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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: RedHP on 14 January 2011, 23:40
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My bad was to not add the ACC option to my custom build :cry:
I am doing approx 15,000 miles a year, mainly motorway and am suffering !
I asked my dealership if there was anyway that they could install this option, but they said that this wasn't an aftermarket option (basically, tough titties for me !).
Does anyone know if the ACC option is available after market....? I'm not holding my breathe (as chassis etc is affected), but wish I could have it !! (Or wished I ordered it, damn !!!)
Red
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My bad was to not add the ACC option to my custom build :cry:
I am doing approx 15,000 miles a year, mainly motorway and am suffering !
I asked my dealership if there was anyway that they could install this option, but they said that this wasn't an aftermarket option (basically, tough titties for me !).
Does anyone know if the ACC option is available after market....? I'm not holding my breathe (as chassis etc is affected), but wish I could have it !! (Or wished I ordered it, damn !!!)
Red
Would surely be impossible to retrofit.. :( Have you looked into something like KONI FSDs? I think they might make the ride more comfortable? Is it really that bad though? I have ACC on my manual GTI and I'm currently looking for a DSG - can't find one with ACC in my price range though.. So was considering going for one without it..
Trouble is I do keep mine in comfort all the time apart from ultra smooth / newly laid roads and 'fun time' :P And I do think it's a great option..
I never remember thinking the ride on my MK5 was hard though, or wanting comfort dampers (granted they weren't available then!) Can anyone who's owned both comment on the harshness of the ride between the Mk5 and standard MK6 GTI suspension? Is there any difference?
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Nuts, I'm on the M1 and A-roads for 35 miles one-way, everyday. Believe me, it is not easy................!
All I had to do is agree to pay an extra £700 (list price) for ACC...........why was I so stupid enough not to go for this..............!???????????
Now I pay the price..........!
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I have my car in 'comfort' mode all the time. It is pretty unbearable in 'normal' mode in London Town. I hate being jiggled all the time. Had enough with my Honda Type R and damaged my neck with all the jolting! Best option I specced IMO.
If you don't spec ACC, stick with the 17"wheels.
Sorry Red, I know that this does not help, but the thread below will make you laugh. Those were happy times when members seemed more relaxed.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=145704.0
If you do a search there is quite alot on ACC.
Ess_Three, I think, wrote some interesting posts regarding this option.
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Nuts, I'm on the M1 and A-roads for 35 miles one-way, everyday. Believe me, it is not easy................!
All I had to do is agree to pay an extra £700 (list price) for ACC...........why was I so stupid enough not to go for this..............!???????????
Now I pay the price..........!
Hmm - It sucks not getting an option you later regret missing out on.. :( Esp with the long wait on these cars - I brought mine used but waited for one with ACC (I even went for a scirocco before as it's standard on them..). I'd love to spec a new GTI as really wanted Dynaudio too - but bugger me if I'd wait a year!
ACC is good - and kinda 'takes the edge off' bumps etc. I'm not sure it would totally solve your problem though.. The springs are the same at the end of the day and while I'm no expert they must have a lot to do with the ride comfort?
Here are the FSD's I was talking about (I have no personal experience of them though..)
http://www.koni.com/190+M57d0acf4f16.html
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Thanks Nuts, I've got to give other options a try !
Ta
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I had Koni FSDs on my mk5 Golf. Not sure if they will fit a mk6 but you'd think they wouldn't be too difficult.
They were actually very good. Made the ride a lot more comfortable than the 40,000 mile old dampers they replaced anyway. Only downside is the damping sometimes allowed the bumpstops to be put to use on very undulating roads when tanking on a bit.
I didn't actually pay for them either, despite the fact I was considering buying a set. I won them in a competition in Volkswagen Driver mag. So if anyone has a copy of October 2008 (I think it was October anyway) you can see my ugly mug (and my sexy Steel Grey GTI :drool: ).
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I never remember thinking the ride on my MK5 was hard though, or wanting comfort dampers (granted they weren't available then!) Can anyone who's owned both comment on the harshness of the ride between the Mk5 and standard MK6 GTI suspension? Is there any difference?
I think so yes. I have done about 30K in a mk5 with 18" monza IIs on and 50K in a mk5 with 17s on over 5 years. The mk6 with 17s on with standard suspension feels much harder than the same mk5 over the past year and 3K to me.
ACC retrofit will be very complicated. Remember it connects to the steering as well, has quite a few sensors wiring, new dampers etc. It would be very expensive to do.
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I had a MK5 and now have the MK6 with standard suspension.
The ride is slightly harder than the MK5 but then I'm comparing a car that had 70k miles on it when I sold it and a new one.
As soon as I took a test drive in the MK6 it felt much tighter ( :tongue:) but it was new..
I have no problem with the standard setup on 18's but I don't do any Motorway miles, all A and B roads.
A set of ACC shocks from the dealers is about £600, but as Snoopy said there is the wiring and control modules as well.
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I find ACC pretty good in 'Normal'...I use 'Comfort' in cities with potholed roads and speedbumps...and 'Sport' on a decent blast as I like the sharper steering that comes with 'Sport'.
I imagine ACC uses no additional sensors above what's already there - the steering angle sensor is part of the ESP so it's easy to pick that off the CAN-Bus...
I'd imagine that adding the ACC controller, looms and dampers and having it all activated would do the job...it's only 2 wires to each damper after all...the adjustment of the steering will be done by the steering controller and I'd expect it to have the software already there, just not activated.
Who knows though.
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I ment to add. When i was looking to buy a mk6 i asked advice from a forum member on another website who worked at a VW dealership, he told me how much harder he felt the new mk6 ride was on standard suspension compared to the brandnew last of the line mk5s they had in at the time. He recomended that i go for ACC if i was going for the 18s as he had done with his company mk6.
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My MK6 definitley feels harder than my MK5 did - but then my R is 20mm lower than a GTI and also has 19" wheels (18's at the moment though!). I've got ACC and usually have it on comfort or normal unless I'm out for a blast. I don't remember the R that I test drove feeling too hard though - and it didn't have ACC.
Maybe its just the roads that are getting worse though :rolleyes:
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In a GTI pre-launch write-up in Car, the chassis engineer Ulrich Sonnak was interviewed by the magazine. His goal was to sharpen the Mk6 GTI even further whilst working within the constraints of the Mk5's architecture. The anti-roll bars are a bit thicker, which naturally tightens body control. They contibute to a chunkier feel through the steering on turn-in. So there is a better sense of grip and more confidence. The spring rates are also firmer.
Thus the Mk6 may have a harder ride than the Mk5.
It is for this reason I ordered ACC.
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In a GTI pre-launch write-up in Car, the chassis engineer Ulrich Sonnak was interviewed by the magazine. His goal was to sharpen the Mk6 GTI even further whilst working within the constraints of the Mk5's architecture. The anti-roll bars are a bit thicker, which naturally tightens body control. They contibute to a chunkier feel through the steering on turn-in. So there is a better sense of grip and more confidence. The spring rates are also firmer.
Thus the Mk6 may have a harder ride than the Mk5.
It is for this reason I ordered ACC.
Hard Ride? I've just got out on an Audi A3 S-Line. Compared to the A3 the GTI is like a limo for me :cool:
Jim
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In a GTI pre-launch write-up in Car, the chassis engineer Ulrich Sonnak was interviewed by the magazine. His goal was to sharpen the Mk6 GTI even further whilst working within the constraints of the Mk5's architecture. The anti-roll bars are a bit thicker, which naturally tightens body control. They contibute to a chunkier feel through the steering on turn-in. So there is a better sense of grip and more confidence. The spring rates are also firmer.
Thus the Mk6 may have a harder ride than the Mk5.
It is for this reason I ordered ACC.
Hard Ride? I've just got out on an Audi A3 S-Line. Compared to the A3 the GTI is like a limo for me :cool:
Jim
Try the Audi S3 and you'll lose the will to live. :sick:
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^ It depends on the age imo, those both have changed a few times over the years. Car makers don't just stop developing a model when it comes out.
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I went straight from a mk5 to a mk6 both with 17".
The mk 6 (ACC) in normal mode seemed about the same (maybe slightly harder) as the mk5.
The mk6 in comfort mode turns into a mini limo. Smooth, comfortable and relaxing ride.
Sport mode when the mood takes. :evil:
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As I've got nothing better to do at present, I've decided to write a thoroughly long post and bore the pants off you. But I humbly request you to read it as it may provide some possible clarification.
I have driven the following Mk6 Golfs on dry roads:
(1) Golf Match, manual, petrol, 16" wheels, no ACC - Not pretty
(2) Golf Match, manual, petrol, 16" wheels, ACC - Not pretty
(3) Golf GT, petrol, 7 speed DSG, 17" wheels, ACC, after I took delivery of my GTI. Loked just about OK.
(4) Golf GTI, manual, 17" wheels, ACC - Best for ride + handling + looks
(5) Golf GTI, manual, 18" wheels, no ACC - Wooden spoon
(6) Golf GTI, manual, 18" wheels, ACC - Best for very good looks + handling + reasonably good ride - My car!
(7) Golf GTI, DSG, 18" wheels, ACC - Same as (6)
(8] Golf R, DSG, 19" wheels, ACC - I don't know how an R with 18" wheels would feel. What power! Amazingly planted.
I told you I have time on my hands plus an excellent memory! So enjoy the sojourn while it lasts!
Before we discuss the merits of ACC, I found Cars Nos 3, 7 & 8 most unsatisfactory due to their DSG transmissions. Maybe it is a question of getting used to it. These cars kept changing gear at the most ridiculous of times for the down shift and progress tended to be, to put it mildly, strange. But enough of DSG as it has 3 currently running threads, which will run and run until we are blue in the face. Self edited as could be considered inflammatory. :evil: :grin: :tongue:
So back to ACC.
On London roads, I ranked them as follows for ride quality:
(1) Car No 2 & 3, ACC comfort mode
(2) Car No 1
(3) Car No 4, ACC in comfort mode
(4) Cars 6 & 7 felt the same in ACC comfort mode as they should
(5) Car No 8 a bit too hard for London roads even with ACC in comfort mode. But what power, he says again!
(6) Car No 5 was unbearable. Gets the wooden spoon. :sad:
So from my limited experience, the nugget in the above range for ride quality with good looks and handling prowess is car No 4. However, very good looks are also important, so I ended up ordering car No 6 - My car!
Lastly, a Golf with 16" wheels will win no beauty contest and was out of contention.
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Asker
That's my choice too.
Perfect blend of comfort, style and fun :smiley: :evil: :smiley:
And the bluefin puts it nearly on a par with the R, for power/torque anyway, no 4WD obviously so only under certain circumstances, mainly on a straight and already moving....
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Asker
That's my choice too.
Perfect blend of comfort, style and fun :smiley: :evil: :smiley:
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I personally would like to have the 'comfort' as the 'normal' mode, make the 'comfort' mode even more comfortable, and leave the 'sport' mode as it is, it being useless for this country.
I also think that as this country fast approaches its third world status especially with respect to its roads, the German manufacturers should start producing cars for the UK of similar suspension to those for the real third world countries. Though some of them have better roads in their cities than us.
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This year's potholes are appearing already :angry:
Didn't see one in my recent trip to Germany, and that included France, Belgium and Holland, minor roads as well as motorways.
Do they build their roads in a different way or use different materials? :huh:
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This year's potholes are appearing already :angry:
Didn't see one in my recent trip to Germany, and that included France, Belgium and Holland, minor roads as well as motorways.
Do they build their roads in a different way or use different materials? :huh:
I think they do most things differently and possibly better IMO. We used to have wonderful roads in this country, but cost cutting, under investment, corruption and bad workmanship have taken their toll.
Spain has some excellent roads. But my favourite countries for most things are Germany, Austria and Switzerland, in that order. I spend as much time in Germany as I can. Having a driving holiday there in the summer + a Rhine cruise.
Back on topic.
There is one more aspect of ACC I'd like to mention and would be of interest.
VW have re-calibrated the ACC for GTI/GTD/R models to be firmer in comfort, normal and sport modes than for other Golf models.
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Am I the only person who doesn't really notice much of a difference between normal and sport ? In my old Astra, there was a definate difference- faster throttle response etc- but I don't feel this at all in the GTI.
You can really tell the difference between comfort and sport- nice around my way due to the speed humps !
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H12:
I find there is a significant difference in the car's responses, especially the ride quality, between 'normal' and 'sport' modes.
Nothing about the 'sport' mode suits me. The ride is especially too harsh and bouncy which, for me, completely spoils my enjoyment of the car. 'Normal' mode is just about acceptable, especially on our terrible tarmac.
However, these are subjective responses and one man's meat is another man's poison! :smiley:
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H12 welcome back mate.
I was just about to post and ask how many miles as i was told it does take quite a few miles for the system to start to show differences but i won't ask that question to you as i know your car came over on the same boat as mine. :smiley:
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On my car (GTD) there is a huge difference in ride between normal and sport, it's instant and very noticeable to both driver and passengers.
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On my car (GTD) there is a huge difference in ride between normal and sport, it's instant and very noticeable to both driver and passengers.
+1.
Huge. :smiley:
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H12 welcome back mate.
I was just about to post and ask how many miles as i was told it does take quite a few miles for the system to start to show differences but i won't ask that question to you as i know your car came over on the same boat as mine. :smiley:
Hi mate- hope all is well with you. I'll be logging in more frequently now I reckon
Clocked over 9k in the little silver lady now- reckon I'll get her booked in for a service in the next month or so. Not sure if there's much point in asking them to look at the ACC having no difference between normal and sport but will mention the folding mirrors work only when they choose to and if you're driving slowly in first gear, the revs either drop or race so it's not the smoothest to drive in traffic.
How's my motor's sister car doing ? Any problems Snoops ?
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This year's potholes are appearing already :angry:
Didn't see one in my recent trip to Germany, and that included France, Belgium and Holland, minor roads as well as motorways.
Do they build their roads in a different way or use different materials? :huh:
Yes, they do. Finer asphalt for a start and a much deeper sub-base, with better provision for drainage. They are built to last, unlike ours.
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Parts for the ACC are shown here:
http://www.my-gti.com/2568/components-of-the-adaptive-chassis-control-dcc-and-fitting-locations
I am no expert (and am yet to take a look at the damper for real), but it may be that cars with and cars without ACC have the same suspension with the electronics and adjustment valves being in addition?
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Maybe not - see below:
http://www.my-gti.com/2653/volkswagen-dcc-adaptive-chassis-control-design-and-function
Looks like they are different dampers.
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H12 welcome back mate.
I was just about to post and ask how many miles as i was told it does take quite a few miles for the system to start to show differences but i won't ask that question to you as i know your car came over on the same boat as mine. :smiley:
Hi mate- hope all is well with you. I'll be logging in more frequently now I reckon
Clocked over 9k in the little silver lady now- reckon I'll get her booked in for a service in the next month or so. Not sure if there's much point in asking them to look at the ACC having no difference between normal and sport but will mention the folding mirrors work only when they choose to and if you're driving slowly in first gear, the revs either drop or race so it's not the smoothest to drive in traffic.
How's my motor's sister car doing ? Any problems Snoops ?
Quite a few squeeks and rattles and door cards that make cracking noises when pushed near the decorative trim strips (which i thought was a rattle from the rear but its the door panels when i go over bumps), all i will speak to them about when it does for a service in March. Mine also does that rev thing but im learning to drive round it.
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Parts for the ACC are shown here:
http://www.my-gti.com/2568/components-of-the-adaptive-chassis-control-dcc-and-fitting-locations
I am no expert (and am yet to take a look at the damper for real), but it may be that cars with and cars without ACC have the same suspension with the electronics and adjustment valves being in addition?
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Maybe not - see below:
http://www.my-gti.com/2653/volkswagen-dcc-adaptive-chassis-control-design-and-function
Looks like they are different dampers.
Thanks for posting those links - I've been looking for some more detailed system info. :smiley:
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[[/quote] Quite a few squeeks and rattles and door cards that make cracking noises when pushed near the decorative trim strips (which i thought was a rattle from the rear but its the door panels when i go over bumps), all i will speak to them about when it does for a service in March. Mine also does that rev thing but im learning to drive round it.
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Mine only has the one squeak- they can't have been in as much of a rush to get it on the boat over here as yours :wink:- which seems to come from the front passenger's seat but apart from that, can't really complain.
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^^
I thought the squeaks issue was resolved months ago.
VW rubber care stick or Autoglym rubber spray. Works wonders.
Mine had a few after the first month or so, all quiet now.
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I thought the squeaks issue was resolved months ago.
VW rubber care stick or Autoglym rubber spray. Works wonders.
Mine had a few after the first month or so, all quiet now.
That squeek of the rubbers yes but not the decorative trim strip cracking, ticking noise as it moves on the door, that 3 of my doors suffer but the passenger door badly to the point it sounds like rear suspension noise every time you hit a pebble.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/MK6%20Golf/th_Video-0007.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/MK6%20Golf/?action=view¤t=Video-0007.mp4)
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sounds like rear suspension noise every time you hit a pebble.
I don't like the sound of that one bit :sad:
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sounds like rear suspension noise every time you hit a pebble.
I don't like the sound of that one bit :sad:
Because its off topic :grin: If you click the photo above you can hear it. Its actually sounds like that but louder in real life.