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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: jsk on 19 January 2011, 19:36
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Hi
Thanks for reading ........
We are James, Sally and our Daughter Katie (age 5) (JSK) we are trying to find out some info on a Golf GTI Edition 30. We currently have a Golf 1.9 TDI SE which we/I love so much. But we have decided that before we get past it to enjoy a GTI that we would give it a go.
Can anyone give us any info on the differences good and bad between the E30 and GTI models. Is it worth paying a little more for the E30?
Also can you give any feedback with regard to performance and economy (if any) ha ha!! etc?
Any help before we commit to buy would be greatly appreciated as we are not loaded and want the best value for money!!!
If anyone has an E30 for sale please feel free to email us with details.
Thanks
JSK :smiley:
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Hello there and a very warm welcome to the forum! This place is filled with folks with great experience and information so you are in the right place!
The ED30 comes with some nice touches as standard over the GTI which you are probably aware of, heated seats which are tartan in the middle with leather side bolsters and red stitching. Obviously there is a little extra power, the BBS alloys and the rear bumper sprayed body colour. If i could have afforded one at the time i would have got one because they do seem like a great car.
However, i've got a standard 55 plate GTI manual that has done 66,000. I've owned it for 8 months and not a single thing has let me down yet. (touch wood) it is fabulous in every day situations, the power delivery is soooo smooth and the interior feels special thanks to wonderfully supportive seats and the sculptured/flat bottomed steering wheel. I'll be getting a company car in the next 12 months and i will be gutted to see the GTI go, its by far the best all rounder i've ever owned.
I average about 32mpg in summer with a really careful right foot, but its dropped to just under 30mpg in winter with letting the engine run on start up, unsticking myself from snow etc... On a quick B-road run you could average anything from low 20's up to 27-28mpg depending on how you drive.
I would have bought a DSG if i could afford one (i could only afford a bottom spec car, mine hasn't got any fancy extras) but its still brilliant.
If you do buy a DSG, i would suggest getting a warranty. I've heard horror stories. If the car is out of warranty and the mechatronic unit (gearbox brain if you like...) fails then VW will want to replace the whole gearbox. Upwards of £5k thank you very much... I've got a full platinum warranty with warranty direct for £300 per year and its well worth it for peace of mind in my opinion!
The car is brilliant, you will love the driving experience stepping up from a TDI for so many reasons! Good luck, i hope this helps!
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My personal experience of the Ed 30 i bought in the summer has been excellent.
As you may or may not know, the Edition 30 has an extra 30bhp, from the larger k04 turbo charger, whereas the normal gti has a smaller k03. The engine differs in other ways, but i am unsure what exactly :huh: ( the same engine is used in the Audi S3 and the Leon Cupra)
The edition 30 also has a larger front splitter, colour coded side skirts and a different rear bumper which is also the same colour as the car, instead of the disgracefull standard Gti rear bumper. Also it has the BBS pescara alloys :laugh: :laugh: It makes a huge difference when you see them. It has alot more presence on the road.
Half leather, and half cloth heated seats come as standard in the Ed 30.
They are limited in production also, (allegedly only 2500 we're produced), so expect higher residules when it comes to resale. But of course, also higher purchasing prices.
On a motorway run I regularly see approx 34 mpg, when crusing at about 80 70 ;), but if you put my foot down you wont see much higher than 15mpg when you look at the trip computer when your home. :evil:
Performance wise, it'll give alot of cars a run for their money, (especially normal gti's :grin: :wink:), and if you went down the modifying route, a simple remap will see it in the region of 280-300bhp, whereas the normal gti will only see about 240bhp max.
The big service you have to look out for is at 40,000 miles or 4 years, and will cost about £600 - £800 if you have the DSG gearbox too. It includes the cambelt and water pump, all filters, and gearbox oil (if DSG), I think that is all. So i'd advise to look for one that has had it already done.
I apologise for the messy, unstructured reply. I've been writting it whilst making tea, buying parts and watching the footy.
Good luck with your choice. You DEFFINATELY won't regret an Ed30
Nick
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Thanks for the info so far,plenty to think about.
JSK
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What Keano says. Had my ED 30 4 weeks now & love it & i'm glad i changed from my ''standard'' mk5 GTI. :wink:
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Great info there. If you have the extra money the ED30 is worth the extra (this coming from a standard GTI owner).
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I have also heard that if you have an ed30 remapped you get more power,makes sense.
Two of the guys I work with have had their 4x4 remapped and "they" say as well as a power gain they have greater fuel efficiency :rolleyes:.
Call me old school but I'm of the theory that you don't get anything for nothing. Can anyone suggest they're correct with findings on a remapped GTI Edition 30.
JSK
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my ed30 is over 360 bhp. Driven steadily mpg is just as good as standard.
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Unless you drive flat out all the time, your fuel economy will improve with a remap. The theory behind this is that you can get up to speed quicker and often don't need to drop down a gear.
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I have heard that diesel engines have often worked out better on fuel consumption after a remap, but I seriously doubt anyone is seeing better mpg on a remapped ed30 over a standard ed 30. Depends what you want of course if you are considering remaps fuel consumption should not really be a concern.
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I have heard that diesel engines have often worked out better on fuel consumption after a remap, but I seriously doubt anyone is seeing better mpg on a remapped ed30 over a standard ed 30. Depends what you want of course if you are considering remaps fuel consumption should not really be a concern.
If you drove and ED30 with a remap and an ED30 without a remap at a normal pace sticking to the speed limit and not flooring it anywhere, the one with the remap would return better MPG as it achieves torque and power sooner meaning you need less throttle travel and you will return better MPG. Did you ever see the Topgear episode where they got an M3 to follow and Prius around a track and the M3 just kept us whilst the Prius hammered it around. The M3 got better MPG than the Prius, its a similar thing to that.
