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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Jimmymature on 28 January 2011, 11:11
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Why don't VW (or do they) offer a performance upgrade that does not invalidate the full manufacturer’s warranty?
Before getting my GTI I looked at getting a Focus RS with the Mountune MP350 kit. This kit does not impact the Ford warranty at all in fact the dealers fit it for you.
Looked on the VW R website but doesn’t look like it has the manufacturer’s warranty.
Cheers,
Jim
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No such thing exsists in the VW stable that I'm aware of.
Mercedes use BRABUS of course :wink:
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Not yet but due to emmisions alot of companys are going down this route. Fiat have done it for a while, as has ford and vauxhall. I had hoped with the intorduction of the R devision at VW that it would coma about but so far they have only done the body kits.
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Not yet but due to emmisions alot of companys are going down this route. Fiat have done it for a while, as has ford and vauxhall. I had hoped with the intorduction of the R devision at VW that it would coma about but so far they have only done the body kits.
Any rumours of them thinking of doing it?
Jim
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In Germany Oettinger (and to a degree Abt) have a sort of factory backed warranty on their upgrades. In some countries where VW don't actually fully own the importer there are 'official' tuners.
Many years ago before VW fully took over the import franchise in the UK, GTI Engineering had fully backed conversions, but in those days you only got a one year warranty anyway. GTI Engineering's 'offshoot' BR Motorsport (BR= Brian Ricketts who was the engineering brains behind GTI Engineering split from them and formed his own tuning company) subsequently had SEATs backing back in the nineties for their conversions, not that they sold many.
I can remember from my days on cupranet back in the early noughties that Oettinger remaps were dyno proven to be very conservative next to the then recently emerged REVO, APR et al.
I think VAG increasingly steer clear of this stuff due to many obvious and probably some not so obvious legal reasons.
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Didn't Erik van voorst have his remap done by his dealership? I know he's not in the uk but perhaps it may be worth a mention, ABT rings a bell. :undecided:
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Some VW dealers offer the VWR upgrade, (remap to 250bhp/380Nm, new exhaust and air filter).
£1499.99. Fitted including VAT
also VWR sport springs (20mm lower ride) £599 fitted.
This was last year , I presume they still do it though the price may have changed.
Ask for VWR performance Upgrade Pack at your dealer.
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Yes my VW dealer offers that VWR kit but its not VW approved it says so in the small print. Dealers can sell anything they like, my old local SEAT dealer in the past sold REVO for example.
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My dealer tried to sell me this 3 months from new.
The brochure states "Most importantly, the VWR Upgrade Package comes with a full mechanical warranty to ensure that your car cover matches the remaining Volkswagen supplied warranty on the car".
If it was just the remap and filter and I didn't have to rip out a nearly new exhaust system I would have gone for it.
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My dealer tried to sell me this 3 months from new.
The brochure states "Most importantly, the VWR Upgrade Package comes with a full mechanical warranty to ensure that your car cover matches the remaining Volkswagen supplied warranty on the car".
If it was just the remap and filter and I didn't have to rip out a nearly new exhaust system I would have gone for it.
Key word to me is what do they really meen by matches :wink:
Heres the website of my local dealer and the upgrade package.
http://www.pulmanvolkswagen.co.uk/vwr/about.php
Under the FAQ section
Is the manufacturer's warranty affected?
Yes it is affected, which is why each VWR Upgrade Package includes additional warranty coverage. The VWR Upgrade Warranty covers only those aspects of the engine and drivetrain that can be proved to be affected by the fitment of the upgrade package. All other aspects of the vehicle's standard Volkswagen warranty are unaffected.
The VWR Upgrade Package supplementary warranty will exactly reflect the duration of the Volkswagen warranty supplied with the car, consisting of a two-year/unlimited mileage manufacturer's warranty and a third year warranty with a 60,000 miles limitation. Full details of the warranty coverage is provided in the warranty booklet, and will be supplied with each VWR Upgrade Package.
In other words, and im a bit synical here, if something fails watch them both say its not covered by their warrenty its covered by the other companies :grin:
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My dealer tried to sell me this 3 months from new.
The brochure states "Most importantly, the VWR Upgrade Package comes with a full mechanical warranty to ensure that your car cover matches the remaining Volkswagen supplied warranty on the car".
If it was just the remap and filter and I didn't have to rip out a nearly new exhaust system I would have gone for it.
Exactly matches not the same as VW. :wink:
Heres the website of my local dealer and the upgrade package.
http://www.pulmanvolkswagen.co.uk/vwr/about.php
Under the FAQ section
Is the manufacturer's warranty affected?
Yes it is affected, which is why each VWR Upgrade Package includes additional warranty coverage. The VWR Upgrade Warranty covers only those aspects of the engine and drivetrain that can be proved to be affected by the fitment of the upgrade package. All other aspects of the vehicle's standard Volkswagen warranty are unaffected.
The VWR Upgrade Package supplementary warranty will exactly reflect the duration of the Volkswagen warranty supplied with the car, consisting of a two-year/unlimited mileage manufacturer's warranty and a third year warranty with a 60,000 miles limitation. Full details of the warranty coverage is provided in the warranty booklet, and will be supplied with each VWR Upgrade Package.
That's very interesting that they say that by fitting it it does NOT invalidate your standard VW warranty.
For those who don't like the thought of losing the warranty i think the VWR solution looks good even if it's a little on the expensive side
Jim
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But to me that is exacly what there saying it does effect your warrenty
I edited my post abit before your quote.
In other words, and im a bit synical here, if something fails watch them both say its not covered by their warrenty its covered by the other companies. Because of the wording i highlighted.
You can modify any part of your car you want with anyones products it only effects that section of the VW warrenty but its how they interperate what it effects which could cause problems.
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Yet to be tested I suppose.
But - if your car breaks then it's covered by one or the other. Just get the dealer to sort it.
It depends on your relationship with your dealer, I bought from new and would trust them on their word. I've been a regular customer over a long while and they know it.
I don't even think they would bother about upgrades such as bluefin (assuming they could detect it).
They get paid for the warranty work by VW, why would they argue?
Can't see it happening.
I've taken the so called risk with bluefin and don't see it as an issue. Same with the VW R upgrade.
If the doom and gloom ever happens and everybody refuses to fix it under warranty then.....
I'll pay for it myself.
It won't happen though.
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Maybe i have just been round the trade too long.
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Mercedes use BRABUS of course :wink:
You mean AMG :smiley:
If the doom and gloom ever happens and everbody refuses to fix it under warranty then.....
I'll pay for it myself.
:afro: I agree with this viewpoint and what Snoopy has said. Part of modifying a car is accepting you might have to be out of pocket if something breaks.
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Yup
I get Snoopy's point of view, I just see it as a tiny risk.
I really think the VWR option is about as risk free as you can get.
The bluefin option (mine) could have issues if my turbo went pop and they knew about the bluefin, they knew they could prove it, they could care less about it as VW refused to pay and they really hated me.
A risk I am well prepared to take.
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Good luck with that if it happens i have been there and done that just with a different tuner. :smiley:
Its upto each individual if they feel like taking the risk and paying the price. :smiley:
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Does that mean that everyone who has fitted new rear lights, Xenons, RNS, non VW bluetooth or fiddled with Vagcom have just lost their warranty?
Same thing really, so VW will void the warranty on any electrical issue. :huh:
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Does that mean that everyone who has fitted new rear lights, Xenons, RNS, non VW bluetooth or fiddled with Vagcom have just lost their warranty?
Same thing really, so VW will void the warranty on any electrical issue. :huh:
My dealership does not really care. They are so pleased with all my retro-fits. :smug:
They are pleasingly pragmatic. :smiley:
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Yes on the parts that they may effect, it use to say so in the manual.
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Does that mean that everyone who has fitted new rear lights, Xenons, RNS, non VW bluetooth or fiddled with Vagcom have just lost their warranty?
Same thing really, so VW will void the warranty on any electrical issue. :huh:
My dealership does not really care. They are so pleased with all don't know and couldn't care less about my retro-fits. :smug:
They are pleasingly pragmatic. :smiley:
I still don't see why they would even bother looking??
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Does that mean that everyone who has fitted new rear lights, Xenons, RNS, non VW bluetooth or fiddled with Vagcom have just lost their warranty?
Same thing really, so VW will void the warranty on any electrical issue. :huh:
My dealership does not really care. They are so pleased with all don't know and couldn't care less about my retro-fits. :smug:
They are pleasingly pragmatic. :smiley:
I still don't see why they would even bother looking??
They saw the car when it was just one day old and have seen it being continuously beautified. There are no problems with this or anything else I wish to do, EXCEPT RE-MAPPING & thus relating to engine issues.
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Again, what's the difference.
Surely if you start tweaking vagcom settings or fitting non standard lighting you are doing exactly the same as remapping.
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Again, what's the difference.
Surely if you start tweaking vagcom settings or fitting non standard lighting you are doing exactly the same as remapping.
Not really. Fitting LED lamps and tweaking vagcom settings doesn't put additional stress on parts like upping boost pressure, for example.
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Just don't wish it to go BOOM! in the night (or day) :grin:
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A lot of it is going to depend on your dealer as a whole, and members of staff who you, or even just your car, come into contact with.
If your dealer sells you a VWR kit they will warrant the kit and the car and bend over backwards to make sure any problems are sorted in a hassle free manner. If you take that car to another dealer in the same retail group you'd expect the same service.
However if you're away on holiday and your car plays up, you may well find the local dealer not so helpful and more reluctant to claim on stuff that's not factory approved until you really pressurise them to pick up the phone and speak to the dealer who sold you the upgrade. I've found in most cases the bigger dealers are the worse ones to deal with. Most but not all.
Other upgrades, be they LED rears, different stereos etc will also come down to the discretion of the dealer. If you've invaded the vehicles electronics with 3rd party software (VCDS for example) then you're inviting VW to show you the door or ask to see the colour of your money when making a claim on a modified vehicle, especially if it is an electrical or sensor fault.
They probably look upon it as ''well, he's messed about with the rear lights and the radio, so what else has he been meddling with?''
Company cars and anything with a lease and you're out on your own. The paperwork will normally stipulate that you don't modify anything on the vehicle, your insurance will too.
It is the same with your computer at home, your smart phone, even your vacuum cleaner, if it is under warranty and you wish to modify it, you're running a risk. If you want to do it you probably will anyway so are fully prepared (no matter how reluctantly) for the potential consequences. Que sera.
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^^
Sums it up nicely I think.
If you do any sort of mod/upgrade on your warrantied car then you are taking a slight risk.
If you don't own the car then you are taking a much bigger risk.
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Personally, I beg to differ. One runs the same risk to one's warranty whether the car is leased or purchased. The manufacturer is not concerned with how one takes possession of the car as long as it is by legal means. The same applies for Insurance. With lease arrangements, the car has to be handed back as it was from day one of the lease with all modifications removed. However, any modifications which enhance the value of the car, and as long as they are products from that same manufacturer, may be left on without penalty.
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I've been looking on the VWR website and I am very tempted by their upgrades either just a straight forward ECU remap or their Stage 1 package.
Their ECU only mod is only few quid more that the Bluefin mod.
Jim
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A lot of it is going to depend on your dealer as a whole, and members of staff who you, or even just your car, come into contact with.
Amen to that! People worry too much about this. If worst comes to worst, just remove your mods before taking your car in?
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Personally, I beg to differ. One runs the same risk to one's warranty whether the car is leased or purchased. The manufacturer is not concerned with how one takes possession of the car as long as it is by legal means. The same applies for Insurance. With lease arrangements, the car has to be handed back as it was from day one of the lease with all modifications removed. However, any modifications which enhance the value of the car, and as long as they are products from that same manufacturer, may be left on without penalty.
Depends on the terms of the lease Akser. A good friend of mine works for a car leasing company, if the cars are messed with the insurance terms are breached. Different to the warranty per se but still something to be careful of just in case you have any issues, be they crash related or just the car inspected.
On your GAP insurance you'll probably find wording along the same lines.
Amen to that! People worry too much about this. If worst comes to worst, just remove your mods before taking your car in?
Sometimes that depends on the type of mods you have and where you are when you need to visit the dealer. If you're away from home without your tools and standard bits you may be in a bit of a situation. Personally I'm of the opinion that what I've messed with I'm prepared to be bent over the table for. I only bought a GTI in the first place (and many other of my cars) with a view to making them how I think they should be from the factory. If they couldn't be made how I want them I'd have bought something different.
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Well then, I've been a very naughty boy and have to be punished. :laugh:
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Well then, I've been a very naughty boy and have to be punished. :laugh:
Miss Whiplash has been called, prepare youself (and no smiling whilst the punishment is being dished out).... :grin:
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Yes, Miss Fee Fee la Whip is on her way to do her dastardly deed.
Minor cosmetic modifications like mine, I feel, are not the deal breaker and possibly not worth losing sleep over. But seriously heavy mods are frowned upon with the obvious consequences.
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Stuff like LED tails will go pretty much un-noticed (unless you get the bulb out warning like mine :rolleyes:) as they are fitted as standard to some cars anyway. And other OEM stuff shouldn't upset anyone. K04s, Coilovers and Millteks are where the eyebrows will get raised :huh:
OT but maybe I should look into buying a cheapish second hand convenience control module thingy from one of the guys upgrading their front Xenons who didn't have problems when fitting the LED tails. Maybe I should just learn not to fiddle about with my cars in the first place. Maybe I should take up playing Golf instead of messing about with Golfs. :sad:
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A new ones £250 iirc not sure how much used ones go for.
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Yeah, cheers Snoops, I'd be prepared to pay for a new one if I did the front Xenon conversion but I'm not confident I'll ever get round to that. Second hand one for a hundred notes or so and I'd think about it.
Better still would be second hand xenon fronts and later control module from someone who is going the whole hog with the LED fronts who already has Xenons. Added bonus if they're black R lights!!!
Probably never get round to either. :sad:
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A bit off topic, but you'd expect nothing less from me! :grin:
At last, for me at least, mod mania has nearly come to an end. Once I get the amp fitted, I'll stop fingering Wolfgang. At present, he's not quite sure whether he is AC or DC. :laugh:
BTW: I don't have GAP Insurance.
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A bit off topic, but you'd expect nothing less from me! :grin:
At last, for me at least, mod mania has nearly come to an end. Once I get the amp fitted, I'll stop fingering Wolfgang. At present, he not quite sure whether he is AC or DC. :laugh:
Well, we lasted 4 pages so did quite well. :lipsrsealed: