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General => General discussion => Topic started by: VeeDubGTI16v on 27 December 2010, 11:32
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so, mk's 1-5, how are you coping without winter tyres :laugh:
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Perfectly ok, don't know what all the fuss is about. :grin:
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Has a Volcano erupted somewhere? :rolleyes:
Thom
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All good here :grin:
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pretty good. Just one moment going uphill with a bit of slush but apart from that the car has coped quite well. Needs a damn good clean though.
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Just fine in the bus with my summer tyres :cool: and my parking/drive/road is a sheet of ice, not had any problems. Even managed to pick my boss up when his Alfa wouldn't start because it was -11 and apparently if it's -10 or lower the car won't start because of battery safety :huh:
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.... mk6?? :rolleyes:
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well we all know how well the MK6 gang are coping/not coping with winter tyres/snowsocks/bluefin/PCPs/nice4beddetatchedinthesuburbswithgarage!
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What are these 'winter tyre' things you speak of? :huh:
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What are these 'winter tyre' things you speak of? :huh:
I think you use them when going to the North Pole where they have 2ft of snow fall every hour.
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Winter tyres is the new Emperors New Clothes!
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I'm doing just fine with my proxes thank you :cool:
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It's no longer a matter of coping.
With winter tyres I just drive about as normal.
Best upgrade ever.
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What are these 'winter tyre' things you speak of? :huh:
Remove your pride and joy bottle tops and fit 4 space savers :grin:
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M6 GTD :rolleyes: goes anywhere anytime with the ESP button off!! :smug:
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well we all know how well the MK6 gang are coping/not coping with winter tyres/snowsocks/bluefin/PCPs/nice4beddetatchedinthesuburbswithgarage!
what are these things you speak of?
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Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xByBCXLQ-ic
With 4Motion and some driving skill.
Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
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Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you live in Scotland yes I can see the point otherwise no point, I have managed all ok so far just a matter of being carefull etc.
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Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xByBCXLQ-ic
With 4Motion and some driving skill.
Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
Agree totally with this those winter tyres will be completely worn out in no time inbetween the snowy spells.
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tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
Ooops....
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Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
He's coming in for some stick tonight :rolleyes:
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Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
He's coming in for some stick tonight :rolleyes:
Is it all the same guy?? It's not the bloke who calls his car Wolfgang as well is it?
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tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
Ooops....
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Now thats a cracker :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
Link, please.
Wayne, one L in careful. :rolleyes:
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I made a right old mess of this :grin:
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tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
Link, please.
Wayne, one L in careful. :rolleyes:
I'm guessing this is it. I'm bored, but not bored enough to read it:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175449.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175449.0)
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Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
He's coming in for some stick tonight :rolleyes:
Is it all the same guy?? It's not the bloke who calls his car Wolfgang as well is it?
It is yes, it all seems worse as he has more of a blog going on over there rather than a forum style if you get my drift?
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my "summer tryes" seem to cope with all temperatures (sideways and skidding excepted!) I just need to brake that bit sooner and expect wheel spin at every junction!
then again I've got 100bhp and traction control! :grin:
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Copied from another thread.
Any cars I drive are on summer tyres and I still can't resist having the car diagonally going down the lane. :grin:
Personally I can see both sides. The driving I've been doing doesn't warrant winter tyres. I've only got stuck once with a BMW and that was in the yard at work. Even if I had the best tyres in the world, I'd still stick to 15/20 down the fairly tight, ungritted roads around work, despite the Range Rover up my arse.
However, where we're moving to is on a hill both sides and none of it is gritted. FAIRLY remote and NEED a car living there, me dad and mum. Not being horrible or whatever but really think my mum would benefit from a set and I reckon if I can get some decent price, I will too if we move there.
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Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry but that is nuts, for £1500 you could buy a winter car and park the mk6 in the garage.
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
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Winter tyres in Southern England are for those lacking any form of driving skill, or common sense, and the over-cautious.
tell that to the chap in the MK6 section who just spent £1500 on winter wheels and tyres!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry but that is nuts, for £1500 you could buy a winter car and park the mk6 in the garage.
Get a Rover 216.
Honda engine and box, reliable and would have a MK3 GTI 8v.
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING in the snow, no idea how or why but it stops well, gets grip (until you beach it in the yard) and most importantly you don't care too much about it. :afro:
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
Fair point but still makes more sense than paying £1500 for a set of wheels and tyres.
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
Fair point but still makes more sense than paying £1500 for a set of wheels and tyres.
Wheels that he has admitted he is scared to damage :rolleyes:
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The tyres are still en route BTW :smiley:
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The tyres are still en route BTW :smiley:
:grin:
For 1500 he could buy himself a mk3 for the winter rag the sh!t out of it then post it up as mint =p
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175943.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175943.0)
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
Fair point but still makes more sense than paying £1500 for a set of wheels and tyres.
Wheels that he has admitted he is scared to damage :rolleyes:
So what is the point in fitting them then :huh:
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
Fair point but still makes more sense than paying £1500 for a set of wheels and tyres.
Wheels that he has admitted he is scared to damage :rolleyes:
So what is the point in fitting them then :huh:
He has a Mk6 mate..........
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
Fair point but still makes more sense than paying £1500 for a set of wheels and tyres.
Wheels that he has admitted he is scared to damage :rolleyes:
So what is the point in fitting them then :huh:
He has a Mk6 mate..........
:grin:
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Ah well tis his money, if he feels like he's getting the value out of them then allow it.
Last year inwent with the buy a £1000 Disco for snow duties.... Worked well an now iv stuck with 4x4!
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as if he'd lower himself down to drive a £1500 car :lipsrsealed:
Fair point but still makes more sense than paying £1500 for a set of wheels and tyres.
Wheels that he has admitted he is scared to damage :rolleyes:
So what is the point in fitting them then :huh:
My mistake, I misread the thread when I skim read it! He's too scared to damage his original wheels, hence spending £1500 on alternative ones. How much is the cost of a refurb? :rolleyes:
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Ah well tis his money, if he feels like he's getting the value out of them then allow it.
SOMEONE ELSE THAT SAYS IT! :grin:
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Lots of talk from people who've never used winter tyres...those that have, know.
I'll not be without after using them for the last 7-8 winters....but then again, I'm not some shandy drinker that lives on the south coast and things anything under 10 degrees C is cold.
As for the cost...if you've dropped £30k into a new Mk6 GTi...what's £1500?
Fcuk all, that's what.
Winter car = good idea...if you have the space to park it.
Some don't...with on street parking etc.
Just because it seems sensible to you, doesn't mean it'll work for everyone.
Personally, i'd rather be able to drive the car I've just spent so much money on, every day, regardless of the weather.
I have 18" BBS CHs with winter tyres on...over £2000 worth. Does that make me insane?
When I was running the Mk3 daily, I ran 16" BBS RXIIs with winter tyres on - nearly £2000 worth if bought new.
Clearly I'm bonkers.
Or maybe I just want to get to where I'm going safely?
Maybe I should be running my £1500 Mk3 instead of my Mk6?
Er, no...I'd rather bend the white goods Mk6 and keep my Mk3 safely in the garage...but each to their own I guess.
I'll get back to the Mk6 forum now...and continue worrying about my winter tyres/bluefin/boughtandpaidforGTI/nice5beddetatchedinthesuburbswithdoublegarage!
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30k for a new MK6 GTI? Why not buy a Golf R? :undecided:
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30k for a new MK6 GTI? Why not buy a Golf R? :undecided:
Because it wasn't available when I ordered my GTI (had an 8 month wait for that) and when I was given the option to move my deposit to an R, the spec I wanted came to £38k.
I'm daft...but I'm not that daft.
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Cheer up Essthree! And don't worry so much about your bluefin/tyres/boughtandpaidforGTI/nice5beddetatchedinthesuburbswithgarage .... They'll be just fine in the cold too!
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Could have bought a garage :smiley:
Fair enough though, each to their own.
Could of bought a snow plow if your that worried.
I'm not worried...I have my winter tyres on which means I can actually go places. :grin:
If VW didn't follow the fashion of fitting overly large, wide wheels to their cars (and owners fitting even larger ones..like me! Doh!) then the cars would be better in the snow, and may not need winter tyres.
As it is, a 2.0T Golf wearing 225 wide summer tyres won't get out of the driveway in the snow...no matter how good a driver you think you are. You can't use the force to find traction.
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Cheer up Essthree! And don't worry so much about your bluefin/tyres/boughtandpaidforGTI/nice5beddetatchedinthesuburbswithgarage .... They'll be just fine in the cold too!
I hope so...it's tucked up in my lovely heated garage/workshop next to the Mk3.
As long as the roof doesn't fall in due to the weight of snow...
...and if it does, please only hit the Mk6. I can get another of them.
The Mk3 I'd struggle to replace.
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Ive gotta ask you ess_three...
Which car is faster? Take it the tug boat puts more of a smile on your face?
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Ive gotta ask you ess_three...
Which car is faster? Take it the tug boat puts more of a smile on your face?
Which is faster depends on who's driving it.
Anyone can jump into a mildly tweaked Mk6 GTI and get it cracking at a hell of a pace...it's just good straight from the showroom, and it'll forgive a lack of driving talent as the electronics sort things out.
If you are in the mood, and get keyed into it...I'd say the Mk3 would be quicker on a back road and faster round a track...but you have to learn how to get the best out of it.
The thing is, you can go silly quick in the Mk6, with a passenger, chatting away and listening to music.
In the Mk6 you buckle up, hold on, and enjoy 7300RPM as a soundtrack.
The Mk6 is a great daily driver. Real world as quick.
The Mk3 is a noisy, crude, bone shaking device...that just loves to be hammered...and makes you grin like a loony doing it.
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Couldn't give a shoot if someone wants to spend 1500 on rims with winter tyres TBH. If you've got the dosh why not.
This is all very inverse snobbery.
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MK3 faster than MK6!!!
No wonder you didn't post that in the MK6 section.
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In Aberdeenshire winter tyres make a lot of sense - you're on the same latitude as Gothenburg in Denmark!
You have a lot more winter than we do on the Isle of Wight. :grin:
Ever think you shoulda got a 4motion?
We love ours throughout the year. :grin:
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In Aberdeenshire winter tyres make a lot of sense - you're on the same latitude as Gothenburg in Denmark!
You have a lot more winter than we do on the Isle of Wight. :grin:
Ever think you shoulda got a 4motion?
We love ours throughout the year. :grin:
Gothenburg is in Sweden :rolleyes:
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In Aberdeenshire winter tyres make a lot of sense - you're on the same latitude as Gothenburg in Denmark!
You have a lot more winter than we do on the Isle of Wight. :grin:
Ever think you shoulda got a 4motion?
We love ours throughout the year. :grin:
Gothenburg is in Sweden.
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DH is geography fail shocker :shocked:
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DH is in geography fail shocker :shocked:
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It's a bank holiday. My brain is off, too.
Ironic seeing as I've actually been there. :grin:
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well we all know how well the MK6 gang are coping/not coping with winter tyres/snowsocks/bluefin/PCPs/nice4beddetatchedinthesuburbswithgarage!
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MK3 faster than MK6!!!
No wonder you didn't post that in the MK6 section.
I think you'll find the Mk6 section is fully aware of my thoughts on my Mk6 shopping car, and the fact that the Mk3 will still be in the garage long after the Mk6 has gone.
The Mk6 is a great car...and quick with minimum effort...but my Mk3 is a 10 year+ labour of love.
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It's a bank holiday. My brain is off, too.
Ironic seeing as I've actually been there. :grin:
Bank Holiday was yesterday.
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It's a bank holiday. My brain is off, too.
Ironic seeing as I've actually been there. :grin:
Bank Holiday was yesterday.
:grin:
And today
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MK3 faster than MK6!!!
No wonder you didn't post that in the MK6 section.
I think you'll find the Mk6 section is fully aware of my thoughts on my Mk6 shopping car, and the fact that the Mk3 will still be in the garage long after the Mk6 has gone.
The Mk6 is a great car...and quick with minimum effort...but my Mk3 is a 10 year+ labour of love.
Good to know..
Having never read you in t'other sections I woulnd't have known your love for the MK3.
I stand corrected.
Jonathan.
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You prefer a MK3 over a MK6?! :shocked:
You really are daft after all ! :grin:
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It's a bank holiday. My brain is off, too.
Ironic seeing as I've actually been there. :grin:
Bank Holiday was yesterday.
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And today
Really?????
How is Tuesday a Bank Holiday?
Boxing Day was Sunday so carries forward to Monday. Is it coz' Christmas Day was on Saturday - -double rollover.
As a caveat, I've always lost track of what day it is between Christmas and New Year.
Jonathan.
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I have never laughed so much during and after this thread. You guys sound like a bunch of hysterical, chattering, frustrated housewives with a serious 'knickers in a twist syndrome'.
Fortunately, for me, £1440 is not a great deal of money. I am having fun and that's what it is all about.
The Monza Shadows cost nearly £500 each, and from what I know, are pretty impossible to fix when kerbed. As I don't like driving a car with kerbed or damaged rims and as this can be a greater possibility in harsh winter conditions, I bought a set of four VMR 710s for the princely sum of £410, delivered. I will use these with my outrageously expensive Michelin PA3 'W' rated winter tyres.
The Monza Shadows will be shod, as per my signature, with new summer wear come March. More fabulous, delightful expense.
You should be pleased that I spend my money and contribute in some small way to help the pathetic economic state of our country.
