels???
Darren
It can still have 4 channels and run 8 speakers, 2 channels for the front 4 and 2 channels for the rear 4, just like the head unit.
If it has 8 channels, which I doubt, at 75W RMS each, it would be the cheapest 8 channel amp in the world!
-
The passat iirc had split powers. So something like 20W to tweeters, 40W to mids, 110W to midbass Rears were iirc 110W and 20W.
-
The passat iirc had split powers. So something like 20W to tweeters, 40W to mids, 110W to midbass Rears were iirc 110W and 20W.
Is that:
Front: 2x10=20W, 2x20=40W, 2x55=110W?
Rear: 2x55=110W, 2x10=20W?
-
The passat iirc had split powers. So something like 20W to tweeters, 40W to mids, 110W to midbass Rears were iirc 110W and 20W.
Is that:
Front: 2x10=20W, 2x20=40W, 2x55=110W?
Rear: 2x55=110W, 2x10=20W?
Passat is:
Front: 2x20W to tweeters, 2x40W to mids, 2x110W to midbass.
Rear: 2x20W to tweeters, 2x110W to midbass.
Here is whats said about the scirocco.
Striking new styling, dynamic and technologically advanced" - that's the new Scirocco, according to Volkswagen. With an advanced high-end soundsystem, Dynaudio adds striking sound, too.
A 300 watts digital amplifier and 8 Dynaudio loudspeakers, combined with the car's compact interior space, deliver an intense musical experience. Two soft dome tweeters and two midrange/bass drivers in the front doors are integrated at their ideal acoustic position, resulting in an impressive soundstage reproduction.
Two extra soft dome tweeters and two extra midrange/bass loudspeakers behind the front seats provide a perfect all-round experience while also ensuring the same powerful sound for the two rear seats. Thanks to the active loudspeaker concept, featuring single amplifier modules for each loudspeaker, the Dynaudio Soundsystem performs at its best even with dynamic recordings and at high levels.
In the Scirocco the Dynaudio Soundsystem is available in combination with the RCD 510, including a 6 CD autochanger, SD card reader and a multicolour TFT touchscreen. The ultimate entertainment center is the RNS 510 with added navigation system, widescreen TFT touchscreen, 30 GB harddrive and DVD player. With this system even Open-Air live concerts or other music on DVD can be experienced with Dynaudio sound quality.
-
The passat iirc had split powers. So something like 20W to tweeters, 40W to mids, 110W to midbass Rears were iirc 110W and 20W.
Is that:
Front: 2x10=20W, 2x20=40W, 2x55=110W?
Rear: 2x55=110W, 2x10=20W?
Passat is:
Front: 2x20W to tweeters, 2x40W to mids, 2x110W to midbass.
Rear: 2x20W to tweeters, 2x110W to midbass.
Here is whats said about the scirocco.
Striking new styling, dynamic and technologically advanced" - that's the new Scirocco, according to Volkswagen. With an advanced high-end soundsystem, Dynaudio adds striking sound, too.
A 300 watts digital amplifier and 8 Dynaudio loudspeakers, combined with the car's compact interior space, deliver an intense musical experience. Two soft dome tweeters and two midrange/bass drivers in the front doors are integrated at their ideal acoustic position, resulting in an impressive soundstage reproduction.
Two extra soft dome tweeters and two extra midrange/bass loudspeakers behind the front seats provide a perfect all-round experience while also ensuring the same powerful sound for the two rear seats. Thanks to the active loudspeaker concept, featuring single amplifier modules for each loudspeaker, the Dynaudio Soundsystem performs at its best even with dynamic recordings and at high levels.
In the Scirocco the Dynaudio Soundsystem is available in combination with the RCD 510, including a 6 CD autochanger, SD card reader and a multicolour TFT touchscreen. The ultimate entertainment center is the RNS 510 with added navigation system, widescreen TFT touchscreen, 30 GB harddrive and DVD player. With this system even Open-Air live concerts or other music on DVD can be experienced with Dynaudio sound quality.
So, at a guess, in the Golf/'rocco, it's probably 4x55W for the bass-mid units and 4x20W for the treble units.
-
So, at a guess, in the Golf/'rocco, it's probably 4x55W for the bass-mid units and 4x20W for the treble units.
Makes sence when i rethink as they will use chip amps on treble to save space.
-
So, at a guess, in the Golf/'rocco, it's probably 4x55W for the bass-mid units and 4x20W for the treble units.
I would guess 4x15W tweeters, 4x60W midbass or less still on tweeters.
:grin:
Was close enough. :wink:
This makes everything clear at last.
Thanks.
So I probably can run all my mid-bass drivers from the Kenwood and use the head unit to run the tweeters. Just a thought.
-
Apart from you have no active crossover when done like that :wink:
If it was me i would not upgrade the rear ones. Im not going to. :smiley:
-
Apart from you have no active crossover when done like that :wink:
If it was me i would not upgrade the rear ones. Im not going to. :smiley:
I know now. I'll leave things as is. It's very good now. I've spent enough - for now. :cool:
Thanks Snoops for all your help in clarifying many of the aspects which will also prove helpful to others in the decision making process. Yes, the Dynaudio IS good value for money.
I'll catch-up with Steve30 one day and properly compare our systems with some of my Classical Music CDs. Will be an interesting exercise.
What size are the standard bass-mid speakers in the GTI, please?
-
170mm iirc mounting depth iirc limited to 70mm total height
-
170mm iirc mounting depth iirc limited to 70mm total height
170 mm (6.5") diameter? 70 mm depth?
What's the impedence? 4 ohms or 2 ohms?
I might also look at some SEAS and/or Scanspeak units (thanks Snoops!) and possibly design a bi-amp passive X-over. Nice little project to keep me out of mischief.
This German company also makes loudspeakers for the Golf:
http://www.rainbow-audio.de/
Some prices:
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product_list/c_path/60_1078_1085/spd/vw.html
-
I have a history with rainbow, I was nearly their UK importer at one point but a friend beat me to it.
4 ohm is normally standard for Car audio but i would not worry about it. The difference between 4 ohm and 8 ohm is often a couple of dB lower if anything.
-
I have a history with rainbow, I was nearly their UK importer at one point but a friend beat me to it.
4 ohm is normally standard for Car audio but i would not worry about it. The difference between 4 ohm and 8 ohm is often a couple of dB lower if anything.
Your thumbs up for them?
Seem just the ticket for the Golf. Would only fit front ones if I went for them.
Thanks for the PM Snoops. Your knowledge is amazing. :smiley: