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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: mysticman aka polypathetic on 20 February 2005, 10:09

Title: power gain
Post by: mysticman aka polypathetic on 20 February 2005, 10:09
hi all
thinking of getting an induction kit
does anyone have one fitted and what are the average power gains as a result
what are the best brand to get and where from
its a lot of question i know but i'm sure lots of you have one or two fitted at some point in your lives so i should get some decent feedback
cheers
j
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: Optimus Wol on 20 February 2005, 12:44
to be honest mate they dont make that much difference power wise. it is better to have one though, better respiration for the engine and so forth. looks good under the bonnet too :cool:

for any noticable power gains you gotta be looking at having some head work done, cams etc, but thats when it gets pricey. hope this helped.
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: simoncjohn on 25 February 2005, 21:12
i have a K&N induction kit (approx ?80) together with a full  power flow exhaustand i got an additional 15bhp (115 to 130bhp) gain - try demon tweeks for kit! I also have an FSE fuel boost valve which has increased my power to 150bhp!

Simon. :smiley:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 26 February 2005, 00:15
Yeah and the queen is my mum ?:laugh:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mysticman aka polypathetic on 26 February 2005, 00:35
hummmm interesting
got any readouts to prove
not that i don't believe you or anything
lol
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: simoncjohn on 26 February 2005, 11:28
hhmmmm, yes.... what would be the purpose of bullsh!tting!
this forum is meant to help and advise other golf owners amongst other things - so surely it would be pretty pointless to make stuff up!

golfvr6-is-back is your name Andrew of Edward by any chance??? :tongue:

Title: Re: power gain
Post by: surreylad1980 on 26 February 2005, 14:50
hi simoncjohn, where did u get that power boost valve from, i have a k&n induction, maybe no increase of bhp, but seems to give a bit more in midrange
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: simoncjohn on 26 February 2005, 15:02
Hi there, i got it from Rowley's Performance Engineering in Cullompton, Devon. circa ?100, ?80 for two rolling road tests and tune.

Simon.

I can give you their number if you're in this part of the world.
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: surreylad1980 on 28 February 2005, 10:48
Hi simon,

i live in surrey i am afraid, do they have a website

gary
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: Overseer on 28 February 2005, 11:34
power boost valves are snake oil... they notoriously troublesome and _not_ proven to work very well.
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: Overseer on 28 February 2005, 16:45

Advertising Standards Authority ruling


ohh u know they can't advertise anymore...   thanks to this.. http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/Adjudication%20Details.htm?adjudication_id=37807


read this >> http://forum.parkers.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15589
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: simoncjohn on 28 February 2005, 19:13
Yeah sure, try this link - http://www.proven-products.co.uk/products/fse_power_boost_valves.htm

I don't know why Overseer has posted a link to the ASA - this refers to Ecotek valve... although he is right they are crap and notoriously fiddly to fit and offer nor performance. Not really sure what this has to do my FSE valve (an FSE power boost valve was originally designed for competition use so it has been tried and tested)?
If you get one get it fitted by performance tuning company not a DIY job as the bar has to be set correctly. If in doubt ring RPE and ask their advice. their number is 01884 266243.

hope this helps,
Simon.
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: Overseer on 28 February 2005, 19:46
riight.. my bad... it sounded like the same thing.. not having heard of hte FSE name before..? :evil:





btw where are you situated since you mentioned cullompton? i'm in taunton
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mysticman aka polypathetic on 01 March 2005, 00:28
hhmmmm, yes.... what would be the purpose of bullsh!tting!
this forum is meant to help and advise other golf owners amongst other things - so surely it would be pretty pointless to make stuff up!

golfvr6-is-back is your name Andrew of Edward by any chance??? :tongue:
sorry if i upset, i was being serious
i concider my activities on this forum to be genuine
i'm not out to dis anyone
if you have readout i'm interested-serious
mail me  a copy
sick of being fookin wazed over on the road
neeeeeed mooorrrreee power
know what i mean
i've looked into various forms of increasing my hp just going through the motions before i go out and get myself a supercharger from the states
which you can get for an 8v 2.0
but an increase from 115bhp to 160bhp does seem to ring my bell for the sum of ?900


Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mysticman aka polypathetic on 01 March 2005, 00:30
erm that came out wrong the bit after the smily was me don't know what happened
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: redcarboy on 01 March 2005, 01:25
www.greedspeed.com

8V Supercharger... :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: $1999

Still why would you bother when you can get a mk2 valver for a grand.. :huh: :huh: :grin:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 01 March 2005, 09:29
Of course i believe him.
I've just got a k&n and a sports exhaust on my vr.
On the rollers it did 225 bhp at the flywheel.
Just think i could get 260bhp with a remap  :laugh:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mrwotto on 01 March 2005, 09:44
50bhp increase from stock with just a sports zorst and a k&n did not realise it would give that much of an increase   :undecided:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: simoncjohn on 01 March 2005, 20:08
No worries guys, i'll scan the figures and i can email to anyone who's interested!

i'm a little envious of golfVR6-is-back - 225BHP now that's what i call a lot of fun!! what's your fuel consumption like?/running costs etc??

now who says an 8v can't be fun!! :laugh:

Simon.

p.s. why doe the media slate the mk3?? i'm sick of hearing ohhh the mk1 is the best, oh no a 16v mk2 is better etc...
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mysticman aka polypathetic on 01 March 2005, 22:59
mk1s are classics
mk2s have poise
mk3s have grace (gorgeous lookin motor)
mk4s have querkyness (tadd boring if you ask me)
mk5s too modern to rate but sweet finish all round

someone design a program so all members can poll to see once and for all which is favourite
it will probably be the mk3 gti 16v
but hey u never no
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: Overseer on 02 March 2005, 09:49
p.s. why doe the media slate the mk3?? i'm sick of hearing ohhh the mk1 is the best, oh no a 16v mk2 is better etc...

When the MK3 GTI was first launched (before they put out the 16v and vr6) it was more sluggish/softer than the MK2s.. and to make things worse it came out of the gate as the worst performing GTI in the history of the marque. VWs quoted 0-60 time is over 10 seconds?!

The 16v could almost have brought some of that respect back.. but even with the extra displacement and power it was still (only just mind you!) second best off the line performance wise to the MK2 16v (8.5 secs vs 8.. altho the MK3s top speed is higher). Thats why the VR6 became 'the MK3 to have' as it outperformed _all_ previous golfs. But for many the insurance premiums scared them off.

Thing is.. the problem isn't entirely VWs fault.. the market at the time had switched to being heavily anti hot hatch. so they had to mature the model a bit. Plus new EU safety sh!t upped the weight.

Fact is.. I personally think the MK3 16v is a 'slept on' car. Outside the MK2 16v and the MK3 vr6 it matches and outperforms everything up to the second/revamped generation of Mk4 turbo's.

look at the performance chart JV once made here.. http://www.golfgti.co.uk/viewfeature_content.asp?featureID=11


(btw I know I've left out models like G60s etc.. as they aren't commonplace.)
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mrwotto on 02 March 2005, 13:13
I would like to see a copy of these scanned in rolling road figures, pm me when you get then and I will give you my email by return, and if you like host them so they can be seen by all on the forum!

Paul
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: redcarboy on 02 March 2005, 14:54
ooo interesting read that figure table extra 10 mph and 2 sec's 0-60 for an extra 8v think i can live with the difference. :lipsrsealed: :grin:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: Overseer on 02 March 2005, 15:21
the gap between a mk2 16v and mk3 16v is even closer... 0.5 secs..
the gap between a mk3 16v and vr6 icloser too... 1.4 secs..


but as i'm sure someone will say.. 0-60 times aren't the only measure of performance..


this "Is the mk3 gti 8v slow? " thread from the dark.. or should i say black old days kinda sums it up..

YES? 29 (70.7%)
NO? 12 (29.3%)


http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=7036.0



blacky made a nice power to weight ratio chart n all kindsa stuff to try show how 'equal' to other GTIs the 8v mk3 is.. but it kinda proved the opposite..
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: mrwotto on 02 March 2005, 16:03
Is it  just me or is the "mk2 v mk3" and or "mk3  8v v mk3 16v"  Getting a tad boring

This kind of thread happens at least once a month, and to be honest in my opinion is getting very boring.

We all have different opinions on which is best, but in my opinion any gti is fun :grin:
Title: Re: power gain
Post by: redcarboy on 02 March 2005, 16:51
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=7036.0

I loved this thread it made me laugh... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :wink: