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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 18:21

Title: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 18:21
Hi all, I have a '96 GL TDI, which has knackered suspension.

Picked up an original full VR6 setup with VR6 top mounts, etc. off a mate for cheap and I've fitted this but there is far too much play between the strut tower and the metal top mount plate.. probably about 10mm I'd say.

It seems the top mount nut is as tight as it'll go (windy gun now just caused the top mount plate to spin) and doing it manually using an allen key and socket we can't get it any tighter.


Where am I going wrong?! Are we supposed to use the metal top mount plate from a VR6 too or something?


Thanks in advance!

Jamie
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: Paul86S2 on 14 November 2010, 20:08
The top mounts are probably knackered. Re-fit with new top mounts. Try to get Lemforder or VW ones they seem to last longer than the others in the marketplace.

There should be a gap between the top plate and the tower top but it should be in the region of 3 to 6mm.

Paul
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 20:10
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs921.snc4/73401_501170865020_615035020_7540011_1401618_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs942.snc4/73534_501170670020_615035020_7540007_3762622_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1123.snc4/148533_501170535020_615035020_7540004_2907853_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1157.snc4/149935_501170420020_615035020_7540001_4405812_n.jpg)

Pictures of both sides..
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 22:55
If it were knackered top mounts, how would this cause the metal top cap things to sit so highly? Does the rubber expand or something?

Could the metal top caps be different for the VR6?
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: Wayne on 14 November 2010, 23:26
I think you have assemblied it wrong.
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 23:41
Care to elaborate please?

I basically bought the suspension set-up from a mate of mine who was breaking a VR6. He removed it straight from the car and gave it to me as-is.
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: Wayne on 14 November 2010, 23:48
I think you have a extra nut fitted under the metal plate that is not needed.
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 23:53
I think you may be right actually. To be honest, we didn't check the VR6 suspension, just threw it straight on.

I'll get one side off the car tomorrow to inspect/take some photos :)


What nut do you think I may have one extra of? And what should I have there and in what order please?
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose!
Post by: Wayne on 15 November 2010, 09:13
Quote from: jamie_pyrite on 14 November 2010, 23:53
I think you may be right actually. To be honest, we didn't check the VR6 suspension, just threw it straight on.

I'll get one side off the car tomorrow to inspect/take some photos :)


What nut do you think I may have one extra of? And what should I have there and in what order please?

Hope this helps  :smiley:

(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/jmfangio5/407150.png)
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 15 November 2010, 12:13
Looks like Wayne was right. We noticed when the weight went onto the suspension the top mount squashed up which makes the top cap sit higher.
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: Wayne on 15 November 2010, 12:26
No worries, happy to help.  :smiley:
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 15 November 2010, 15:23
The problem unfortunately continues.. got brand new top mounts on and it now sits at about 6mm when its just sat on the ground.. but if I push down on the car it goes up to about 15 then springs back down. IT also knocks when driving!
Any ideas? top mount is tightened down as far as it will go.
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: rubjonny on 15 November 2010, 15:39
was it running the same style of top mou8nts before, or did you convert from the older style mounts to mk3 gti? if you converted, did you also change the upper spring caps and also changed the old slotted bush for the gti threaded nut
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 15 November 2010, 15:50
Hmmm, basically, the car had standard tdi suspension on. We used the top cap bolt and the top cap from this setup. I bought a full setup from a vr6 and put this on, just changing the top mount for new items. so in theory, all those things you mentioned should be for a vr6.
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: rubjonny on 15 November 2010, 16:08
yeah you would know if it was wrong tbh, top mounts completly different design.  cant think whats gone wrong then!

are you 100% sure the threaded nuts were tightened as far as they can go? not sure with vr suspension but with oem mk2 springs you would need spring compressors to tighten it down all the way. maybe damaged threads? but then be bad luck for this to happen both sides  :undecided:
Title: Re: VR6 suspension on.. top mount is too loose! *pics*
Post by: jamie_pyrite on 15 November 2010, 17:31
PRoblem solved! It was the spring cap nut wasn't tightened down enough. Drives much better now. Just need tracking done..

Thanks to everyone who helped!