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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: jimmyhodge on 17 January 2011, 10:06
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As mentioned earlier on in the week Someone quoted pictures or it didn't happen... :laugh: So here's the pictures of what I'm picking up next week
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What ya think guys? Adjustable rose jointed wishbone for the win! :smiley:
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:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
Lush, what was it fitted too or used for.
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Was fitted to a mk2 16v gti track car. :cool:
By all accounts the guy I bought it off paid some serious money for it then never used the car with it fitted... He bought it off a chap who used it a few times for a pure track car! Either way its the typical circumstance changed so had to sell all his parts episode. Bad times for the chap but good times for me :smiley: haha
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I just did a little sex we, I dont know what it does or why it does it but those wishbones look sexual :lipsrsealed:
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Thats fecking awesome..... I want some of that! :cool:
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:cool: Glad you like it, got to decide if I want to make the 400mile round trip or get a courier to collect it for me... May make the epic journey just to see what other racing goodies I can't pick up.
Here's the engine going in it, (eventually) Still toying with turning it into a 2.0litre... :wink:
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mmmmmmmmm
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I want that too!
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If you it to really rev I would leave it running on a shorter stroke as a 1.8 :smiley:
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may have to make some wishbones like that, if you don't mind me asking how much were they
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I want it to really really rev! Thats the plan... Still not sure... :wink:
I just want to make some proper trick cars look stupid :cool:
Any idea of how to measure the lift of cams guys? Its fitted with some piper cams but not sure what lift ... had a fairly major porting job too :grin:
may have to make some wishbones like that, if you don't mind me asking how much were they
I bought it 2nd hand bought it using my own kidney! (Cough £££) this is how the description read,
'Racing Subframe for MK2 Golf.
Subframe has been stripped, reinforced and powder coated.
All work has been professionally carried out to the highest of standards.
Featuring fully adjustable rose jointed tubular wishbones. Anti-roll bar has been shortened and uprated. Polybushed arb links.
This really transforms the handelling of the MK2, making it ready for competition.''
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Good lad. Looks minty fine.
I suspect the sub-frame will have been seam-welded, which is something I was considering doing to mine at some point.
After the odd vibration issues with the Corrado and the G3 subframe I'm less keen on that now, if I'm honest.
I know stitching up the OEM lower control arms and adding solid TT rear bushes made a huge difference to how sharp and responsive the steering is on my Golf. I'm sure rose-jointed control arms would up that feeling significantly, but I'd be concerned about the durability of the rose-joints as they're taking a lot of hits there, which is why they're bushed for road. I'd be interested to hear what it's like when assembled, but would be very conservative about those control arms until I hear some feedback about them.
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Yer the subframe has been seam welded.
To be fair i'm not bothered if it vibrates its only abit of fun at the end of the day and will make for one hell of a rigid body when i've strut braced the top and bottom and rear. :wink:
Not sure on the durability myself so will keep you imformed of how I get on,English roads arn't the best either so i'll be avoiding as many pot holes as posible to increase the life of it as much as I can!
I'll prob get confused for a suspected drink driver due to swerving down the road when in fact all i'm doing is avoiding distroying my car... :cool:
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Ha ha, tell me about it. When driving back to uni the other night I was swerving that much that I was tempted to pull over and write in the muck on the back of the car 'I'm not drunk, just avoiding pot holes'
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Ha ha, tell me about it. When driving back to uni the other night I was swerving that much that I was tempted to pull over and write in the muck on the back of the car 'I'm not drunk, just avoiding pot holes'
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Honestly officer I havn't been drinking! I'm just avoiding the potholes in the road that the sh!tty government seems to ignore ! :laugh:
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I think you're mental to consider using this on the road. :grin:
Also make sure you tell your insurance company about what you've fitted!!
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Rose joints are no good for road use, you'll be forever replacing them!
Thom
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How much of difference will this make? Will it be obvious? Last question... Why does it make the car more rigid, is it because its tubular and not flat so wont flex?
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If you it to really rev I would leave it running on a shorter stroke as a 1.8 :smiley:
bore it out then....
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Isnt a 9A a short stroke? The only good thing the 9a has against an ABF?
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This has either been for sale for nearly 2 years or has been up for sale several times in the last 2 years...
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How much of difference will this make? Will it be obvious? Last question... Why does it make the car more rigid, is it because its tubular and not flat so wont flex?
They don't last that long on Race cars! Yes they eliminate suspension flex that would normally be taken up by a rubber type joint. making them totally unsuitable for road use! Because of there nature, loads are transmitted to the pick up point to which they are bolted, ie the subframe, this can cause metal fatigue, and irreparable damage...
Thom
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Tobe fair you guys sound so negative about fitting a rose jointed tubular wishbone subframe. I wouldn't be fitting it if I didn't think it was going to work... I've done my research before just spending my money and heard very very good things about the performance gains you get with a tubular wishboned subframe. :wink:
Trust me guys I wouldn't be fitting it if I hadn't got good feedback from chaps running them on there cars for several months with no issues! The only reason the rose joints wear-out is because of sudden jarred movement! (Potholes)
I've driven cars on the road with this type of set up before and the handling is improved so greatly i'd be stupid to ignore the results and stick to a standard set-up.
The other reason these do irreparable damage is usually due to poor set-up of suspension! :grin:
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This has either been for sale for nearly 2 years or has been up for sale several times in the last 2 years...
Why'd ya say that...?
