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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Jimmymature on 21 December 2010, 19:24
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Hi all, I've read a few reviews from mags and online mags that have tested standard BHP of stock MK6 GTI's and they have all reported higher than the 210 BHP specified by VW. One tested on their Dyno 249BHP!
I'd be interested in the results on this forum of those who have stuck their cars on the dyno.
Cheers,
Jim
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sounds like dyno's telling porkies!
i have had mine on Dyno Dynamics (which are know to be the best when set up correctly) and mine came in at 207bhp with remap removed. came in at bang on 265 with revo.
there is not a std gti out there with 250bhp :wink: :nerd:
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Not had mine done but fuel type and temperature can play a part in the results.
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Agreed on the fuel but not to this extent, maybe 2 or 3%
When you put a vehicle on a dyno you have to input various factors such as car gear ratio, temp, barometric pressure and more all of which, if not inputted correctly can have a massive effect on the shown BHP.
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sounds like dyno's telling porkies!
i have had mine on Dyno Dynamics (which are know to be the best when set up correctly) and mine came in at 207bhp with remap removed. came in at bang on 265 with revo.
there is not a std gti out there with 250bhp :wink: :nerd:
"Interestingly, in all the dyno testing that Superchips has carried out on the standard Mk 6 GTI, they’ve found the actual figures to be substantially higher than the factory claims. This particular car clocked no less than 249 bhp at 6651 rpm and 307 Nm at 5167 rpm. For a car which is rated at 210 PS (207 bhp) and 280 Nm, according to the official factory figures, that’s already pretty healthy." Quote WWW.VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG.CO.UK
"the Golf, over 10 per cent up on where it should be (229bhp rather than 207), is almost halfway to having the power promised for the forthcoming R version." Quote Evo Magazine...
Dont be too quick to dimiss the question......
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there was a VERY VERY LONG
discussion argument about this on the mk5 board a while ago. It resulted in a big meet at a well know rolling road. It was very clearly proved that a std GTI (mk5) will not be anything more than 2% +/- the VW figures.
If anyone believes that their GTI is putting out anythign more than 215bhp std then they are wrong and the RR is more than likely to be wrong also.
I have seen it a number of times on the bottom of graphs that show humidity to be at 100% etc etc
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I'm not trying to get into an argument here but two well established motoring magazines have performed tests and their comments are in my post for all to see.
At some point people have to accept the pro's views. You could use your own argument to suggest that figures used for your BHP test could be wrong........
Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating what I have seen in some well respected motoring mags.....
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I'm not trying to get into an argument here but two well established motoring magazines have performed tests and their comments are in my post for all to see.
At some point people have to accept the pro's views. You could use your own argument to suggest that figures used for your BHP test could be wrong........
Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating what I have seen in some well respected motoring mags.....
no argument here.. im right :grin: :grin: :grin:
only kidding of course. I would chose to believe the manufacturers over random journo's and what ever RR's they use to produce "SHOCK LOOK AT ME" results. As i said this went on for a while on the mk5 board where someone was sure their ed30 was putting out 250bhp as seen on numerous dynos. One go on a properly set up DDRR... and low and behold 230bhp :laugh:
bhp is usually a lottery anyway :wink:
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Nobody's argueing mate just putting points across, to help with this point I suggest the following:
As a sign of my own goodwill and to also "put my money where my mouth is" I invite you and any other members to feel free to come to my premises in Altrincham by Manchester Airport were I just happen to have a dyno dynamics rolling road to test your cars, nil gratis :-)
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I'd always take RR results with a pinch of salt :wink:
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At some point people have to accept the pro's views. Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating...
What classes them as pros, what is there background, education etc....
WWW.VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG.CO.UK i have correct more than once on technical issues. They are Journos, they are qualified as writers, nothing more.
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sounds like dyno's telling porkies!
i have had mine on Dyno Dynamics (which are know to be the best when set up correctly) and mine came in at 207bhp with remap removed. came in at bang on 265 with revo.
there is not a std gti out there with 250bhp :wink: :nerd:
"Interestingly, in all the dyno testing that Superchips has carried out on the standard Mk 6 GTI, they’ve found the actual figures to be substantially higher than the factory claims. This particular car clocked no less than 249 bhp at 6651 rpm and 307 Nm at 5167 rpm. For a car which is rated at 210 PS (207 bhp) and 280 Nm, according to the official factory figures, that’s already pretty healthy." Quote WWW.VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG.CO.UK
"the Golf, over 10 per cent up on where it should be (229bhp rather than 207), is almost halfway to having the power promised for the forthcoming R version." Quote Evo Magazine...
Dont be too quick to dimiss the question......
Hey that's the GTI I owned briefly, brings a tear to my eye:-) no way it felt like it had 250bhp but it did do more to the gallon than the one that's replaced it by about 5% I reckon. Must of had it's lumps well and truly worn off during the running in period by superchips.
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At some point people have to accept the pro's views. Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating...
What classes them as pros, what is there background, education etc....
WWW.VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG.CO.UK i have correct more than once on technical issues. They are Journos, they are qualified as writers, nothing more.
LMAO - Q"What classes them as pros"
A. They get paid for it!!
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Ok I'd like to join in on this discussion.
The first point is the 'pro' question of journalists. Journalists are pros however they are pros at writing magazines and perhaps not at serious and reliable vehicle performance documentation. At the end of the day the magazine only wants to sell as many copies as possible. Creating a reputation for reliability and accuracy is certainly a way to encourage readers to keep buying but so is a good juicy read. Stating that a car as well known as the GTI is developing a good bit more power is a good way to get in more readers.
Secondly,
Hi all, I've read a few reviews from mags and online mags that have tested standard BHP of stock MK6 GTI's and they have all reported higher than the 210 BHP specified by VW. One tested on their Dyno 249BHP!
I'd be interested in the results on this forum of those who have stuck their cars on the dyno.
Cheers,
Jim
I'm not trying to get into an argument here but two well established motoring magazines have performed tests and their comments are in my post for all to see.
At some point people have to accept the pro's views. You could use your own argument to suggest that figures used for your BHP test could be wrong........
Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating what I have seen in some well respected motoring mags.....
It does sound like you have your own mind made up about whether or not you want to believe the magazines.
That is all for now :smiley:
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At some point people have to accept the pro's views. Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating...
What classes them as pros, what is there background, education etc....
WWW.VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG.CO.UK i have correct more than once on technical issues. They are Journos, they are qualified as writers, nothing more.
With your exacting standards i would have expected better :wink: :grin:
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bhp willy waving of the highest order again. just like the Mk5 owners were
i remember a certain RR day at JKM - made some VERY interesting Teddy throwing when
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so much so . . . .
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:grin:
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You try telling a man with a Stage 1 re-map he hasn't got 275BHP.
There will be blood... :smug:
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At some point people have to accept the pro's views. Again i'm not looking for an argument just repeating...
What classes them as pros, what is there background, education etc....
WWW.VOLKSWAGENDRIVERMAG.CO.UK i have correct more than once on technical issues. They are Journos, they are qualified as writers, nothing more.
With your exacting standards i would have expected better :wink: :grin:
I never said I could write. I am dyslexic, so putting things down in words is a problem for me, always has been, always will be. Its why you may often see my posts edited as if i go back to them a few hours later i can spot things i could not see earlier. You may find quite a few people who are dyslexic are extremely good at mathematics and engineering disciplines though.
:tongue:
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Just playing,my english is pretty rubbish :wink:
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Anyone up for a rolling road day on the dyno dynamics rollers at my place to prove this once and for all?
All in the name of fun of course and all types invited :smiley:
I'll do it for free but a donation to help for heroes would be a nice idea at say between 10-20 quid per car?
Thoughts?
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I would have been up for it if I didn't live 3 1/2 hours away :cry:
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I would take you up on that just too see what my mk2 is running bhp wise. Pm us a postcode and I'll see how far away it actually is
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I started this link to save me hijacking this thread: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=175913.0
Thank you for the support :smiley:
Postcode is WA14 1TF :wink:
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Its only 2 hours away. I'd be up for that if I could get a few people to go down with me
Liam
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Get organising mate :smiley:
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I would have been up for it if I didn't live 3 1/2 hours away :cry:
Man up!
You are nearly 3 1/2 hours from me, and I'd be tempted to head down.
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I thought there was a lot of RR days going on down South so it was time for us up North to do some rolling :smiley: