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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: branchespark on 26 December 2010, 09:08
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OK, three days on (and Christmas in full swing), the reality of a factory ordered GTD is filling me with a mixture of joy and anxiety in equal amounts!
Being very particular, a factory order seemed the only option. However, if I took carbon grey, leather and DSG to be a bare minimum spec, then it looks like I could add the RNS510 and bluetooth to a nearly new model, with potential savings all round. Th more spec, the merrier. And with a current expectation of 20 weeks from factory, I must be able to source a nearly new in that time.
Before you all say I'm stuck with the order, I only placed it with the dealer at 6:15pm on Thursdy, so I should be able to intercept them on Wednesday before they order with VW. That's if I want to, that is!
Dilemma. Oh, what a dilemma!
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Just my personal opinion but I would buy nearly new.
A) Because a four month waiting list for a golf is just crazy
B) Because you can save yourself some money on nearly new model which can go towards mods if the spec isn't quite right
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Nah go brand new then you get exactly what you want. I would if I had the money
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the wait is agony... but if you can then its usually worth it. This forum will definately help you along in your wait. Personally I would go nearly new if there is a good spec one out there and gives you a good saving.
You will never get that its brand new and im the first driver thing.. but then how much is that worth to you?? I would use the money saved to get the car to a proper detailer and make it feel like its brand spanking new.. a win win!! :cool:
Getting a nearly new also means that any minor niggles will probably have been corrected under warranty by the previous owner also :wink:
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I did the same, just found the car with highest spec I could find.
I have retro fitted the nav cruise and Bluetooth but I still want xenons!!!
There's a nice one for sale in the for sale section btw.
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You can change any factory order model spec until its locked for production. This normally only locked within a month or so of its build date. So you have plenty of time to change options on an order.
Its the wait thats the killer but i would look on it as do you really want to be driving a newish car in snow for the next 3-4 months or wait and get a new one when the better weather starts, i know what i would do.
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My dealer told me that I could make no changes whatsoever. I also asked about the situation where VW change the spec before my build and what if I then want to make a change - same answer.
The thought of a brand new car is awesome, but the reality of having £7,000 "spare" with a nearly new is also to much to sniff at. (May be even more of a saving to be had?!) Would the lack of the spec I want be too much to cope with a year down the line? Trying to add the missing options will be never ending. I didn't spec my current car, as it was an import at the time when that was fashionable, and I don't think there was much you could add then - it has leather, cruise and sunroof. Now there are just so many options that you work yourself up to what you want.
Let's be honest, anything over the basic model is pure greed and desire, but a car, wine and women is about all a man can spend his money on!
Before I go and really upset the dealer and the lovely Gemma who sold me the car, what is the legal position on the deposits? Do I have rights / cooling off period? There is nothing on my paperwork that I can find.
Sam
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I don't think the dealer would be bothered whether you take it or not.
I would guess they are just happy to be able to order a car that they know they can sell as soon as it arrives.
The impression I get, is that dealerships can't just order shed loads of vehicles for stock, they need names and "committment" from customers. GTD's and GTi are subject to quota allocation.
I actually discussed cancellation with my dealer because the lead time is so long, and circumstances etc may change, and they said so long as they could have a "fair reason", then the new car would just go into stock and probably be sold very quickly. So if I saw something more attractive in the meantime I could just go for it.
Contract I believe states if delivery not taken after 21 days, contract is void, but they may take a portion of deposit to cover admin.
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My dealer told me that I could make no changes whatsoever.
I have changed my order twice already. Added Xenons, then added RCD510 with camera. My dealer told me that changes could be made until I get a build date.
I have found that being particular is ok if you can afford it. My order is now over £30K retail :shocked: Though as it is being financed so the cost of all those extras is spread over several years.
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branchespark, Unless things have changed in the past 7 months your dealer is telling fibs as thats not what VW customer service told me and i changed my order to add a couple of extras a week before it was locked for production. That was 3 months after i placed the order and signed the contract.
I think theres 7-14 days cooling off period were you can cancel the contract, But each dealer group is slightly different because they work as seperate companys.
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Surely people arrive at a spec they will accept nothing less than and go from there.
Personally, I'd buy new if I could, because I usually spec high amounts of, or odd options, I'm unlikely to find on a used car, and also because I actually don't mind the wait to be the first owner.
I waited 8 months for my GTI.
I didn't spec RNS510 or Bluetooth as they are easily retro-fitted to the GTi...but on other models in the line up, I'd probably spec them from the factory as I couldn't be arsed ripping a new car apart to fit them...and also to get the warranty cover on certain options.
Usually, I'd keep a car 3-4 years, so spending £6000-7000 more on a new car or one with lots of factory options is such a small price to pay for having what I want every day, that i'm happy to pay it.
I know I'd not be happy with ANY car if it wasn't the 'perfect' spec...I certainly wouldn't/couldn't keep a car 3 years plus wishing I had this or that option or colour.