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its not just knocks that kills 'em, they are right in the worst of the water/grit/salt too so wear and corrosion will take its toll quite quickly, but untill then yes, it will be tighter than kiera knightly
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Its fine its not my daily driver,I have a french piece of c**P for that job! :wink: haha
Will be used for shows and killing posh boys in daddy's car on a nice sunny afternoon... :cool:
Also what proof is there that Kiera Knightly is tight... i've heard... :lipsrsealed:
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Will be used for shows and killing posh boys in daddy's car on a nice sunny afternoon... :cool:
Your c0ck is presumably too small for track days?
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Will be used for shows and killing posh boys in daddy's car on a nice sunny afternoon... :cool:
Your c0ck is presumably too small for track days?
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yeah take it on the track and give it a good hiding, that way you know how it performs at the limit
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Will be used for shows and killing posh boys in daddy's car on a nice sunny afternoon... :cool:
Your c0ck is presumably too small for track days?
Not at all Diamond Hell,I race motorcycles all year around and have about 3 weekends spare of a year,not blowing my own trumpet or anything but . . .
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I worked hard for that number 1 ! :cool:
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I think they look awesome mate give it a go if it works great if it breaks revert back to standard :smiley:
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I think they look awesome mate give it a go if it works great if it breaks revert back to standard :smiley:
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let us know how you get on with it, if they are orsum i'll make some for mine
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Can't see pic's at work but I was bidding on a set of trick wishbones and subframe a few months back and missed out. Contacted the seller and he offered to send me the spec's so I could make some up myself. Unfortunately he never managed to send them out to me :undecided:
Having spoken to my engineer mate, he too, suggested that rose joints would get eaten on the road. :sad:
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Well there's only one way of finding out :wink:
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Well there's only one way of finding out :wink:
Too true, and as I'm home now I can confirm that it was an almost identical set I was bidding on. Good find :cool:
Pssst, if you take some measurements and pop them over to me that'd be great too :grin:
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nice!
can't really see an issue with the rose joints, you will just have to change them regularly. i bet the car will tramline everywhere though, avoid the slow lane on the motorway :laugh:
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sorry for acting dumb but what and why are rose joints classed as so bad ?? and if they bad cant they be replaced with something stronger ??
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Rose joints are exceptionally precise, but don't have the shock absorption that rubber bushed joints have, hence they're not used in regular production cars.
Due to the increased number of faults in the road on public roads, vs race tracks the precision is less of a benefit and more likely to result in damage to the car.
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Well there's only one way of finding out :wink:
Too true, and as I'm home now I can confirm that it was an almost identical set I was bidding on. Good find :cool:
Pssst, if you take some measurements and pop them over to me that'd be great too :grin:
When I get a minute will do a detailed measurement of everything and see if I can get a descent diagram on the go so people can manufacture there own. Will PM you them when i've done it can't garantee when that will be though Neo as builders are in up our place so everything has been hiden and placed in a safe place to avoid damaging anything. You know what some builders are like,i'm so on edge about them damaging my god damn car! :angry:
Also this car isn't a daily,far from it. At the end of the day unless you have ever tried to use rose joints on the road you'll never know how they perform,you are only going on peoples engineering views and in my experience most engineers are brilliant at what they do but have you ever asked one to make you a cup of tea or do a really simple task that involves little or no skill. . . You'll nearly always find they are hopeless! Most engineers and I loosely use the term most don't use common sense ,they are like scientists almost.
I've made rose-jointed wishbones for my mates road/track cars with very good results! Having done my research before purchasing this already manufactured subframe featuring rose jointed suspension I can argue they aren't as bad as people make out!
Obviously you are not going to get the longitivity you get from a standard bushed set up,they are designed with basic handling in mind and to last.
With this wishbone set up I can guarantee the ride will be firm but not as firm as people will imagine,with a descent set of well set up coil-overs out front you won't get the flex you get with bushes,when you sling it into a corner the body won't roll,you'll get more feeling through the steering as to what's happening out front and in practice if something un-towards happens there's more chance of saving it as with a bush set up it gives you a false feeling to certain extent.
I'm sorry Diamond Hell but I disagree fully with it doing damage to the car. I can't see how it could unless you really did have a badly set up suspension set up and the rose joints were left dry. I will be fitting grease nipples to the joints so regular servicing will be done to prevent damage. Surely if what you are saying is they can damage the car due to a more firmer ride,no matter what car you are in if you hit a pot hole wrong it will damage any vehicle.
I'll record the mileage I get out of this set-up and we'll see what happens but i'm confident it can never do damage to the car no matter what happens ( PARKING IT IN THE HEDGE DOES NOT COUNT...)
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you are only going on peoples engineering views and in my experience most engineers are brilliant at what they do but have you ever asked one to make you a cup of tea or do a really simple task that involves little or no skill. . . You'll nearly always find they are hopeless! Most engineers and I loosely use the term most don't use common sense ,they are like scientists almost.
:grin: Mad fool
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My old mans an engineer! What can I say... :grin:
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damage to the shell as in metal fatiugue is possible, the reduced shock absorbtion dose mean that more shocks will be transmited to the shell and and the mounts of the subframe - FACT . How quickly , if at all and to what extent these cause metal fatuige in the shell around the mounting to the subframe = unknown.
if it shows symptons add reinforceing plates and weld.
we had massive metal fatuige problems with a mates high powerd e46 bimmer, in the end we ended up turning the multipoint rollcage into a birdcage. all the suspention, enigne, transmition and rear diff are now mounted to this. as the shell just chouldn't take it
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just bloody fit them and let us know the results lol