So, contrary to what you all think and feel, I am undoubtedly a 'do gooder' and you should be celebrating this and attempt to desist from admonishing me for my generosity.
Happy and Prosperous New Year to all of you kind, considerate and thoughtful human beings.
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Boxing Day & Because it says so in my Radio Times (not in Scotland they get an extra one at New Year).
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I feel out-FAILED.
Especially by the Golf6 owner, who's thanking himself for supporting our economy by buying winter tyres from France. :grin:
Please admonish your gormless self.
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I feel out-FAILED.
Especially by the Golf6 owner, who's thanking himself for supporting our economy by buying winter tyres from France. :grin:
Please admonish your gormless self.
You silly sod. None availble or could be made available in this country. You are a fool.
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Lack of forward planning on your part, panic-buyng numpty.
Do let me know how buying in France is contributing to the UK economy though.
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Lack of forward planning on your part, panic-buyng numpty.
Do let me know how buying in France is contributing to the UK economy though.
Will be fitted in the UK. UK has to be grateful, unfortunately, for small mercies. Tried for 3 months to get these tyres in the UK. Got fed up. Tyres were sourced from Germany by pneus.
The sooner this country gets its act together the better. But I have little or no hope left anymore.
A very sad state we are in.
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Stop moaning about this country, try Ireland, or some of our other european "neighbours".
The countries that we are propping up.
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Stop moaning about this country, try Ireland, or some of our other european "neighbours".
The countries that we are propping up.
This. :grin:
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Stop moaning about this country, try Ireland, or some of our other european "neighbours".
The countries that we are propping up.
I am not moaning. I am just stating facts.
Those neighbours you are talking about are small fry. Compare with Germany and the differences are pretty obvious. We should be more aspirational.
Anyway, enough of this thread.
Goodbye.
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It does get very tiring reading people complain about our economy.
It is still stronger than most of the countries in europe.
Even the United States is struggling at the moment.
But hey, getting a few tyres fitted will make all the difference :grin:
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You should be pleased that I spend my money and contribute in some small way to help the pathetic economic state of our country.
Yet you state in the thread on the MK6 board that you will claim them against your tax meaning they cost you nearly nothing.......good contribution that.....
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Fortunately, for me, £1440 is not a great deal of money. I am having fun and that's what it is all about.
Lucky you
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The MK6 forum is where the latest money is at a guess.
Unfortunately they come across as posh thingys.
Perhaps it's jealousy.......
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Money isn't everything :tongue:
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A fool and his money...
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A fool and his money...
I'll just take the first part. :afro:
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If you have the money and you wont go hungry, why not.
Winter tyres, resprays, expensive wheels or engine conversions.
Whats the difference. lol
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Unfortunately some people that make alot money consider themselves considerably 'better' than everyone else.
That where the problem lies :tongue:
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You should be pleased that I spend my money and contribute in some small way to help the pathetic economic state of our country.
Yet you state in the thread on the MK6 board that you will claim them against your tax meaning they cost you nearly nothing.......good contribution that.....
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far too much willy waving gayness here
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Far too many Mk6 owners in here
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Far too many Mk6 owners in here
i rest my case
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hum, :evil: If someone had spend loads on modding there mk2 or mk3, there would be wow thats great, with its 2mm ground clearence and 20" spaced out alloys. But because someone actually improved the saftey of there car by buying winter tyres so reducing stopping distances, improving grip etc they get ripped to bits. I guess thats the difference, when you grow up and have to pay the bills you look at practical things to help you get to work to pay the bills to keep your spotty horny 17-22 year old in uni with their ride running on bags with fat rims.
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^^^ :grin:
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I wonder how many understand the level of sarcasm in this topic.
& Dom, you are SUCH a b!tch. :grin: :grin: :grin::kiss:
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hum, :evil: If someone had spend loads on modding there mk2 or mk3, there would be wow thats great, with its 2mm ground clearence and 20" spaced out alloys. But because someone actually improved the saftey of there car by buying winter tyres so reducing stopping distances, improving grip etc they get ripped to bits. I guess thats the difference, when you grow up and have to pay the bills you look at practical things to help you get to work to pay the bills to keep your spotty horny 17-22 year old in uni with their ride running on bags with fat rims.
:grin: :tongue: :evil: :wink:
Properly lol'd :grin:
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hum, :evil: If someone had spend loads on modding there mk2 or mk3, there would be wow thats great, with its 2mm ground clearence and 20" spaced out alloys. But because someone actually improved the saftey of there car by buying winter tyres so reducing stopping distances, improving grip etc they get ripped to bits. I guess thats the difference, when you grow up and have to pay the bills you look at practical things to help you get to work to pay the bills to keep your spotty horny 17-22 year old in uni with their ride running on bags with fat rims.
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Or... Maybe... Just Maybe... We run "all season" tyres? oh theres a thought.. and maybe i have grown up, and pay bills, oh and i probably do more for this country than you.. bless you and your bullsh!t comments that make no sense...As for the Safety issue, i am sure the drilled and vented discs and performance pads mixed with a decent tyre is plenty enough to reduce my stopping distance...But then again, driving experience is the winner here and driving all around the world i think helps.
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I have KUMHO's all round, are they good?
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Im running remoulds.. the guy at the garage said that they give "hollywood squeels" if you corner hard.. that got me buying them..
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Exactly. Mine are fine when stationary.
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I sanded off all the writing on my tyres too for that.. "euro" look
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I vtec'd mine off.
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I vtec'd mine off.
none of that waiting around until 8k revs for me.. i just squinted my eyes to blur out the letters
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I vtec'd mine off.
none of that waiting around until 8k revs for me.. i just squinted my eyes to blur out the letters
What trainers are you wearing in the snow to get enough traction to stand by your car long enough to squint?
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I vtec'd mine off.
none of that waiting around until 8k revs for me.. i just squinted my eyes to blur out the letters
What trainers are you wearing in the snow to get enough traction to stand by your car long enough to squint?
I just hang out of the window..
you should try it. especially if you can multitask. great combination whilst you are looking for power
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Trainers. On snow :grin: Hes not got a top brand of the latest fashion so is afraid to say incase he gets told there rubbish.. :grin: :evil:
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Trainers. On snow :grin: Hes not got a top brand of the latest fashion so is afraid to say incase he gets told there rubbish.. :grin: :evil:
ssshhhh snoops. dont give away the game to officer dribble.... this is a case he has to crack on his own :laugh:
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Contact bellend, he might have some spare de-icer for that window issue.
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Because I am experienced in all manners of travel I have adopted the tennis racquet and bunjee cord approach.. you see.. when we have a problem with the car... we fix it...we don't put it into vw because we worry about our service history.. and we apply the same approach for real life.. I even have salt shakers attached to each tennis racquet to apply salt as i walk...
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Contact bellend, he might have some spare de-icer for that window issue.
:huh:
confusing case notes?
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Because I am experienced in all manners of travel I have adopted the tennis racquet and bunjee cord approach.. you see.. when we have a problem with the car... we fix it...we don't put it into vw because we worry about our service history.. and we apply the same approach for real life.. I even have salt shakers attached to each tennis racquet to apply salt as i walk...
wow you really are a bored welsh lad :grin:
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Contact bellend, he might have some spare de-icer for that window issue.
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confusing case notes?
Sorry, i think i left them on a train.
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Contact bellend, he might have some spare de-icer for that window issue.
Actually, I prefer getting in the car, starting it, pressing that heated windscreen button and by the time I've plugged my phone in the car, I just drive off.
Perhaps a quick deicer on the side windows.
If my windscreen ever goes on my car, I'll consider saving up for one with a heated element in it.
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Contact bellend, he might have some spare de-icer for that window issue.
Actually, I prefer getting in the car, starting it, pressing that heated windscreen button and by the time I've plugged my phone in the car, I just drive off.
Perhaps a quick deicer on the side windows.
If my windscreen ever goes on my car, I'll consider saving up for one with a heated element in it.
My de-icing runs something like this...
1. walk out of house with keys in hand
2. press electric garage open button
3. unlock vehicle and climb into said vehicle
4. start engine and drive out of garage
5. press garage door close...
Jesus its hardwork driving such an old car...
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So do tell. Is there some special reason it's only the MkVI people who're falling in love with winter tyres? The wide tyres? The DSG (don't think so)?
Mine was like Bambi on ice last year, couldn't get up the hill to the main road, nearly didn't get back into my drive one evening. Had to be dug out of the work car park twice.
Swore that wasn't going to happen again.
Paid £240 for a pair of winter tyres, which was a no-brainer since I needed new front tyres anyway, and the thing is now running as if it had grown caterpillar tracks. Got into work on a day almost nobody else did (and had to go home again because we were closed - access roads too dangerous). Did stuff I would otherwise only have tried in a Land Rover and got away with it. Took the hill to the main road without a pause. Ended up getting co-opted to ferry a bunch of mates around because my car was the only one that was capable of getting there (there being Edinburgh).
Best £240 I spent in a long time.
So what's the problem, geniuses?
Rolfe.
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how much :shocked: thought the mk6 owners were the only ones daft enough to pay that.
winter tyers arn't all that IMO a high quality summer tyer that's not track orintated will outperform a winter tyer untill it's on snow, yes on snow the winter tyer will fair a bit better but not that much better and ice bugger them up anyway.
i had winter tyers last year and was quite disapointed with them so i sold them and went back to £24 round black things made by kingpin. it got a bit further up some of the hills with the winter tyers than it did with the nasty cheep kingpins but further up is not good enough unless its the top :smiley:
I have a set of chains in teh car and when snow and ice is involved i have found myself needing them or not needing them regardless of what tyers are on the car.
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So do tell. Is there some special reason it's only the MkVI people who're falling in love with winter tyres? The wide tyres? The DSG (don't think so)?
Mine was like Bambi on ice last year, couldn't get up the hill to the main road, nearly didn't get back into my drive one evening. Had to be dug out of the work car park twice.
Swore that wasn't going to happen again.
Paid £240 for a pair of winter tyres, which was a no-brainer since I needed new front tyres anyway, and the thing is now running as if it had grown caterpillar tracks. Got into work on a day almost nobody else did (and had to go home again because we were closed - access roads too dangerous). Did stuff I would otherwise only have tried in a Land Rover and got away with it. Took the hill to the main road without a pause. Ended up getting co-opted to ferry a bunch of mates around because my car was the only one that was capable of getting there (there being Edinburgh).
Best £240 I spent in a long time.
So what's the problem, geniuses?
Rolfe.
You paid 240 quid and turned up for work when you didn't need to........ Should have saved your money.... :wink:
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Contact bellend, he might have some spare de-icer for that window issue.
:huh:
confusing case notes?
Sorry, i think i left them on a train.
Again?
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I don't care what anyone says, if you can't drive very well then you aint going to get much use out of winter tyres
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I don't care what anyone says, if you can't drive very well then you aint going to get much use out of winter tyres
what if you can drive well?
have you tried winter tyres?
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how much :shocked: thought the mk6 owners were the only ones daft enough to pay that.
winter tyers arn't all that IMO a high quality summer tyer that's not track orintated will outperform a winter tyer untill it's on snow, yes on snow the winter tyer will fair a bit better but not that much better and ice bugger them up anyway.
i had winter tyers last year and was quite disapointed with them so i sold them and went back to £24 round black things made by kingpin. it got a bit further up some of the hills with the winter tyers than it did with the nasty cheep kingpins but further up is not good enough unless its the top :smiley:
I have a set of chains in teh car and when snow and ice is involved i have found myself needing them or not needing them regardless of what tyers are on the car.
I still don't think £120 a tyre is especially expensive for those fat MkVI tyres. Certainly not compared to what I hear some other people shelling out.
Snow. Well, that was the problem, wasn't it. Heaps and piles of the stuff. And the MkVI wasn't going anywhere in it thankyouverymuch. At best it was bloody embarrassing (the neighbours were laughing at me from their SUVs) and at worst it was verging on dangerous.
I got a set of AutoSocks which were bloody marvellous and would be just the job for the occasional emergency get-you-out or get-you-home. But when they come off they're soaking and filthy, and although they're easier to handle than snow chains, I still found them a bit of a struggle to get on - worse when I developed a frozen shoulder. The great thing about the winter tyres is that they're on all the time, no "oh my God look at that I'm going to have to shovel six inches of snow from the driveway just to run the car out to get the space to fit the AutoSocks." And you're not restricted to 30mph while you're wearing them either, and you don't have to stop once you get to the gritted road and haul the filthy soaking things off.
The difference with the winter tyres is phenomenal. They have turned a car which was a static, wheel-spinning waste of steel into something that performs better than the 4WD SUVs in summer tyres. Best £240 I spent in a long time. Especially since we have just had a decree at work that if we can't get in and the place isn't officially closed (and they've just employed a different contractor to clear the estate roads and say it will NOT be officially closed again short of a couple of feet of the white stuff), then it's on our own time. Take holiday or don't get paid.
So I'll ask again. Are the earlier GTi models better in the snow than the MkVI? Why is it only the MKVI owners who are reporting such a phenomenal improvement?
Except, IRL outside the forum, it isn't just them. The people round here who have fitted the things are all raving about them, irrespective of the make or model of their car. So what's going on?
Rolfe.
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Just to let you see what we're up against.
(http://www.b5-dark-mirror.demon.co.uk/snow13.jpg)
The summer tyres needed that drive scraped down to the tarmac, pretty much, before I could get out. With the winters, I can ignore even a couple of inches. And then there was the little matter of what lay beyond the cleared drive. With the summer tyres it was anybody's guess whether I'd even get out of the cul-de-sac. With the winters, I just drove the car at it and the wheels kept turning.
What's not to like?
Rolfe.
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I don't care what anyone says, if you can't drive very well then you aint going to get much use out of winter tyres
Utter rubbish.
My Mother has got winter tyres on her Fabia and gets about as if there is no snow.
Without them she couldn't get out of her driveway.
She's my Mother FFS and drives a 1.2 Fabia...hardly a great driver in a fancy car.
Winter tyres make winter driving safer for people without any special knowlewdge of driving in very dodgy conditions.
That's the point of them.
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The people round here who have fitted the things are all raving about them, irrespective of the make or model of their car. So what's going on?
You don't spend hundreds or thousands of pounds/Euros on fandango tyres and then NOT tell everyone how great they are, do you?
What's not to like?
Your driving by the sounds of it. :grin:
So I'll ask again. Are the earlier GTi models better in the snow than the MkVI? Why is it only the MKVI owners who are reporting such a phenomenal improvement?
Probably, yes - no ESP to interfere with the two driven wheels, skinnier tyres, less power, owners with more common sense. The only vehicle I've driving with effective ESP in snow is my Passat, because it has drive to all four wheels to manage, so it can make a much better fist of it - even Ess_Three's Mum would do better in her Fabia.
As a 4WD addict this weather has just vindicated my stance - four driven wheels is hugely superior in pretty much all conditions. The end.
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4wd is the daddy... never had any trouble in any snow in the R32. The GTi however is... well a 2WD liability :undecided:
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For me, it's about actually going somewhere, as opposed to being stuck in my drive, in a car park, or in some random snow drift. If I can move, then I can be careful. But if I can't even get the traction to start rolling, it's all a bit moot.
I don't care what special knowledge you have, if the car won't move at all without wheel-spinning no matter what you do to the controls, you ain't going anywhere.
Doesn't happen with the winter tyres.
Rolfe.
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4wd is the daddy... never had any trouble in any snow in the R32. The GTi however is... well a 2WD liability :undecided:
Until you brake...
The worst experience I've ever had in bad weather was in my S3...no traction issues...but 4 sledges under the brakes when you try to lose speed.
Summer tyres don't find as much traction for either accelerating or braking. Simples.
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Probably, yes - no ESP to interfere with the two driven wheels, skinnier tyres, less power, owners with more common sense. The only vehicle I've driving with effective ESP in snow is my Passat, because it has drive to all four wheels to manage, so it can make a much better fist of it - even Ess_Three's Mum would do better in her Fabia.
If VW didn't follow the fashion of fitting big wide wheels and tyres to all modely, things would be somewhat easier in winter.
The Mk3 GTIcame on 195s to start with...
The Mk2 185s...
Polos now come on 195/55/15s...with light engines giving low nose weights, and overly wide tyres, it's got crap winter progress written all over it.
Mothers old Polo 1.4TDI on 155 tyres went everywhere in winter...the 1.2T Fabia on 195s goes nowhere without winter tyres.
Personally, I don't find ESP/TCS/XDS a problem...it's simply the width and compound of the tyres.
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The people round here who have fitted the things are all raving about them, irrespective of the make or model of their car. So what's going on?
You don't spend hundreds or thousands of pounds/Euros on fandango tyres and then NOT tell everyone how great they are, do you?
I would if they were crap. I'd say so. Loudly and complainingly.
They've actually surpassed my wildest dreams. I've got a car that will take me places and get me home again in the snow, which I sure as hell didn't have last winter.
And again, I don't think £120 a tyre, for two tyres, was that much to spend. I needed new tyres anyway, and putting a couple of summers on in November would have been insanity. OK, I'll need a new pair of summers in March or April, but heck, you can only wear out one set of tyres at a time. The extension in tyre life for the summers through not using them for four or five months in the year has to be factored in too.
What's not to like?
Your driving by the sounds of it. :grin:
Srsly, come up here and see if you can do any better.
So I'll ask again. Are the earlier GTi models better in the snow than the MkVI? Why is it only the MKVI owners who are reporting such a phenomenal improvement?
Probably, yes - no ESP to interfere with the two driven wheels, skinnier tyres, less power, owners with more common sense. The only vehicle I've driving with effective ESP in snow is my Passat, because it has drive to all four wheels to manage, so it can make a much better fist of it - even Ess_Three's Mum would do better in her Fabia.
As a 4WD addict this weather has just vindicated my stance - four driven wheels is hugely superior in pretty much all conditions. The end.
That probably makes a lot of sense. But looking at what's going on with my neighbours, several of whom have SUVs, I'm getting on better with just two winter tyres on the FWD Golf than they are with summer tyres on the SUVs.
And being as I'm stuck with the MkVI (OK I love it to bits), I'm stuck with FWD and the ESP and the power and the wide tyres. Just two winter tyres simply eliminated all the problems caused by the modern bells and whistles.
Over in the MkVI section, one owner in Yorkshire with a very exposed journey to work had actually decided to sell the GTi and buy a Freelander because he really really couldn't afford to be stuck. It's virtually certain that a set of winter tyres will allow him to keep his pride and joy, and still make it to work in the winter.
Rolfe.
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has insurance been mentioned in this thread at all? (i really cba to read it)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11969958 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11969958)
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From the article.
The Association of British Insurers (ABI) says that is a mistake and premiums should not be higher.
The mistake is being blamed on insurance company call centres, where not all staff may be aware of the safety implications.
I didn't even tell my insurer (the RAC). I needed a couple of new tyres anyway. What should it matter what make I chose, if they're legal?
Rolfe.
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From the article.
The Association of British Insurers (ABI) says that is a mistake and premiums should not be higher.
The mistake is being blamed on insurance company call centres, where not all staff may be aware of the safety implications.
I didn't even tell my insurer (the RAC). I needed a couple of new tyres anyway. What should it matter what make I chose, if they're legal?
Rolfe.
well lets hope all the mk5.5 boys have declared it on their insurance and not being charged an extra 20% on their insurance as well as the £1500 it cost them for the tyres and new alloys :lipsrsealed:
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Cost me £240, as I said.
What would it have cost me if I'd fitted two new summer tyres (in November), since my existing tyres were that close to illegal?
Not that much less.
It's a no-brainer.
Rolfe.
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More scaremongering...
Changing tyres does not affect your insurance.
Changing wheels, may do. So tell them.
It's nice to see those who don't get snow, or don't run a £30k car in the snow have the most to say about not needing winter tyres.
Funny that those who have tried them, know.
£1500 on new wheels and tyres is very little over 3-4 winters, on a car that cost over £30,000.
But if you run a £500 Mk3 then I suppose it's madness.
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More scaremongering...
Changing tyres does not affect your insurance.
Changing wheels, may do. So tell them.
It's nice to see those who don't get snow, or don't run a £30k car in the snow have the most to say about not needing winter tyres.
Funny that those who have tried them, know.
£1500 on new wheels and tyres is very little over 3-4 winters, on a car that cost over £30,000.
But if you run a £500 Mk3 then I suppose it's madness.
Thank you Glen. We think alike. :smiley:
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INSURANCE read this
http://www.smmt.co.uk/articles/article.cfm?articleid=22819
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Cost me £240, as I said.
What would it have cost me if I'd fitted two new summer tyres (in November), since my existing tyres were that close to illegal?
Not that much less.
It's a no-brainer.
Rolfe.
did you only fit two winter tyres?
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Changing tyres does not affect your insurance.
Changing wheels, may do. So tell them.
Well, exactly. I've got the standard 17" Monza's, not the 18" Shadows. And the more I hear about these Shadows, the happier I am about that. Life's too short to spend it worrying about kerbing an alloy.
The 17" Monzas took the winter tyres just fine, I don't care if I kerb them quite honestly, and they don't get white worm.
Gotta pay for new rubber sometimes. Running a couple of winters spares the summers. Really, all you're having to budget for is having the tyres changed more often than you would in the normal course of events. And having tyres checked and balanced twice a year is no bad thing.
Rolfe.
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ABI still recommend that you check with the head office of your insurer
http://www.abi.org.uk/Bulletins/Media_Outlook/2010/12/ABI_Media_Outlook__12_December_2010.aspx (http://www.abi.org.uk/Bulletins/Media_Outlook/2010/12/ABI_Media_Outlook__12_December_2010.aspx)
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Cost me £240, as I said.
What would it have cost me if I'd fitted two new summer tyres (in November), since my existing tyres were that close to illegal?
Not that much less.
It's a no-brainer.
Rolfe.
did you only fit two winter tyres?
Yeah. Wasn't my idea. In October I asked my garage to fit the car with winter tyres when it had its service, which was due in November. The owner demurred a bit and said, well maybe I can source you a couple and fit them later. I dug my heels in and insisted he do it at the November service, which was just as well because the big snow dump came five days later.
It was the garage owner's idea only to do the front pair. I was in two minds about it, because obviously you have to be careful cornering and I don't imagine the stopping distance will be as good as with four, but frankly I'm struggling to see the downside in practice. The main object was to prevent the car getting stuck and wheel-spinning, and that has been completely achieved. The sort of snow it will now drive over is astonishing.
Rolfe.
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Cost me £240, as I said.
What would it have cost me if I'd fitted two new summer tyres (in November), since my existing tyres were that close to illegal?
Not that much less.
It's a no-brainer.
Rolfe.
did you only fit two winter tyres?
Yeah. Wasn't my idea. In October I asked my garage to fit the car with winter tyres when it had its service, which was due in November. The owner demurred a bit and said, well maybe I can source you a couple and fit them later. I dug my heels in and insisted he do it at the November service, which was just as well because the big snow dump came five days later.
It was the garage owner's idea only to do the front pair. I was in two minds about it, because obviously you have to be careful cornering and I don't imagine the stopping distance will be as good as with four, but frankly I'm struggling to see the downside in practice. The main object was to prevent the car getting stuck and wheel-spinning, and that has been completely achieved. The sort of snow it will now drive over is astonishing.
Rolfe.
you not worried about the back end flipping out on you while cornering/braking? I would be.
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Here we go again. :grin:
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Here we go again. :grin:
Oh no...a world of YouTube links awaits.
Don't go there.
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Let's not. So far, nothing contentious has been said. I'm quite certain four winter tyres are better than two, and I entirely accept that cornering has to be done as if you were running summers, and stopping distance won't be as good as with four winters.
However, as several people have reported, running only two winters on the drive wheels is common practice in actuality, and as long as you drive within the limits of the set-up you'll be fine. Certainly a lot more fine than trying to make it on four summers.
Rolfe.
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For me, it's about actually going somewhere, as opposed to being stuck in my drive, in a car park, or in some random snow drift. If I can move, then I can be careful. But if I can't even get the traction to start rolling, it's all a bit moot.
I don't care what special knowledge you have, if the car won't move at all without wheel-spinning no matter what you do to the controls, you ain't going anywhere.
Doesn't happen with the winter tyres.
Rolfe.
Sorry, but i had a mk3 golf for about 3 years on the road and have recently moved over to an audi a4 tdi estate.. I am based in north yorkshire, where we have had snow for the last 3 yrs, funny old thing we have had 2-3 foot and untreated roads. I have had toyo proxies on the golf and never had a problem moving, in fact I have towed people out of spaces who have had beemers and much newer cars..
My house in swansea is at the base of a valley, last year when we had the big snowfall I was driving peoples cars up the hill, simply because a load of people couldn't drive in snow..
As for the drive showing in the pic, coming out of a garage up there I would put my right nipple that the golf and probably the audi with no issues at all....
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How about this to stir the pot! :evil:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Video-Can-you-fit-just-2-winter-tyres.htm
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Sorry, but i had a mk3 golf for about 3 years on the road and have recently moved over to an audi a4 tdi estate.. I am based in north yorkshire, where we have had snow for the last 3 yrs, funny old thing we have had 2-3 foot and untreated roads. I have had toyo proxies on the golf and never had a problem moving, in fact I have towed people out of spaces who have had beemers and much newer cars..
I'll say it again...for those who missed it:
It's not just the tyres, but the width of them, the torque delivery of the engine and the tyre compound.
I ran a Mk3 8v for years - on 195 tyres...no issues in winter, in Aberdeenshire where we actually get bad winters.
Went to a Mk3 16v Anni on 215 wide tyres...hopeless.
Swapped to 195 Toyo winter tryes - normal service resumed.
Fabia vRS on 205 wide summer tyres...not bad in winter...went to 205 wide winter tyres and i could go places SUVs couldn't...being diesel helps...just let the clutch out at idle and it'll chug away.
Mk6 petrol, turbo, 225 wide summer tyres - hopeless.
Better to spend £2000 on winter wheels and tyres and not worry about it.
My driving style hasn't changed..nor has my location.
So tell me again how it's down to my driving, and nothing to do with the car?
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For me, it's about actually going somewhere, as opposed to being stuck in my drive, in a car park, or in some random snow drift. If I can move, then I can be careful. But if I can't even get the traction to start rolling, it's all a bit moot.
I don't care what special knowledge you have, if the car won't move at all without wheel-spinning no matter what you do to the controls, you ain't going anywhere.
Doesn't happen with the winter tyres.
Rolfe.
Sorry, but i had a mk3 golf for about 3 years on the road and have recently moved over to an audi a4 tdi estate.. I am based in north yorkshire, where we have had snow for the last 3 yrs, funny old thing we have had 2-3 foot and untreated roads. I have had toyo proxies on the golf and never had a problem moving, in fact I have towed people out of spaces who have had beemers and much newer cars..
My house in swansea is at the base of a valley, last year when we had the big snowfall I was driving peoples cars up the hill, simply because a load of people couldn't drive in snow..
As for the drive showing in the pic, coming out of a garage up there I would put my right nipple that the golf and probably the audi with no issues at all....
So, not actually driven the MkVI then.
That drive, as shown, is a piece of cake. You could drive it on slicks, cleared like that. (The point was to show the depth of the snow.)
It's the part that isn't in the picture you have to worry about.
Rolfe.
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Sorry, but i had a mk3 golf for about 3 years on the road and have recently moved over to an audi a4 tdi estate.. I am based in north yorkshire, where we have had snow for the last 3 yrs, funny old thing we have had 2-3 foot and untreated roads. I have had toyo proxies on the golf and never had a problem moving, in fact I have towed people out of spaces who have had beemers and much newer cars..
I'll say it again...for those who missed it:
It's not just the tyres, but the width of them, the torque delivery of the engine and the tyre compound.
I ran a Mk3 8v for years - on 195 tyres...no issues in winter, in Aberdeenshire where we actually get bad winters.
Went to a Mk3 16v Anni on 215 wide tyres...hopeless.
Swapped to 195 Toyo winter tryes - normal service resumed.
Fabia vRS on 205 wide summer tyres...not bad in winter...went to 205 wide winter tyres and i could go places SUVs couldn't...being diesel helps...just let the clutch out at idle and it'll chug away.
Mk6 petrol, turbo, 225 wide summer tyres - hopeless.
Better to spend £2000 on winter wheels and tyres and not worry about it.
My driving style hasn't changed..nor has my location.
So tell me again how it's down to my driving, and nothing to do with the car?
Exactly. Its like comparing apples and oranges.
If i compare cars out my drive on the track to the main road so far this winter mainly on the same days with summer tyres (all driven by me).
SEAT leon TDI(130PS) with 205tyres is okish in the snow. The mk6 GTI210PS with 225tyres is really v.crap. The mk1 GTI(112PS) is great with 185's on. The SEAT ibiza 1.4(80PS)with 195 on is not v.good. Daihatsu YRV(55PS) 165tyres Fantastic. Each car is v.different.
I do agree alot of people don't know how to drive in snow, but alot of the older people do, as they use to drive in it in the 80s and 90s when it was worse than it has been in recent years.
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I ran my Dad's car into the hedge on a snow-packed road in the early 1970s. Bust the radiator.
Been a bit careful ever since! :grin:
Rolfe.
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Got some winter tyres fitted today. Brand new 195/45/15. Replacing the 205/50/15's. Ride is far more firm but feels more comfortable somehow.
They are Nankang Ultrasport II. Ditchfinders is all I've heard about Nankangs but these "M+S" tyres are fantasitc! SO MUCH more grip over the Toyo-T1R in the freezing cold. Awesome grip so far and for the price for some snow tyres, sweet. :cool:
Deffo see the advantage.
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Got some winter tyres fitted today. Brand new 195/45/15. Replacing the 205/50/15's. Ride is far more firm but feels more comfortable somehow.
They are Nankang Ultrasport II. Ditchfinders is all I've heard about Nankangs but these "M+S" tyres are fantasitc! SO MUCH more grip over the Toyo-T1R in the freezing cold. Awesome grip so far and for the price for some snow tyres, sweet. :cool:
Deffo see the advantage.
im thinking about taking mine off soon. no sign on snow, only had to defrost my car once this "winter"
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Got some winter tyres fitted today. Brand new 195/45/15. Replacing the 205/50/15's. Ride is far more firm but feels more comfortable somehow.
They are Nankang Ultrasport II. Ditchfinders is all I've heard about Nankangs but these "M+S" tyres are fantasitc! SO MUCH more grip over the Toyo-T1R in the freezing cold. Awesome grip so far and for the price for some snow tyres, sweet. :cool:
Deffo see the advantage.
im thinking about taking mine off soon. no sign on snow, only had to defrost my car once this "winter"
They grip better in the cold.
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Cold? What cold? :huh: it's been spring since the end of Autumn with a cool draft now and then :grin:
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Cold? What cold? :huh: it's been spring since the end of Autumn with a cool draft now and then :grin:
Agreed. Last night on my way out from work was the second time this winter that I've had to scrape a thin layer of frost off the windscreen. It's been between 7-12 degrees here in the day since November sort of time. The way this is going summer should be epicly hot!
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Got some winter tyres fitted today. Brand new 195/45/15. Replacing the 205/50/15's. Ride is far more firm but feels more comfortable somehow.
They are Nankang Ultrasport II. Ditchfinders is all I've heard about Nankangs but these "M+S" tyres are fantasitc! SO MUCH more grip over the Toyo-T1R in the freezing cold. Awesome grip so far and for the price for some snow tyres, sweet. :cool:
Deffo see the advantage.
only problem with the size of tyre is that they are 5% smaller than your 205's and will run 921 rpm against 874 rpm ... revs per mile ...use more fuel and the speedo will be out too :rolleyes:
the tyre seller should have advised you of this :undecided:
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Got some winter tyres fitted today. Brand new 195/45/15. Replacing the 205/50/15's. Ride is far more firm but feels more comfortable somehow.
They are Nankang Ultrasport II. Ditchfinders is all I've heard about Nankangs but these "M+S" tyres are fantasitc! SO MUCH more grip over the Toyo-T1R in the freezing cold. Awesome grip so far and for the price for some snow tyres, sweet. :cool:
Deffo see the advantage.
only problem with the size of tyre is that they are 5% smaller than your 205's and will run 921 rpm against 874 rpm ... revs per mile ...use more fuel and the speedo will be out too :rolleyes:
the tyre seller should have advised you of this :undecided:
So far, I've found the car more lively and using less fuel on the rural roads, less effort to pull away. :wink:
Also, speedo is actually more accurate. :smiley: Speedo now says 29 at 30.
Was a mate in another garage. They're fine. :)
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my opinions on winter tyers ect
winter tyers are highly overated IMO Good quality normal tyers are pritty bloody good, no point getting winter tyers the same size as they'll be to fat.
cold wet weather demands narrow tyers they cut through standing water better ( you meet much more of that than snow ) and they cut into snow better.
i've never botherd with superfandango snow tyers, if the conditions are bad enough to make it worth swaping tyers over wrap them in chain.
i went down from a 205/55/16 to 165/75/r15 el cheepos and fitted 9mm chains. did over 1000 miles on them, chains ate the tyers a bit hence useiig cheep ones but grip was awsome comaperd to anything but studed tyers
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my opinions on winter tyers ect
And I'll counter with a few points:
winter tyers are highly overated IMO Good quality normal tyers are pritty bloody good, no point getting winter tyers the same size as they'll be to fat.
Really?
so the whole of the motoring world are incorrect in seeing the benefits?
Normal tyres are crap under 8 degrees C. I've had winter tyres on my last 3 cars...and without them, you can't pull out of the driveway.
Oh, and my winter tyres are the same width as my 'normal' or summer tyres...I've tried 195, 205 and 225 wide.
Currenty run 225/40/18s on the Golf and I can go where people in X5s etc can't.
Too wide you say?
It appears not...
cold wet weather demands narrow tyers they cut through standing water better ( you meet much more of that than snow ) and they cut into snow better.
Wrong.
Cold weather demands a compound and tread pattern designed to cope with low temperatures.
My winter tyres are as good in warm standing water as my summers, vastly superior in cold standing water...and in a different league in slush and snow.
Cutting into the snow/slush is about the tread pattern biting into the snow then shedding the compacted snow as it spins....explain again why a narrow tyre does this better than a wider one?
i've never botherd with superfandango snow tyers, if the conditions are bad enough to make it worth swaping tyers over wrap them in chain.
I can't get chains onto my Mk6 GTI..and arsed with stopping every 1/2 mile to take them off/put them on again...when I can stick winter tyres on (properly speed rated) and drive through 8" of snow one minute, then do 155 MPH on the Autobahn the next without the need to get out of the car.
So winter tyres...let me drive anywhere I want to go in pretty much any weather, where not fitting them means I can't get out of the driveway.
I didn't have any winter tyres for the winter of 2005/2006...and I couldn't get out of the driveway.
If you live where the weather is bad enough to justify them...you will NEVER go back after using them.
The benefits are huge.
Underrated, in fact...
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I think the point is wide winter tyres = skinny normal tyres in winter conditions, if you can't get a wheel for, say a 165 tyre on your mk6 then you will indeed need a winter tyre
When I had a 206 last winter I went to work every day it snowed (guilfdford to goodwood a283) no dramas whatsoever and there are some steep hills on that route. That had skinny cheapo tyres on it that probably cost 25 quid each. Havent had a chance to snow drive in the mk4 but i guess that would be useless because the tyres are 205 and eagle f1's
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isn't it to do with surface area and spreading the weight of the car over this area?
Wider tyres spread the weight of the car over a larger area and therefore increases the chances of the car "floating" over the snow rather than cutting through it to the road surface.
If the tyres are narrow the weight of the car is spread over a smaller surface area and thus the tyres have a better chance of cutting through the snow.
I didn't to GCSE physics so I could be talking out of my bum. If someone could throw up some kind of official sounding theory that would be great.
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Why do the snow rallycross cars have really skinny tyres? You would think they would be 10" wide with what your saying.
I know they have spikes too, so maybe the are designed to cut through to go fast.
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isn't it to do with surface area and spreading the weight of the car over this area?
Wider tyres spread the weight of the car over a larger area and therefore increases the chances of the car "floating" over the snow rather than cutting through it to the road surface.
If the tyres are narrow the weight of the car is spread over a smaller surface area and thus the tyres have a better chance of cutting through the snow.
I didn't to GCSE physics so I could be talking out of my bum. If someone could throw up some kind of official sounding theory that would be great.
To some degree, yes...you are correct.
However, it's more about compound and tread pattern.
Would a 225 wide tyre be worse on snow than a 165 wide tyre? Probably...given the tread pattern and compound were the same.
Would a 225 wide winter tyre be worse on snow than a 165 wide slick tyre? Unlikely.
If you want to fit winter tyres - or skinny tyres - just for in the snow...than fine...but you could also fit chains.
however, most of us want the ability to drive their cars normally when it's not snowy...and I'd like to see the insurance company pay up if I binned my Mk6 GTI on 165 wide tyres.
Fitting the standard sixed tyre but in a winter compound does not affect the insurance, means I can use it in the snow, and still go the top speed in Europe with correctly speed rated tyres.
Comparing narrower tyres with wider tyres...there will be a difference, if you go to extremes.
But my father uses 205/50/16 winter tyres on 6.5" wide wheels his Mk5 GT170 TDI and I use 225/40/18 winter tyres on 8.0" wide wheels...and there is NO obvious difference in the cars abilities....
Make of that what you will.
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Why do the snow rallycross cars have really skinny tyres? You would think they would be 10" wide with what your saying.
I know they have spikes too, so maybe the are designed to cut through to go fast.
Rallycross cars use studded /spiked or heavy blocked tyres and are driven with all 4 wheels spinning to some degree, as with WRC cars.
Road cars just need the ability to find more traction for pulling away and better braking.
Would you be faster A to B on a set of rallycross skinny studded tyres? Yup...but who with half a brain drives their road car in that manner on the public road in winter? :grin:
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Why do the snow rallycross cars have really skinny tyres? You would think they would be 10" wide with what your saying.
I know they have spikes too, so maybe the are designed to cut through to go fast.
Rallycross cars use studded /spiked or heavy blocked tyres and are driven with all 4 wheels spinning to some degree, as with WRC cars.
Road cars just need the ability to find more traction for pulling away and better braking.
Would you be faster A to B on a set of rallycross skinny studded tyres? Yup...but who with half a brain drives their road car in that manner on the public road in winter? :grin:
Not me :lipsrsealed: :grin:
I think I'm going to get some 225 winters for the BMW :wink:
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I think I'm going to get some 225 winters for the BMW :wink:
I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
Worth every penny.
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I think I'm going to get some 225 winters for the BMW :wink:
I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
Worth every penny.
Thanks! I will get some of those then :smiley:
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I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
I have them and was disappointed. I had skidding around corners I never did in summer tyres. I had wheelspin despite moderate throttle and low temps ~5-6*C. But today was -2.5*C and there was no wheelspin. There was no skid. Pure grip. Didn't push it because I want to get to and from work safely but definitely impressed more today than I have been since I bought them.
What pressures are you running? Standard? Vreds website say 46-51psi!!!
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I'm using Vredestein Wintrac Xtremes, 225/40/18, XL load rated and W speed rated...and they are epic.
I have them and was disappointed. I had skidding around corners I never did in summer tyres. I had wheelspin despite moderate throttle and low temps ~5-6*C. But today was -2.5*C and there was no wheelspin. There was no skid. Pure grip. Didn't push it because I want to get to and from work safely but definitely impressed more today than I have been since I bought them.
What pressures are you running? Standard? Vreds website say 46-51psi!!!
I run them when the temps are consistantly below 6ish because my Goodyear F1s are sooooo bad in the cold.
I run standard pressures front and rear, and never have a problem with them.
Certainly they really only shine when the temperature is below 0 C.
At below 0 C I can't get out of the driveway with the summer tyres on...but last winter at -10 C I could drive around on the Vredesteins like I could at 10 C with the Goodyears on.