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As Ess_Three says, it is important you specify carefully from the factory and consider even more carefully what you can retro-fit easily and cost effectively. This forum is full of good ideas and information.
An example of my mistake was not specifying Bi-Xenons from the factory. It is a PITA to retro-fit.
I personally would order a new car, as over a three to four year period the difference in cost comes to nothing. And you get the car you really want. The waiting can also turn you into a more patient human being, within reason. (Snoops' car took as long as a pregnancy and he was not pleased. But this was the worst case ever that I know of).
All the best.
PS: You don't find virgins too often, so get a new car!
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The guys above have a good point, if your going to keep the car long term you should ensure you get exactly what you want.
My only regret is not having xenons but I couldn't wait for a new build hence I got "the best I could find"
The financial side is down to you :-)
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My dealer told me that I could make no changes whatsoever. I also asked about the situation where VW change the spec before my build and what if I then want to make a change - same answer.
Your dealer is at it. Phone VW head office in Milton Keynes, they'll tell you for sure.
Once it is locked in the system you can't alter the spec but that doesn't happen for several weeks.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175220.msg1645715#msg1645715
As for getting your deposit back, I think it would really be up to the individual dealer rather than a legal requirement. At the end of the day the deposit you paid is for a specific, individually made car that the garage has now ordered for you (whether they have actually done this or not). I think legally they would be be able to keep it as you entered into a contract / agreement with them for the purchase of a brand new car. The garage could argue you were fully aware it would take at least 20 weeks before you got the new car. You approached them and were fully aware of the deal
Cooling off periods generally only apply to internet deals, telephone deals and deals done at your front door. Which is designed to protect the buyer from buying blind via the net or pressurised at the front door.
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As others have said consider the options carefully.
I think most of us with time wished we had added something that we did not.
Mine was ACC suspension. Everything else i don't miss.
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As others have said consider the options carfully.
I think most of us with time wished we had added something that we did not.
Mine was ACC suspension. Everything else i don't miss.
If it helps I have my ACC in "normal" mode 98% of the time :wink:
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Thanks all! Lots of food for thought. Lack of xenons, leather, ACC and DSG would kill me. As you say, if you're driving it every day (and see it more than the wife), a few grand over nine years (expected life) is nothing in the grand scheme.
Btw, doesn't the ACC in Normal mean it adjusts automatically, not that it is of no use?
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Branchespark - my 2 pennies worth is that you should def go nearly new. I bought my Mar '10 GTD DSG with full leather 2 weeks ago for £21k. Added (thanks to mortygt from this site) Bluetooth and Nav for less than a grand, so now have a car which would have retailed for £30k which cost me less than £22k.
The only extra I would have liked would have been Xenons, but for the money I saved I am more than happy to live without.
Admittedly I did spend best part 2 months looking and waiting for right colour (Carbon Grey) and spec to turn up - but have to confess better than waiting >6 months for factory order. Also think that now car has been around nearly 18 months more used ones will start to appear and will be easier to assess where they land in terms of residuals.
Mine had been p/x'd against new Yeti (in Lancs) by someone fed up or panicking about snow. But makes me shudder to think how much he/she must have lost in the the 8 months they owned the car .
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Thanks all! Lots of food for thought. Lack of xenons, leather, ACC and DSG would kill me. As you say, if you're driving it every day (and see it more than the wife), a few grand over nine years (expected life) is nothing in the grand scheme.
Btw, doesn't the ACC in Normal mean it adjusts automatically, not that it is of no use?
Interesting, I presumed that "normal" meant standard ie the same as a non acc car???
I'll start a new thread shall I before we hijack this one :grin:
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GTD for sale http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175700.0
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If I manage to talk to the dealer sweetly, you never know, but they may let me keep my "slot" for a month or two to see if I can find a suitable nearly new car?!
I need to check with VW directly on the situation with build slots and if the date is just too far away. Dealer was unable to give me even an accurate estimate.
Sometimes it really helps to have small print - lack of it is more complicated!!
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Here's a nearly new, but not enough of a saving! Would just be to get my hands on one now!! Shame the site has no info on the spec, as this looks like leather, but no idea on extras.
http://www.vcars.co.uk/used-cars/cardetails.php?t=autolocate&u=277964
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Looks like it has 18" wheels, bluetooth, nav and dynaudio too
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Thanks all for comments.
Assuming that I can change the order or go for a nearly new, what's the view on the DSG mated with the GTD? I test drove a 140PS with DSG and I liked it, but it was neither a long test drive nor a true match to the manual GTD.
[I know there are DSG threads about, so this is just for those who have read this far!]
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I love the DSG box on any car.
I'd have a GT TDI with the DSG box no problem but at only 3k extra I wanted the extra 30 BHP, body styling, wheels, suspension, black head lining, steering wheel, better seats and last but not least the gtd/i only special tractor grey paint etc :-)
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The GTD is a fantastic package with DSG and IMO is a must :smug: