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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: p11jon on 19 December 2010, 16:19
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right 19's are on back but not front cuz i need spacers. didnt consider this this morning unfortunately and found out after alot of bother getting the white wheels off.lol. anybody got best place or links etc to by some. been advised by some of u to go for 5mm and replace bolts for longer ones. shall i get spacers same 5mm all round ? and wat length bolts will i need . help wud be much appreciated. o and i was right these wheels look very nice on unlike that shody photoshopped green golf someone put up. i know your all eager so help getting some spacers will get the car finished and pics up quicker. thanx
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The bay? :undecided:
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http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/14028/referer/rc_googleproduct.html
no need for longer bolts with 5mm spacers
not much on ebay Rich :sad:
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u sure there will be enough thread holding the wheels on the car if i keep standard bolts??? and 5mm be enough do u think? the wheel it literally half a mm from touching the suspension.
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I run 5mm spacers with standard bolts on mine, I defo wouldn't advise you with something as important as that if I wasn't doing it myself :wink:
Yes 5mm is the usual when running big wheels and coilies, you just need the clearance on the adjuster ring
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Got a set here if needed?
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ok wazzzer gotta check cuz of having the kids in it thats all . so shall i get all four wheels done then to even it out?
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Got a set here if needed?
set of four?? why u getting rid???
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Just 2 of them, Was going to use them on the fronts & then some 10mm ones on the rear, But fitted the Porsche breaks & needed to use my 10mm ones up front so had to but 15mm ones for the rears
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halfrauds!!!
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/categorydisplay_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_categoryId_165464_langId_-1
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yep totally understand mate :smiley:
I'd just worry about the fronts for now, once they're on you can see if the rears can come out a bit too, maybe 10mm :wink:
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erm cheers for offer but wazzzer just gave me a link and i might aswell get new set of 4 5mm as they 50 quid new. i was thinking going bit wider on back but my concern is when i got bit of weight in there ie children.lol. i dnt wanna go over a bump then take the paint off my rear arch.
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halfrauds!!!
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/categorydisplay_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_categoryId_165464_langId_-1
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i wudnt put anything like that on my car especially from halfords. lol. gotta be hubcentric. and quality.
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yep totally understand mate :smiley:
I'd just worry about the fronts for now, once they're on you can see if the rears can come out a bit too, maybe 10mm :wink:
if im buying for front i may aswell get back sorted but the place u gave link for only do a 12mm not a 10.
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also price jumps up to 65 quid for them. shall i just get set of four 5mm spacer and then i wont have the cost of bolts etc for back by sticking with the 5mm?
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Would possibly look odd with 5mm all round, The rears sit quite far in already so the fronts would look to be sat out further, Saying that though 5mm isnt much of a noticeable difference
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Yeah 5mm all round won't change the look from standard but will cut down on costs like you say
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is this car audio security .com where u got yours from wazzzer? do you rate them or shud i go H&R
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H&R are very reputable..
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got mine from essex styling came next day give them a call very helpful guys, hubcentric aswell and came with all bolts required
http://www.essexstyling.com/wheel-spacers-volkswagen-spacers-c-752_751.html
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can't find 5mm spacers by Essex Racing nor H&R
Those aren't the ones I bought but I would have them over mine. I don't have the additional lip so there's not much to rest the wheel on while trying to fit it lol, gets very frustrating
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its funny how that 3mm lip is so wanted and is so helpful..
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car audio and security .com are 3-5 working days on delivery. dnt wanna wait that long really. i wud like to order 2moro and get them next day if anybody knows somewhere that sell H&R or quality ones at that kind of schedule.???
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is there no tuning shops near you that may sell some ??
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i'm un aware of any if there are. i live just south of birmingham by the airport. if you know of anywhere i'd appreciate it.
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thing is no where at this time of year will have that turn around especially not in this weather..
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well if wazzzer is confident that the ones from caraudioandsecurity.com are good quality then i will have to just get them ordered and wait it out.
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TBH there isn't much to spacers, as long as they are hubcentric they will be fine
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If you wanted these 2 I have then I would post them out Tommorw by 1st class recorded delivery, They are hubcentric ones
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can't argue with that...
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+1 especially as you only need 2 for the moment..
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ye true but i dnt have paypal account or anything like that so unless your very trusting and wud take a cheque??lol. why aren't u using them???
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I did a bank balance with him and the stuff arrived promptly and as described. He is not shady at all! :smiley:
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bank transfer would be faster and easier and the guy can be trusted.. he has different spacers due to running porsche brakes now :wink:
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wat spacers are they and how much u want for them?????
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1 min & ill take a pic of them, They are in the boot of the car (covered in snow!)
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Shut ya boot then! :grin:
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i think he means the car is covered in snow!
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i think vwfriend is joking :grin:
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They are made by "Creation Motorsport" They are 5x100 & 5x112 Hubcentric ones
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c339/chris246/DSC_1318.jpg)
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c339/chris246/DSC_1319.jpg)
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The car was covered in snow, But now the inside of the boot is :grin:
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cheers for the offer but i need the 5x100 ones but i want hubcentric so the cars sitting on the axle rather than just on the wheel bolts alone. think my best be is call up this caraudioandsecurity.com place and see how fast there delivery can get them to me.they only 25quid for 5mm ones per pair.
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They are 5x100, But will also fit 5x112
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they ent got the lip on them though the wheel sits on. the ones in wazzzers link seem to.
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the lip of the hub comes through though with them only being 5mm ones, Your call mate, The offer is there should you need them.
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This is the description from the website
These spacers have been designed and manufactured especially for the VAG brand of cars. These hubcentric spacers have the VAG 57.1mm centre bore on both the internal and external face. The existing wheel bolts on your current car will be sufficient to bolt these to your car no need for longer bolts.
The spacers are made out of a single block of 100% aluminium.
These spacers are hubcentric meaning they will sit flush on the hub. We dont sell universal spacers or floating spacers as they cause too much fitment issues and vibrations. The spacer will seat securely onto the wheel hub and then directly into the alloy wheel centre bore. This ensures that there will be no issue with steering vibration caused by an unbalanced wheel and hub assembly, which is almost always present when using universal or floating spacers and will inevitably lead to irregular, excessive and expensive tyre wear.
If you have upgraded your brakes with our Porchse/Brembo brake adapters chances are these will be needed to clear the caliper from the wheel.
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and how much u looking for them????
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£15 posted (Royal Mail 1st Class Recorded), If your unsure though mate dont buy them, Just make sure your happy with them.
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bloody hell thats cheap lol
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how much hub shows through though once there on? the hub cant be much wider than the spacer so wheel wont be sat on much. i read its best not to just have it sat on wheel bolt but supported by hub also.?
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I wouldn't mind them myself for that money.....
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how much hub shows through though once there on? the hub cant be much wider than the spacer so wheel wont be sat on much. i read its best not to just have it sat on wheel bolt but supported by hub also.?
Dont know, I Never got round to fitting them, I had them ready to go on & then bought the Porsch brakes a day later & had to put 10mm ones up front
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hmmmm will need some thought let me see how soon this place can get some to me and i will let u know 2moro. good deal though thanks.
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No problem, Let me know either way, If you dont want them ill put them in the Classifieds section Tommorow night
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your wheel doesn't sit on the hub its only supported by the bolts.. that little piece of metal is only to hold the wheel while fitting the wheel.. dont know where you got the idea that, that tiny lip takes the brunt of the force..
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Wheel spacers are used to "space" the wheel out from the hub and are usually installed to give the car a wider track and so the wheels fill the arches better for improved appearance. However, wheel spacers come in two types, flat, and hub centric. Flat spacers should be avoided. Yes they are cheaper, but as they are flat, all the load of the car is held by the wheel bolts ... NOT GOOD! DC Performance only sells hubcentric wheel spacers. These spacers have a lip in the centre similar to the one on the OEM hub. This lip bares the weight as the original hub would, not the bolts. Hub centric spacers are there for much safer and very worth the extra money!
there u go. :wink:
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so i could hold my wheel on with 2 bolts and because the lip takes the wheel it would be fine......... yer ??
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that is from a performance place quoting. not me. and i guess as the wheel sitting on something it wud just add to the support. its about support i wud imagine there on about not holding the wheel on. obviously u cant used two wheel bolts thats silly and not wat i said to be honest was it. the wheel bolt hold the wheel to the car u need asll of them to stop the wheel coming off obviously but i guess as a oem hub has a 'ledge' if u like that is usually about 8-10mm that the wheel sits on that obviously adds support. if not why wud alloy wheel suppliers set the spigot rings to locate and support the alloy to sit on the hubs ledge??? also why wud bigger spacers have the so called ledge also if according to wat u say it is for nothing but making ur life easier when lining up ur bolts.????
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If your bolts are holding the wheel as they should be then the metal centre is doing nothing! Try driving along with no bolts and you'll see...... :grin:
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The lip is there plainly for locating the wheel to the necessary hole.. they are an aid and have no strengthening capabilities at all.. that website you got the info from is wrong.. spigot rings are again for ease of fitting and lining up..
Someone correct me if im wrong ??
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That is correct! There was a thread a while ago where people were arguing about some damaged spacers for sale with a damaged centre. There was nothing wrong with them but people were saying they were a deathtrap. I thought they were fine for the reasons stated above!
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i'll take your word for it. i didnt say that the lip alone take weight i meerly said as the wheel sits snug on it it can only add support aswell as the bolts rather than bolts alone. everything else is quote from a site that sells these parts and there reasons and benefit of this lip.
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That is correct! There was a thread a while ago where people were arguing about some damaged spacers for sale with a damaged centre. There was nothing wrong with them but people were saying they were a deathtrap. I thought they were fine for the reasons stated above!
yup, i posted in that thread too and said the same thing.
if your only putting 5-6mm spacers on then you cant even get hubcentric as the hub is still taller than the spacer by a good 5-6 mm, and hub on a spacer that thin is gonna increse your bore size. that quote you posted is for spacers more than 15mm where the centre hub is covered, if you want more than a 15mm gap then yes i agree go for hubcentric but they are bullsh!tting about the centre hub taking weight, it is there for alignment only, its not a strong design that could even take the weight of a car, just cos you read it on a performance site please dont take it as truth, a lot of performance shops are just that, shops, selling parts with no mechanical knowledge.
please listen to my post as i know im correct, if you only want to space 5-6 mm then just buy the flat spacers, even the cheap plastic ones from halfords will be fine as they take no weight and only strength they need is to not be crushed.
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ok got u. is 5mm gona give enough clearnace from the suspension though wazzer thinks so. im a bit concerned that 5mm dnt seem like much of a gap as its basically touching the coilover. wud a 8 or 10 mm go on front without pushing the wheel that far out it make tyre scrape the arch????
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think i replied in your other thread, 235 tyre is prob too wide, just as a test, get some washers, measure 5mm and put them on your wheel nuts as you would a spacer, obviously dont drive the car when its like this but you will have to let the wheel go up into the acrh to test for clearance.
i may be wrong and 5mm will be fine, but i think you will have trouble with tyres that wide
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I have about 2mm space between strut and tyre. If it doesnt hit, it wont hit..
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ok cheers dave. i just worry to much . just tought it close cuz if it caught at speed it cud cause alsorts of drama. lol. 5mm suddenly seems like a big gap after peoples comments. :grin: :grin:
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I rubbed on 225 with my coilovers. 5mm spacers gave me a good clearance. I have the flat type and have never had any problems with wheel balancing.
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That is correct! There was a thread a while ago where people were arguing about some damaged spacers for sale with a damaged centre. There was nothing wrong with them but people were saying they were a deathtrap. I thought they were fine for the reasons stated above!
yup, i posted in that thread too and said the same thing.
if your only putting 5-6mm spacers on then you cant even get hubcentric as the hub is still taller than the spacer by a good 5-6 mm, and hub on a spacer that thin is gonna increse your bore size. that quote you posted is for spacers more than 15mm where the centre hub is covered, if you want more than a 15mm gap then yes i agree go for hubcentric but they are bullsh!tting about the centre hub taking weight, it is there for alignment only, its not a strong design that could even take the weight of a car, just cos you read it on a performance site please dont take it as truth, a lot of performance shops are just that, shops, selling parts with no mechanical knowledge.
please listen to my post as i know im correct, if you only want to space 5-6 mm then just buy the flat spacers, even the cheap plastic ones from halfords will be fine as they take no weight and only strength they need is to not be crushed.
Spot on 5mm spacers will be fine as the flat type, anything wider needs to be hubcentric.