Obviously if you drove both cars in anger the remapped one would arrive at the destination first, and would also have returned worse MPG than the non remapped one.
Who buys an ED30 to drive around sensibly in? ;)
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Just watched that video clip from top gear, good stuff. :smiley: . Anyway to the OP, buy whichever model suits your budget you won't be disappointed with either.
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There is no point buying the 30 model. It has a terrible turbo lag, harsh suspension and often suffers from crash damage.
Car magazine only gave it 4 stars while giving the real GTI 5 stars.
Just buy a red 5 door GTI, superchip it, and you have the best car money can buy.
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There is no point buying the 30 model. It has a terrible turbo lag, harsh suspension and often suffers from crash damage.
Car magazine only gave it 4 stars while giving the real GTI 5 stars.
Just buy a red 5 door GTI, superchip it, and you have the best car money can buy.
(http://www.johnelkington.com/weblog/5.jpg)
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Thanks for all the help and advise.
I know you don't buy a GTI for fuel economy,but if a remap would help then that answered my question.Every little bit helps with the current fuel prices.
Will probably be the slowest ed30 when driven be me anyway as I take my aggression out on two wheels.
My missus on the other hand has a very heavy right foot.
Regards JSK
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There is no point buying the 30 model. It has a terrible turbo lag, harsh suspension and often suffers from crash damage.
Car magazine only gave it 4 stars while giving the real GTI 5 stars.
Just buy a red 5 door GTI, superchip it, and you have the best car money can buy.
Talking crap again :grin:
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My word what can we say??????
We have just been for a nice Sunday drive out looking at new houses and my other half remembered he had seen an Ed30 parked up on the estate where we live, so me being me, went to ask the bloke his opinion etc etc on performance, handling and economy. To our great surprise the very nice chap gave us the keys and told us to take it out for a spin and let him know what we thought! Strange we thought so I said we would just take it round the estate, again to our surprise he said to take it down the A38 ....... be rude not to we thought, so off we popped!!!
For me personally i think a little bit of wee came out :rolleyes:!!!!! James on the other hand was much more of a gentleman and just let off slightly :laugh:!!!
It was amazing - we will be having one!!
Thanks for your advice and hopefully very soon we will be able to compare pics
JSK
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Good news fella, don't listen to Egbert, he talks so much BS,
Ed30 is a superb car, was it a manual or dsg version GTi?
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Ed30 is an excllent motor , mr Nosh has never owned one I have and can tell you its a great car :cool:
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Hi
It was manual.
It was the guy's company car and he was really great about it,very trusting.We did leave the keys to our golf just so he had a little peace of mind but he didn't ask we insisted!! Not many of these kind of people about now a days (but we do have very trusting faces).
My missus drove the car and we were well impressed with the car's acceleration in 3rd and 4th and the pick up in 6th.
Didn't really want to give the car too much but we didn't hang around either. (Missus got a little scared I think, but compared to the 1.9 TDI I can see why) bless her!
Although it was on a 08 plate it had done nearly 90k but you wouldn't have guessed with the ride, performance and overall condition :cool:.
The guy said he was coming up for a new car soon and this one would be released and offered for sale.
What do you guys reckon it would be worth and would it still be worth considering with this amount of miles. As they are a newish model I don't suppose any of us would really know the true extent of it's sale-ability and good for mileage but any views/comments and knowledge welcomed. Its been serviced twice a year and had cam belt etc done.
Even our little girl Katie thinks its :cool: (age 5)
JSK
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For the mileage around 12k high mileage.15k if normal mileage for age.
Manual ed 30 , depending on factory extra's, if it was box standard, then my above estimate won't be far off.
The more toys will help stablilize it's 2nd hand value and not dealer forecourt value
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There are one or two edition 30's in the classified ads on this forum, pics on pistonheads.
Good luck.
PS I love my GTI to bits (mk6 210bhp)
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You wont be dissapointed in an ed 30 :wink:
Where are you from?
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We are located in Ripley,Derbyshire.
Maybe a 3/4 months before we're deffo ready to buy unless one come's up we couldn't refuse.
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I had this exact same dilema and after much debate went for the Ed30. To be perfectly honest I love the seats :grin:
Your not that far from me so likely looking around similar places i did. Word of working and don't go near Gilders at Chesterfield/Sheffield. My first Ed30 was from there and i ended up getting a refund (there's a link on here about it somewhere). I've just checked and it's back up for sale, they've had it 4-5 months, was quite poorly and not very well looked after.
Get one that's well looked after and you'll have a great car you'll love to bits, I do :cool:
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We are located in Ripley,Derbyshire.
Maybe a 3/4 months before we're deffo ready to buy unless one come's up we couldn't refuse.
Im not a million miles away from you. If you want to have a proper look at one, Im sure we could meet up?
Nick
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Why buy a four star car when you can have a five star real GTI?
Lag, laggy lag
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Why buy a four star car when you can have a five star real GTI?
Lag, laggy lag
The way you carry on Nosh anyone would think the ED30 has one of these...
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8812/abb3massiveturbo.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/abb3massiveturbo.jpg/)
If you think that 2500 rpm is laggy for a turbo. You have obviously never driven a proper/powerfull car.. :rolleyes:
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Why buy a four star car when you can have a five star real GTI?
Lag, laggy lag
FFS man, change the record.. The way you carry on Nosh, anyone would think the ED30 has one of these...
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8812/abb3massiveturbo.jpg) (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/abb3massiveturbo.jpg/)
If you think that 2500 rpm is laggy for a turbo. You have obviously never driven a proper/powerfull car.. :rolleyes:
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I already have one of those, but mine's a blond.