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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: mellow yellow on 18 November 2010, 09:43
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I broke down this morning in my 8v gti.
firstly my power steering went on the way to work which was quite interesting :shocked: but i managed to carry on my journey, however when i reached the town i work in i noticed that the water temp was very high and so i pulled over into a nearby park and ride and by this time the temp light was flashing.
I let it cool down for a bit but had to get to work because by this time i was running late.
I did feel the expansion bottle and it seemed low but didnt take the cap off because didnt want water all over my suit. :lipsrsealed:
any ideas on what could have happened? are the power steering and water levels/temp related or is this two seperate things?
thing is i'm in work now and cant get out to my car til its dark???
bloody things :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I would check to make sure your belt is still there. PAS pump going in line with engine temp soaring is a give away. Don't drive it anymore as your water pump isn't going to be working with no belt on it.
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Hi ,i had similar problem,water pump leaking,inturn the pas belt slipping on right turns.All sorted now as i had new water pump fitted plus new cambelt,pas belt and fanbelt.
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ok so the pas belt powers the water pump? any pics of where this is on the engine?
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Same side as the timing belt. Left hand side of the engine as you look into the bay.
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ah ok, so in the same respect if the water pump has failed then this would cause the loss of water and also the pas to stop working?
my first thoughts are new water pump then because it has been noisy lately.
just hope the overheat hasnt warped the head :shocked: only ran for a couple of mins with the light flashing so fingers crossed.
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pas belt is seperate to waterpump belt, unless you have aircon?
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yes got aircon mate so does that mean its probably the water pump at fault? therefore new water pump and all new belts needed?
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aha, explains everything then. you have a loose or missing pas/waterpump belt as above. its the thinner V belt, not the big thick ribbed one.
fingers crossed you haven't damaged the engine due to waterpump not spinning!
not gonna be the pump itself i dont think, if that had failed it wouldn't effect the pas. unless it had siezed or something, but not so common for that to happen. more likely you lost tension or belt snapped
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cool, thanks for the advice.
i'm meeting the rac man at my car after work so hopfully he can get me home so i can get it all sorted.
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Hi ,,the reason my PAS was playing up when my water pump was leaking was because the leaking coolant was getting onto the PAS belt.more apparent on right turns.
This is similar to when your PAS belt is worn and rain water is splashed onto belt.
Coolant is more slippery than water
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todays update, i met the rac man at my car last night and he said that my water pump had seized and caused the casing to leak.
The car was too low to get on the drop down towing thingy so i was towed to a nearby garage on the straight bar and the rac man dropped me off at home 25 miles away. very good service from the rac, i was quite impressed.
how much should i be paying for a replacement? i figured about 35 for the parts and about 1 hour labour, so about £100 max? is this about right?
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http://www.vwspares.co.uk/golf3.php :)
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cheers for that link, i'm being massively ripped off by the garage its gone to.
The said they would look at what wrong first then call me, so.........
Just got a call saying they have already spent 1 1/2 hours investigating the damage,
1) they cant get it up on the ramps coz its too low so are having to do it on the workshop floor? I thought you could access it from the top by removing the alt?
2) because they are getting at it from underneath they are having to remove the cambelt as they cannot get to it otherwise? again is this BS?
3) they have quoted £200 for a cambelt kit alone, WTF? what planet are they on?
4) they have not even got a price for the water pump yet.
thing is i cant even take it anywhere else coz its in bits and doesnt drive and they will still charge me for the labour being carried out!
opinions please? i feel like i'm being royally robbed???!!!
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I was always under the impression that the cambelt was the first pulley on the crank, and the aux belts used pulleys that were spaced away from that as they needed changing more regularly.
Sounds like a jokers garage to be honest.
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cambelt?! wtf?!
no need to do that, a/c comp off and moved aside, alt off, waterpump off. all done from above. if anything its harder to do it from underneath! i could do it in half an hour, sound like a bunch of chancers out to rip you off.
only bit remotely connected to cambelt is 1 T bolt thru waterpump, which holds on a small nut which secures front of lower cambelt cover. undo nut, remove T bolt. done.
