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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: GolfTi on 20 December 2010, 20:54
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Anyone else with this problem?
Does anyone know of a way of keeping the windscreen clear of dry salt, I've used 4 litres of screenwash over the last few days. (400 miles mainly motorway/dual carriageway in the dark - this is when you need a really clear screen)
I've tried switching the blower away from the screen (A/C on), helps a little as the heat isn't on the screen but then starts misting up due to condensation from snowy shoes etc...
Is it maybe time for new wipers? (Only 14 months old, fine when its wet but the dry salt needs clearing every few minutes)??
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I cannot comment as I have not collected Wolfgang.
But, the Polo suffers from a completely smeared windscreen and the washers are not working.
Urgh.
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I had this problem a couple of weeks ago on my golf, replaced the wiper blades and much better now.
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As the majority of my driving is round town, I generally scrape the snow off the windscreen - and try and drive to work without using the wipers. Generally they smear dirt everywhere, so I just try and put up with the odd speckle of dirt I get on my travels.
I'm always scared that my jets are frozen and I end up with the wipers dry wiping the mess everywhere!!
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Thanks guys.
New wipers it is then.
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Thanks guys.
New wipers it is then.
Nah... just don't use them :laugh:
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Thanks guys.
New wipers it is then.
Nah... just don't use them :laugh:
Think I'd be an ex GTI owner by now :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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GolfTi:
Did you get my PM?
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GolfTi:
Did you get my PM?
Yes, thanks.
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GolfTi:
Did you get my PM?
Yes, thanks.
Glad you did, Ami. :wink:
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You should try cleaning the wiper blades first. Ever since I've been driving (37 years) I've always cleaned the windscreen and wiper blades with methylated spirits. Wiper blades pickup all the oil, grease and traffic film of the roads and makes the water streak as it wipes. Don't just buy new blades just clean them with methylated spirits with a kitchen roll and wipe the screen. The paper towel will turn black from the grease. Black will always come of them because they are rubber but wipe until it isn't obvious. Blades will last for at least 5 years if you look after them.
Now methylated spirits isn't widely available as it was many years ago. I tried my local hardware stores but they don't stock it. I even tried chemists but they don't stock it. I bougth a litre of eBay 2 years ago for £6.71. I've just Googled it and B&Q (http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9253610&fh_location=//catalog01/en_GB/categories%3C%7B9372013%7D/categories%3C%7B9372033%7D/categories%3C%7B9502022%7D/specificationsProductType=cleaners&tmcampid=4&tmad=c&ecamp=cse_go&CAWELAID=266887103) now sell 500ml for £3.08. If your in the States its called Denatured alcohol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol)
In an emergency you can add methylated spirits to the washer fluid it prevents it freezing as it alcohol based plus it cleans things.
Thats my Christmas tip for you lads. :wink:
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You should try cleaning the wiper blades first. Ever since I've been driving (37 years) I've always cleaned the windscreen and wiper blades with methylated spirits. Wiper blades pickup all the oil, grease and traffic film of the roads and makes the water streak as it wipes. Don't just buy new blades just clean them with methylated spirits with a kitchen roll and wipe the screen. The paper towel will turn black from the grease. Black will always come of them because they are rubber but wipe until it isn't obvious. Blades will last for at least 5 years if you look after them.
Now methylated spirits isn't widely available as it was many years ago. I tried my local hardware stores but they don't stock it. I even tried chemists but they don't stock it. I bougth a litre of eBay 2 years ago for £6.71. I've just Googled it and B&Q (http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9253610&fh_location=//catalog01/en_GB/categories%3C%7B9372013%7D/categories%3C%7B9372033%7D/categories%3C%7B9502022%7D/specificationsProductType=cleaners&tmcampid=4&tmad=c&ecamp=cse_go&CAWELAID=266887103) now sell 500ml for £3.08. If your in the States its called Denatured alcohol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatured_alcohol)
In an emergency you can add methylated spirits to the washer fluid it prevents it freezing as it alcohol based plus it cleans things.
Thats my Christmas tip for you lads. :wink:
And it provides a handy winter tipple for you to have a few swigs of whilst de-frosting the car.
That's the nearest you'll get to a Christmas tip from me! :laugh:
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My problem is frozen screenwash.
I don't know what's in the screenwash bottle because it was refilled by the garage when the car was serviced, but I had the same problem before, even when I was using a mixture supposed to be OK to -20oC.
The weird part is, it never thaws! Every other car I've had, if you started a journey with frozen screenwash, you could rely on getting at least some, intermittently, as the reservoir partly thawed from the heat of the engine. Not so on the Golf. I drove over 100 miles yesterday evening, and didn't get so much as a drop from the screenwash the entire trip.
I've taken to carrying an old towel soaked in neat screenwash fluid, in a plastic box. I use that to wipe the windscreen whenever it gets so filthy I can't see.. But why the hell doesn't the reservoir thaw out while the car is being driven?
Rolfe.
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Water bottle is now located in the outside edge of the bumper, not internally in the engine bay.
Subzero wind speeds hitting the bumper will not allow it to thaw out whilst you are moving, nevermind standing still.
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I would be a bit wary of using methylated spirits as the stench is quite overpowering. :sick:
Surgical Spirit is a better bet and I think is available at chemists.
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Water bottle is now located in the outside edge of the bumper, not internally in the engine bay.
Subzero wind speeds hitting the bumper will not allow it to thaw out whilst you are moving, nevermind standing still.
What a bloody stupid idea.
Rolfe.
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Well, in some instances yes, in others no.
The space in engine bays now is completely taken up by sensors/wiring/piping/plastic and making fitting reservoirs with 5L + capacity more difficult to fit in there. That combined with increasing saftey expectations, crash impact absorbtion etc has forced the tank to be moved there.
Although, it can aid impact dispersal to a point (assuming it's full) when you/someone else crashes as it will absorb and displace some of the force. HTH.
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Fairy nuff. But how hard could it be to direct some of the waste heat from the engine to the screenwash reservoir? Right now (temperature of -15.5oC noted coming through Dolphinton on the way home last night) I might as well not have a screenwash at all.
Rolfe.
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Well indeed, but it all depends on how much that would cost. Everything relates back to cost for a manufacturer.
Of course their arguement would be that the screenwash mixture should be one that encompasses these extremes of temperature. Either that or as suggested, drop some alcohol in there. (just keep an eye on your wiper rubbers)
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Well indeed, but it all depends on how much that would cost. Everything relates back to cost for a manufacturer.
Of course their arguement would be that the screenwash mixture should be one that encompasses these extremes of temperature. Either that or as suggested, drop some alcohol in there. (just keep an eye on your wiper rubbers)
Don't tell chuff about that, he will be replacing his screen wash with vodka and driving down the motorway with his head out of the window
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Well indeed, but it all depends on how much that would cost. Everything relates back to cost for a manufacturer.
Of course their arguement would be that the screenwash mixture should be one that encompasses these extremes of temperature. Either that or as suggested, drop some alcohol in there. (just keep an eye on your wiper rubbers)
Who was expecting -15oC and below, in November? Even if I'd done it myself, I'd probably have aimed for -10 at the worst. God alone knows what the garage put in. And I do find the bog-standard stuff you get on garage forecourts doesn't deliver the performance it claims, either.
I've heard good things about the VW stuff. There is a VW commercial vehicles dealer close to where I work - if I can ever get the frozen stuff out of the reservoir (a bit hard when it stays frozen), I might call in there and see if they've got some.
Rolfe.
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i'm glad this is not just me. i get it all the time, windscreen gets filthy and i go through screenwash like nobody's business. except when its cold like the last few days and then in a 40 min journey it still hasn't thawed out so i literally have to carry a bottle of water to through onto the windscreen so that i can see at certain points of my journey. all the golfs i've had have suffered from the same problem of frozen screenwash! :angry:
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Well indeed, but it all depends on how much that would cost. Everything relates back to cost for a manufacturer.
Of course their arguement would be that the screenwash mixture should be one that encompasses these extremes of temperature. Either that or as suggested, drop some alcohol in there. (just keep an eye on your wiper rubbers)
Who was expecting -15oC and below, in November? Even if I'd done it myself, I'd probably have aimed for -10 at the worst. God alone knows what the garage put in. And I do find the bog-standard stuff you get on garage forecourts doesn't deliver the performance it claims, either.
I've heard good things about the VW stuff. There is a VW commercial vehicles dealer close to where I work - if I can ever get the frozen stuff out of the reservoir (a bit hard when it stays frozen), I might call in there and see if they've got some.
Rolfe.
Well exactly, it's the same with the mk2 lads who have had pipes bursting, and water pumps stripping impellors off, as the mix they have in the car was not blended to deal with the sudden drops we have experienced. Fortunately, as you chaps have newer cars the coolant in yours should be good to -40 ish and for at least 5 years.
Like I said, they would argue their point being that mixtures are avaliable for such temperatures. You could always take a shot at getting a free drain/replacement out of good will from the garage?
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You'll need at least 1 part VW screenwash to 2 parts water (-16 C), more if it's colder up to a max of -70 C.
That's nearly 2 bottles if you have headlamp washers with the 5 litre reservoir. (I disabled my headlamp washers last year as they weren't much use and guzzled screenwash).
It's very good stuff, around £3.50 a litre but it works a treat.
Just replaced my wiper blades. Salt problem now gone.
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I have the winter pack, heated nozzles are still a waste of time at this temperature -14 C
I am also running about 75% screen wash but still frozen..
Strangely the headlight washers freeze after the screen washers so at least I get some of the water from the overspray from them.. :laugh:
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I have the winter pack, heated nozzles are still a waste of time at this temperature -14 C
I am also running about 75% screen wash but still frozen..
Strangely the headlight washers freeze after the screen washers so at least I get some of the water from the overspray from them.. :laugh:
If you are using VW stuff then it's good to -45 C at that concentration (Max is -70 C - neat).
If you are using halfords or similar then -6 C or so.
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I have the winter pack, heated nozzles are still a waste of time at this temperature -14 C
I am also running about 75% screen wash but still frozen.
Same here, but even at relatively benign temps of -4 degrees or so. I'm wondering if VW simply tell us they're heated...
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Is is possible to minimize the amount of salt spray on your windscreen by just keeping a greater than normal distance from the vehicle in front.
My Mrs came home the other day with the front of her car covered in salt. You couldn't even read the front number plate. I have done the same journey 3 times since, and got hardly any spray on the front of mine, and I'm convinced this is down to the way we drive. I will keep a good distance behind the vehicle in front to keep out of their spray, and if there is a car overtaking me, I will ease back a bit further so that they are further away from me when they pull back into my lane. Also when overtaking lorrys, I hang back until the road is clear enough for me to accelerate past quickly so as not to be boxed in beside them for too long.
There are times when getting sprayed is unavoidable, but if you treat the spray as another vehicle on the road and give it some space, you should keep your screen cleaner for longer.
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The weird part is, it never thaws! Every other car I've had, if you started a journey with frozen screenwash, you could rely on getting at least some, intermittently, as the reservoir partly thawed from the heat of the engine. Not so on the Golf. I drove over 100 miles yesterday evening, and didn't get so much as a drop from the screenwash the entire trip.
Rolfe.
What I like about the Golf though is that if you pull the lever to skoosh the window and no water comes out, the next time you go to skoosh the window and again no water comes out, the windscreen wipers do not swipe until water next comes out.
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What I like about the Golf though is that if you pull the lever to skoosh the window and no water comes out, the next time you go to skoosh the window and again no water comes out, the windscreen wipers do not swipe until water next comes out.
My wipers on my GTI activate every time water or not. :cry:
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I've not seen it documented but then the Golf has loads of wee features that aren't documented.
I personally dislike cars that don't have a separate skoosh and swipe as there is nothing more annoying than going on a long journey and trying to clear your screen but no water comes yet the wipers just smear all the crap over the screen.
I suppose the Golf has compromised with this. No water, no swipe.
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I'd be pleased to get 400 mles from 4 litres of screenwash!
I think the reservoir is far too small and also wish the headlamp washers has a separate switch or operated one in 400 washes instead of one in five!
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I'd be pleased to get 400 mles from 4 litres of screenwash!
I think the reservoir is far too small and also wish the headlamp washers has a separate switch or operated one in 400 washes instead of one in five!
Yep, didn't like the headlamp washers from day one. (Fuse 36 from memory).
Time for a wiper change maybe? I tried cleaning mine many times but the new ones have made a big improvement.
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I'd be pleased to get 400 mles from 4 litres of screenwash!
I think the reservoir is far too small and also wish the headlamp washers has a separate switch or operated one in 400 washes instead of one in five!
Yep, didn't like the headlamp washers from day one. (Fuse 36 from memory).
Time for a wiper change maybe? I tried cleaning mine many times but the new ones have made a big improvement.
The headlamp washers are a pain in the front. So you just removed the fuse? Where is it? I am not very technical yet!
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I've found coating with Rain-X on the windscreen has helped cut down on streaking and uses fewer schooshes to clear window
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Anyone else with this problem?
Does anyone know of a way of keeping the windscreen clear of dry salt, I've used 4 litres of screenwash over the last few days. (400 miles mainly motorway/dual carriageway in the dark - this is when you need a really clear screen)
I've tried switching the blower away from the screen (A/C on), helps a little as the heat isn't on the screen but then starts misting up due to condensation from snowy shoes etc...
Is it maybe time for new wipers? (Only 14 months old, fine when its wet but the dry salt needs clearing every few minutes)??
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue. I drive over 60 miles (roundtrip) on the M1 to and from work, and the screen has been a nightmare. Worse more when all is frozen over and I can't get any water out, I have to manually spray water from my bottle when I am stationary (which happens quite a lot on the M1!!!)
I now keep the windscreen wash solution bottle near my front door as I have to refill the screenwash tank every few days (and this takes 3/4 pots!)
Bring on the summer !
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Not to mention the 'cloudy' wing mirrors, which need a clean for me to see either side behind me !
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Anyone else with this problem?
Does anyone know of a way of keeping the windscreen clear of dry salt, I've used 4 litres of screenwash over the last few days. (400 miles mainly motorway/dual carriageway in the dark - this is when you need a really clear screen)
I've tried switching the blower away from the screen (A/C on), helps a little as the heat isn't on the screen but then starts misting up due to condensation from snowy shoes etc...
Is it maybe time for new wipers? (Only 14 months old, fine when its wet but the dry salt needs clearing every few minutes)??
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue. I drive over 60 miles (roundtrip) on the M1 to and from work, and the screen has been a nightmare. Worse more when all is frozen over and I can't get any water out, I have to manually spray water from my bottle when I am stationary (which happens quite a lot on the M1!!!)
I now keep the windscreen wash solution bottle near my front door as I have to refill the screenwash tank every few days (and this takes 3/4 pots!)
Bring on the summer !
New wipers have worked a treat. £28.
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Now that you are able to see, GolfTi, would you kindly tell me where to look for the fuse, please? :wink:
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Now that you are able to see, GolfTi, would you kindly tell me where to look for the fuse, please? :wink:
Open the drivers door, the fuse panel cover is to the right of the dash (between the dash and the door when closed).
Open the cover and you should see a small plastic fuse grabber (glorified tweezers).
Carefully remove fuse 36. You can replace it whenever you feel like it. Sorry no pics as there is no way I'm going outside right now.
Or is that the ABS fuse :grin:
No, it's 36. Doesn't affect anything else, though for people with Xenons I believe it is a legal requirement to have the washers working.
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Now that you are able to see, GolfTi, would you kindly tell me where to look for the fuse, please? :wink:
Open the drivers door, the fuse panel cover is to the right of the dash (between the dash and the door when closed).
Open the cover and you should see a small plastic fuse grabber (glorified tweezers).
Carefully remove fuse 36. You can replace it whenever you feel like it. Sorry no pics as there is no way I'm going outside right now.
Or is that the ABS fuse :grin: THOU ART EVIL.
No, it's 36. Doesn't affect anything else, though for people with Xenons I believe it is a legal requirement to have the washers working.
Thank you kind sir. Will attend to this tomorrow.
One very good reason not to have Xenons (apart from the expense) as I will still be legal without the headlamp washers functioning.
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Anyone else with this problem?
Does anyone know of a way of keeping the windscreen clear of dry salt, I've used 4 litres of screenwash over the last few days. (400 miles mainly motorway/dual carriageway in the dark - this is when you need a really clear screen)
I've tried switching the blower away from the screen (A/C on), helps a little as the heat isn't on the screen but then starts misting up due to condensation from snowy shoes etc...
Is it maybe time for new wipers? (Only 14 months old, fine when its wet but the dry salt needs clearing every few minutes)??
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue. I drive over 60 miles (roundtrip) on the M1 to and from work, and the screen has been a nightmare. Worse more when all is frozen over and I can't get any water out, I have to manually spray water from my bottle when I am stationary (which happens quite a lot on the M1!!!)
I now keep the windscreen wash solution bottle near my front door as I have to refill the screenwash tank every few days (and this takes 3/4 pots!)
Bring on the summer !
Red
You need a higher ratio of screenwash to water, stops it freezing.
YNWA
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I've found coating with Rain-X on the windscreen has helped cut down on streaking and uses fewer schooshes to clear window
Thanks celtic
Good stuff that.
Don't know why I've not come across it before.
Had to try it - sad case that I am.
It improves visibility and therefore safety so I'm a fan.
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I've found coating with Rain-X on the windscreen has helped cut down on streaking and uses fewer schooshes to clear window
Thanks celtic
Good stuff that.
Don't know why I've not come across it before.
Had to try it - sad case that I am.
It improves visibility and therefore safety so I'm a fan.
But do tell Autoglass if they have to fix a stone chip on your windscreen. The Rain-X has to be completely removed for the repair to be successful.
YNWA.
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Thanks, good to know.
I love this forum, all these things I never knew.
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Thanks, good to know.
I love this forum, all these things I never knew.
:smiley:
Me too.
I heard this on the LBC radio in an Autoglass advert around 2 months ago! :nerd:
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Good luck with Rain X. I remember putting it on my windscreen years ago and yes it helped the rain just bead off but the windscreen wipers dragged like hell so I eventually had to remove it. It is great for the side windows though.
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Good luck with Rain X. I remember putting it on my windscreen years ago and yes it helped the rain just bead off but the windscreen wipers dragged like hell so I eventually had to remove it. It is great for the side windows though.
Good info.
I'll keep the glass cut/polish just in case.
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Anyone else with this problem?
Hi all. Have you tried a 10-20% mixture of glycol in the water? Should solve the problems :smiley:
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Hi and welcome - does glycol not damage the paint?
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Hi and welcome - does glycol not damage the paint?
Thanks!!
Sorry meant isopropanol. Whats in the mixture you use in the UK?? :smiley:
I guess these substances aren´t excactly good for your polish and paint... but I am more worried for all the salt used on the roads :sad:
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Now that the temperature has risen to the heady heights of -4C my washers are working again
Looks like the Carplan stuff is only good down to -6C
I seemed to be the only one on the motroway today that had working washers :laugh:
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Mine's still solid. I'm just wiping the windscreen with a towel soaked in screenwash, every so often.
Rolfe.
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Now that the temperature has risen to the heady heights of -4C my washers are working again
Looks like the Carplan stuff is only good down to -6C
I seemed to be the only one on the motroway today that had working washers :laugh:
Huh lucky you still -10 here today.
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Im i correct in thinking from this thread that the heated washer jets are not helping then? Because its the pipe/bottle thats freezing?
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Super random - I likey :grin:
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If anyone has a screwfix near them , they are doing screenwash for £1.59 that is all seasons and not already diluted like some of them now. It doesn't state what temp it goes down to but so far mine haven't froze and I've had -15 on my MFD
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Well, now our temperatures have reached the dizzy heights of +1oC, my screenwash has finally re-entered the liquid state.
I had a couple of litres of Halford's screenwash concentrate, allegedly good to -25oC neat. So I chucked it all in (well, not quite, it didn't quite take the second litre), and drove to the shop and back in the hope that might mix it a bit. How much good it'll do, just under 2 litres of that plus just over 3 litres of whatever-the-hell Andrew put in there, but it's got to be a bit better.
Rolfe.
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Anyone else with this problem?
Does anyone know of a way of keeping the windscreen clear of dry salt, I've used 4 litres of screenwash over the last few days. (400 miles mainly motorway/dual carriageway in the dark - this is when you need a really clear screen)
I've tried switching the blower away from the screen (A/C on), helps a little as the heat isn't on the screen but then starts misting up due to condensation from snowy shoes etc...
Is it maybe time for new wipers? (Only 14 months old, fine when its wet but the dry salt needs clearing every few minutes)??
I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue. I drive over 60 miles (roundtrip) on the M1 to and from work, and the screen has been a nightmare. Worse more when all is frozen over and I can't get any water out, I have to manually spray water from my bottle when I am stationary (which happens quite a lot on the M1!!!)
I now keep the windscreen wash solution bottle near my front door as I have to refill the screenwash tank every few days (and this takes 3/4 pots!)
Bring on the summer !
Red
You need a higher ratio of screenwash to water, stops it freezing.
YNWA
I was very liberal with my recent top-up, but I didn't want to put too much screenwash in as I heard that the chemicals in this could start 'eating' away at the paintwork and lets face it, VW haven't been generous with the paint !
YNWA
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I've found coating with Rain-X on the windscreen has helped cut down on streaking and uses fewer schooshes to clear window
Tried the Rain x last month. Horrible, awful stuff.
Yes, it keeps the windscreen clearer on the motorway when it's raining but...
It creates a mist/fog on the outside of the windscreen until the glass is totally warm :sick:
A little like condensation on the outside, every time you use the wipers (new blades) it smears for half a second or so.
It also makes the wipers judder :sick:
I'm still trying to get rid, just wating for a bit of dry weather.
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Its the devils potion.
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Its the devils potion.
I use a nano technology spray (:rolleyes:) to clean all glass surfaces (when I am accident free) and it works a treat. :cool:
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100% concentrate vw washer fluid for me this time of year suppose to work upto -70 :shocked:
we will see if the temps drop to -10s and below again if it works or not ?
did freeze for a short while but was 50/50
My transporter vans bottle was frozen for 12 days solid on halfrauds stuff :angry:
Why dont they run 1 of the hot water hoses from the engine past the bottle to defrost it or put them further in the engine bay :undecided: or is that too easy
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I love the word nano. Put it in front of anything and it sounds futuristic and important :laugh:
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I've found coating with Rain-X on the windscreen has helped cut down on streaking and uses fewer schooshes to clear window
Tried the Rain x last month. Horrible, awful stuff.
Yes, it keeps the windscreen clearer on the motorway when it's raining but...
It creates a mist/fog on the outside of the windscreen until the glass is totally warm :sick:
A little like condensation on the outside, every time you use the wipers (new blades) it smears for half a second or so.
It also makes the wipers judder :sick:
I'm still trying to get rid, just wating for a bit of dry weather.
Sorry didn't work out. I applied twice after complete glass clean, not had any issues :undecided:
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100% concentrate vw washer fluid for me this time of year suppose to work upto -70 :shocked:
I would not recommend this as the fluid has chemicals which can attack the body paintwork, which nowadays is very thin..............so down to you..........
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So, finally got rid of the rain-ex gunge with Halfords intensive glass cutter.
I now have 100% optical clarity again.
Lesson learnt.
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So, finally got rid of the rain-ex gunge with Halfords intensive glass cutter.
I now have 100% optical clarity again.
Lesson learnt.
The coating Rain-Ex puts on the windscreen refracts light too much and thereby affects optical clarity. There is also a thin plastic layer bonded inside the Golf windscreen to reduce noise. There are therefore two refractive surfaces. Double trouble.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. :evil:
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I've found coating with Rain-X on the windscreen has helped cut down on streaking and uses fewer schooshes to clear window
Tried the Rain x last month. Horrible, awful stuff.
Yes, it keeps the windscreen clearer on the motorway when it's raining but...
It creates a mist/fog on the outside of the windscreen until the glass is totally warm :sick:
A little like condensation on the outside, every time you use the wipers (new blades) it smears for half a second or so.
It also makes the wipers judder :sick:
I'm still trying to get rid, just wating for a bit of dry weather.
Sorry didn't work out. I applied twice after complete glass clean, not had any issues :undecided:
I've used Rain X for over 10 years and never had a problem ... the latest release seems to last a lot longer too.
Dried on insects just wipe off in Summer; and in Winter, rain/snow/salt just wipes off, with no smearing for me :smiley:
It's cheap as chips too ... a complete no brainer for me :nerd:
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