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General => The garage => Topic started by: whereufromnosecity on 25 January 2011, 20:01
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Who uses what welding gas and where do you get yours from
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Rotten camper? :laugh:
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Rotten camper? :laugh:
No not rotten but holy :grin:
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Rotten camper? :laugh:
No not rotten but holy :grin:
I know how you feel i have a mini :laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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I knew it need work when i got it, it's the disposable gas bottles cost a fair bit and dont last long
The refills are cheap in the long run but struggling to find any where local that do them with out stupid rental costs
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I knew it need work when i got it, it's the disposable gas bottles cost a fair bit and dont last long
The refills are cheap in the long run but struggling to find any where local that do them with out stupid rental costs
Sorry cant help TBH we use .8mm gasless :smiley:
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Industrial Gasses
if you want to make a good job you'll want the proper gas with a mig that would be Arcsheild light for the cars, 93% argon, 5% carbon dioxide , 2% oxygen is the mixture.
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How do you find the gasless, when i used it before it was ok but i prefer gas gives better neater welds imho
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i find that gasless is crap, i get a much much neater weld with gas, also find it much easyer with gas also i find gasless wire is expensive.
would rather use pub gas than gasless
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Industrial Gasses
if you want to make a good job you'll want the proper gas with a mig that would be Arcsheild light for the cars, 93% argon, 5% carbon dioxide , 2% oxygen is the mixture.
I have an empty boc argonsheild lite bottle but boc wont help unless i take out an account in which case i would get a bottle anyway it's just the yearly rental that puts me off
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How do you find the gasless, when i used it before it was ok but i prefer gas gives better neater welds imho
As you say gas is the way if you have the money for the gas :smiley:
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i find that gasless is crap, i get a much much neater weld with gas, also find it much easyer with gas also i find gasless wire is expensive.
would rather use pub gas than gasless
I pay £7 a reel :smiley:
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gasless wire isnt that expensive compared to gas bottle prices! not hard to get rid of the extra spatter from gasless anyway
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i find that gasless is crap, i get a much much neater weld with gas, also find it much easyer with gas also i find gasless wire is expensive.
would rather use pub gas than gasless
I pay £7 a reel :smiley:
if your doing any quantity of welding £7 for .5kg is expensive wire ( for mild steel anyway ) gasless wire dosent go very far ether.
BOC are rip off thingys they tryed charge me over £120 to fill a 20 ltr + 100 PA rental so i told them to feck off never been near a BOC agent since, i would try and get an account with a local supplyer they are about.
as said i use industrial gases a lot of the bottels are air products so would recomned looking for an air products distubutor.
10ltr bottels are £4pm fill for £20 - 25
20ltr bottels are £5 or 6pm ( i think ) fill for less than 40 quid
50ltr bottels are £7pm fill for less than 60 quid
if you get stuck for gas i know of someone with a BOC account that chould have the bottel filled for you or give your bottel a top up
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If you know someone that runs a Pub, beg, steal, or borrow a cylinder of C02, buy a gauge, you should get for around £30ish or cheaper off the bay... the bottle will last for years!
Pub gas is perfectly adequate for what you want to do, its misgivings can be overcome by a slight change in style of what you used to.
Thom
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Pub gas is perfectly adequate for what you want to do, its misgivings can be overcome by a slight change in style of what you used to.
Sorry Thom, but I used to use CO2 and it's cr@p vs Argoshield Light. Danny said the pub gas suppliers now put a certain percent of oxygen in their CO2 specifically to screw those trying to use it as a weld shield and I'm inclined to believe him.
If you have a BOC bottle for Argoshield Light, find someone with a BOC account who rents the same size bottle and bung them some cash to get them to swap it for you. If it was the same size as mine and you were close I'd do it for you gladly.
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if you can get 100% co2 it'll work. the co2 nitrogen mixes whitch lots of beers use now don't work. big migs with big wire behave much better on it than small ones. small Mini migs need all the help they can get.
if your close ish to me i have an empty bottel of CO2 that i chould get filled for you or if you don't want it for long and i get the bottel back i have a bottel you can use
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Pub gas is perfectly adequate for what you want to do, its misgivings can be overcome by a slight change in style of what you used to.
Sorry Thom, but I used to use CO2 and it's cr@p vs Argoshield Light. Danny said the pub gas suppliers now put a certain percent of oxygen in their CO2 specifically to screw those trying to use it as a weld shield and I'm inclined to believe him.
If you have a BOC bottle for Argoshield Light, find someone with a BOC account who rents the same size bottle and bung them some cash to get them to swap it for you. If it was the same size as mine and you were close I'd do it for you gladly.
Its a long time since I've used it to honest, but in the past always got on with it reasonably OK, a lad I used to work with still uses it I'm sure, I'll give him a ring, and see what the score is..
Thom
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i find that gasless is crap, i get a much much neater weld with gas, also find it much easyer with gas also i find gasless wire is expensive.
would rather use pub gas than gasless
I pay £7 a reel :smiley:
if your doing any quantity of welding £7 for .5kg is expensive wire ( for mild steel anyway ) gasless wire dosent go very far ether.
BOC are rip off thingys they tryed charge me over £120 to fill a 20 ltr + 100 PA rental so i told them to feck off never been near a BOC agent since, i would try and get an account with a local supplyer they are about.
as said i use industrial gases a lot of the bottels are air products so would recomned looking for an air products distubutor.
10ltr bottels are £4pm fill for £20 - 25
20ltr bottels are £5 or 6pm ( i think ) fill for less than 40 quid
50ltr bottels are £7pm fill for less than 60 quid
if you get stuck for gas i know of someone with a BOC account that chould have the bottel filled for you or give your bottel a top up
Interesting stuff :afro:
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I have some info back from 'adamsgas' of the net for argonshield light
£50 bottle deposit - refundable on return of bottle
£28 for refills
£24 for delivery of first order
£37 for collection of empty and delivery of full cylinder
So will more than likely use these guys, but i still have a last couple of local places to try tomorrow
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if your an occasional user you can put a deposit on a bottle instead of having a boc account, i use adams gas in kent atm, gas is a little more but its just a £50 deposit, no time limit on refills and they do an argoshield equivalent
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with those non rental bottels it's allways worth checking the fill pressure when you collect the bottel.
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BOC :)
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BOC = arse rapeing of wallet