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cambelt?! wtf?!
no need to do that, a/c comp off and moved aside, alt off, waterpump off. all done from above. if anything its harder to do it from underneath! i could do it in half an hour, sound like a bunch of chancers out to rip you off.
only bit remotely connected to cambelt is 1 T bolt thru waterpump, which holds on a small nut which secures front of lower cambelt cover. undo nut, remove T bolt. done.
exactly what i thought and i'm a novice :-) what can i do about it now? the car is in bits and they want to charge labour for the work they have done. If i agree to the work and ask for a statement of exactly what has been done can i do anything about it after?
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refuse to pay for the belt kit and labour involved, as its completely unnecessary. explain the waterpump is actually on the front of the block, nowhere near the timing belt. i expect some muppet was mistaking your car for a 1.4 or a 1.8t or something, where waterpump tensions the timing belt.
get trading standards involved if you have to :)
however, was it due a timing belt? if so, might be worth paying for it anyway :grin:
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cambelt?! wtf?!
no need to do that, a/c comp off and moved aside, alt off, waterpump off. all done from above. if anything its harder to do it from underneath! i could do it in half an hour, sound like a bunch of chancers out to rip you off.
only bit remotely connected to cambelt is 1 T bolt thru waterpump, which holds on a small nut which secures front of lower cambelt cover. undo nut, remove T bolt. done.
this is true... I have seen him do it! :afro:
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it would be due one soon anyway but thats not the point :smiley:
i hate been ripped off, its only gone in for a water pump, i told them what was wrong and they still try to make up a BS story to con me out of money. i'd love to know an honest mechanic :lipsrsealed:
i'm gonna have to fork out for it now as its too late and try to do something about it after.
How much should the work that they are actually doing cost coz i bet they still exagerate that price!!!
replace water pump and repalce and fir cambelt kit??
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yep totally agree with you there, principle of the thing. should cost at most £50 for the part, and at very,very most 2 hours labour. if charged up to 20 for new pas and waterpump belts i wouldnt argue the point as well.
anything over that, and its just getting ridiculous!
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just got off the phone with the garage and the final price is now £255 + vat.
This is for new water pump and coolant etc suplied and fitted and new cambelt kit supplied and fitted inc all labour.
Now for the price that is all fine and i'm happy to pay that for the work done but i'm still pissed off that they took it upon themselves to do the extra work. :laugh: dont think i'll be taking my custom back there in a hurry.
Think i'm gonna ask for a haynes manual and some tools for christmas :grin: ................ but seriously any links to good tool starter kits would be appreciated :wink:
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cant go wrong with the big holfords pro kit, great starter kit with pretty much everything you need to get you started. if you can get a halfords trade card you can get a nice discount too. there are ways and means to get one yourself too ;)
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cant go wrong with the big holfords pro kit, great starter kit with pretty much everything you need to get you started. if you can get a halfords trade card you can get a nice discount too. there are ways and means to get one yourself too ;)
pm me please :smiley: and cheers for your help mate, much appreciated! :cool:
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if its about the card, not really a secret :)
http://www.volkszone.com/VZi/showthread.php?s=8d69b58d6bf3d6db870c334b7df44dd1&t=462797
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=676691
ive seen advice to go on ebay and get some blank payslips, which you then print out at home with whatever details you like ;)
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this any good?
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_728767_categoryId_165572_langId_-1?cm_vc=IOV4PDPZ1&iozone=PDPz1#dtab
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looks plenty good enough to get you started, the 1st tools i had was a cheapo screwdriver bit set and a small drapper socket set. got me thru the first few jobs!
this one is what i meant above, as i asy its quite pricey but it depends how much your family and friends love you :grin:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_categoryId_165572_langId_-1?cm_vc=IOV4PLPZ1&iozone=PLPz1
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looks plenty good enough to get you started, the 1st tools i had was a cheapo screwdriver bit set and a small drapper socket set. got me thru the first few jobs!
this one is what i meant above, as i asy its quite pricey but it depends how much your family and friends love you :grin:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_173083_categoryId_165572_langId_-1?cm_vc=IOV4PLPZ1&iozone=PLPz1
ha yeah might have to be nice to the GF and get an early christmas prezzie.
I like the cheaper one myself, looks more manly in the red drawer set :smiley:. i guess the second one will be better quality though?
I have a few tools kicking about at home from what i have borrowed lol etc but want a decent set that will last.
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dont think there is much in it quality wise, looks like red one is great value since its now half price :cool:
main issue with it is it only has wee ratchets in there, the other kit has proper 1/2" drive ratchet and bigger sockets. but then is it really worth £50 more!
might be wroth going into the local one then can get a feel for the kits :)