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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: ErikGTI on 03 December 2010, 19:45
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Is this XDS quite helpfull in the dutch snow or am I imagening things....
My MK6 seems a much better performer when it comes to icy surfaces than the MK5 although my steeringwheel betrays the icy surfaces by steering a lot easier than the MK5, the course of the MK6 seems much more straight....
Any followers on this subject.... :nerd:
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I'd say it was exactly what the XDS was supposed to do.
...and yes, I've noticed some seriously impressive behaviour that I'd put down to the XDS/TC electronics.
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:laugh:.....I thought it was wishfull thinking, but my selfconfidence in icy weather with my car is now at a much higher level.... :cool:
Last year with the MKV was quite dreadfull to be honest.... :embarassed:
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I'm amazed at how much throttle the car will take, whilst the steering wheel sits perfectly straight ahead, and the TC light flashes...just smooth driving. Very impressive.
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I will tell you HOW impressive...a couple of days ago I was chasing at an incredible fast speed a mini works 250 HP...I was a bit angry that my traction-light went on flashing a couple of times while nearly pushing the mini away...then I suddelnly noticed that it was minus 3 on the temp meter....... :embarassed: :lipsrsealed: :evil:
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Ain't been using my GTD since the snow so I think I'll take it for a spin to find out.
Disco's been great heated steering wheel, seats and fuel burning pre-heater is nice this time of year :-)
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my selfconfidence in icy weather with my car is now at a much higher level.... :cool:
Be very carefull, I had that same feeling earlier this week and almost took out my car and 3 other parked cars, my attitude soon changed.
Last year with the MKV was quite dreadfull to be honest.... :embarassed:
Ive done a bit of snow driving for work and tbh it hasnt been that bad, got stuck a few times now but we have had the snow so bad I think any car would have, its been really tricky driving. Would love to drive a MK6 with this XDS to compare (offers? :D)
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my selfconfidence in icy weather with my car is now at a much higher level.... :cool:
Be very carefull, I had that same feeling earlier this week and almost took out my car and 3 other parked cars, my attitude soon changed.
Last year with the MKV was quite dreadfull to be honest.... :embarassed:
Ive done a bit of snow driving for work and tbh it hasnt been that bad, got stuck a few times now but we have had the snow so bad I think any car would have, its been really tricky driving. Would love to drive a MK6 with this XDS to compare (offers? :D)
MK5 is old hat Alan, time to get the 6 :smug:
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Are we actually going to get into this again ? :D
Has yours got XDS? Im free this afternoon ;)
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Are we actually going to get into this again ? :D
Has yours got XDS? Im free this afternoon ;)
ha ha ha Yes it has XDS and no your out a luck today :grin:
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Got to say I'm impressed, where I live is full if black ice and the car handled it very well, we have a number of mk5 170 & 140's and they don't cope anywhere near aswell, I wondered in the wisdom of having no "W" button but the simple answer is that the XDS equipped cars don't seem to need it - nice work VW.
On the strength of this I'm going into work in the golf today so I'll let you know how it goes ;-)
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Used it a few days now and although I am always/still aware of being taken by surprise in those icy condition the car 's handling is great.. :cool:.
Last year I had to do a bit of driving and I did not like it at all....even pulling up in icy conditions with the Mk V was very poor... :sick:
XDS GREAT INVENTION...it makes me look like a very skillfull driver... :smug: :evil:
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Went very well today - I'm impressed :-)
Do all GTD's have this feature?
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Pretty sure the early ones didn't have it but not sure at what point in production they introduced it to the GTD.
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It became standard in November last year.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=130186.300
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Cool, was it optional pre Nov?
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Nope.
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Cool, was it optional pre Nov?
The XDS is not a proper mechanical Limited Slip Differential. The golf system is an electronic LSD. It is designed to prevent the inside wheel spinning under acceleration in corner and help prevent torque understeer i.e. going straight ahead at a corner when you put your foot down. Basically the system just uses the brakes to stop one wheel spinning and ensure that both front wheels have maximum grip under acceleration.
I'm sure I read somewhere that XDS was not initially fitted to the GTD due to problems with the system handling the extra torque. Thought it might be possible to get it retro fitted as it should just be a software upgrade.
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Basically the system just uses the brakes to stop one wheel spinning and ensure that both front wheels have maximum grip under acceleration.
I thought thats what ESP did? In fact Im pretty sure thats what ESP does.
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Basically the system just uses the brakes to stop one wheel spinning and ensure that both front wheels have maximum grip under acceleration.
I thought thats what ESP did? In fact Im pretty sure thats what ESP does.
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I thought thats what ESP did? In fact Im pretty sure thats what ESP does.
Nope, ESP brakes opposite wheels to counter a skid, and monitors yaw and steering angle to determine if the car is either under or oversteering. ESP can also cut power...but it doesn't try to stop the unloaded wheel spinning like XDS does, as ESP is only really triggered based on steering angle/yaw.
They do similar things in many ways...but ESP won't activate on straight line accelleration like XDS does.
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ESP = Electronic Stability Programme...only concerned with straightening up a car that's lost it's stability and is no longer on it's intended path.
It's a safety system, not a traction system.
XDS is a traction improvement...and does absolutely nothing to stop a car going sidewards when out of control.
They both use the ABS system for information though, and the ABS controller to activate the individual brake callipers.
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Cheers for that :smiley:
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They do similar things in many ways...but ESP won't activate on straight line accelleration like XDS does.
They how come with the ESP on my Passat won't work on a rolling road (or spin the front wheels on sheet ice for that matter)? It is sensing a greater difference in front to rear wheel speeds therefore putting the brakes on and killing the power.
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They do similar things in many ways...but ESP won't activate on straight line accelleration like XDS does.
They how come with the ESP on my Passat won't work on a rolling road (or spin the front wheels on sheet ice for that matter)? It is sensing a greater difference in front to rear wheel speeds therefore putting the brakes on and killing the power.
No idea...is it broken? :smiley:
Does it have traction control? TCS/ASR?
They'll cut the power if the wheels spin...they are pretty crude.
My last few cars with ESP have all been able to be run in a dyno with it engaged...but it's generally better to disengage to get more predictable runs.
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ESP incorporates traction control, stability control and EDL (electronic differential lock). EDL is a Mk5 thing and sounds very similar to XDS. The car can sense one wheel is spinning more than the other and transfers power (through braking) to the other wheel. That's what the grinding noise is on the Mk5 when you're in snow or ice.
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ESP incorporates traction control, stability control and EDL (electronic differential lock). EDL is a Mk5 thing and sounds very similar to XDS. The car can sense one wheel is spinning more than the other and transfers power (through braking) to the other wheel. That's what the grinding noise is on the Mk5 when you're in snow or ice.
ESP may well include the others...but not XDS, that's a different system.
EDL isn't a Mk5 thing either...my Mk3 16v has it, it was released in 1994 in the Mk3 16v!
XDS seems to be a more advanced version of EDL...but one that doesn't cut out at 30 MPH as EDL does...and is far more subtle in it's activation.
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Ahhhhhh thats right. I remember the man at Audi explaining it all when I was a driving course with them. Just couldn't remember it and for some reason thought he mentioned individual braking of wheels (which he obviously didn't).
Good work on the explanation :cool: