GolfGTIforum.co.uk

Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 17:41

Title: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 17:41
Fitted my Saikou Michi catch can today on the old girl and what a bloody hard job lol i thought i will nip down to the garage wack it on and bobs your uncle well no it took me like 2 hours to get the old PCV system off and then i lost the really important circlip so spend 40 minutes finding that  :grin: the re-fitting the really important circlip was nigh on impossible.. I also got bored at one point and pretty much blocked every thing.. i have got rid of the PCV valve and the suction jet pump and some other valve things.. and seems a lot better now.. Only time will tell if its working.. all in all i went down there at 11am today and got back at 17:15 but the result is it looks awesome.. also changed fuel filter and colder spark plugs..

No pics as it got to dark.. most people know what they look like anyways..

Just thought i would let yas know.. Oh yer its a 2002 aum..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: james2 on 14 November 2010, 17:49
pictures   :smiley:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 18:20
will take some tomo mate i was surprised how OEM it looks lol
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 14 November 2010, 20:05
where have you vented it to?
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 20:16
its all going into the catch can..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 14 November 2010, 21:07
where have you vented it to?

You aren't allowed to vent to atmosphere any more...
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 21:09
I have no idea what all that means anyways i just routed everything to the can and removed all the stupid check valve and pumps etc.. much neater but my hands are cut to sh!te seriously there is no room in there..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 14 November 2010, 21:22
meaning you can't just stick a breather filter on and vent all the vapour into the air like I used to with my old Fords  :grin:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 21:31
oh i know people that do that on fords still lol
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 14 November 2010, 21:38
so where does the catch tank vent to?
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 14 November 2010, 21:41
nowhere, it collects the vapour and cools it down turning it back to liquid. You then empty the can out periodically and dispose of it in your local civic amenity site  :grin:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 14 November 2010, 21:42
+1 on whats said above it collects it so you can dispose and stop damaging your engine..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 14 November 2010, 22:53
So the can just has one pipe leading into it and none out? On their website there is an outlet pipe - where does that go to or is it left as is?
Basically I have a forge catch tank (on car when bought) that has pipe leadinf down into the wing/below battery and its making a mess! I am not sure what the inside of the forge unit is like though. I was wondering if there were other options for this venting pipe.
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: brendan on 15 November 2010, 05:25
Mine vents to atmosphere, it just stinks of oil vapour all the time.
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 15 November 2010, 07:05
outlet goes back to the intake pipe but only after the vapour has passed through the tank. This means the oil in the vapour will have cooled and be a liquid so won't go back into the intake

Put a pic up of yours Aaron as it should really be a closed system. You might just be able to add one pipe and not have it venting
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 15 November 2010, 20:10
Car is currently stuck in the garage...
Will try get a pick up after. So do most feed back into the TIP? As I said, I have a thick pipe with a filter venting to the atmosphere, down the side of the battery box. I am not keen on it tbh.
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 15 November 2010, 20:12
sounds abodge to me mate catch can should really illiminate any venting to atmosphere..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 22 November 2010, 15:57
tech, did you get any pics of yours at all? Would be nice to see how its plumbed in!
I will get some pics of mine but car ain't gonna be back for a couple weeks yet it seems...
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 22 November 2010, 16:18
Sorry totally forgot about pics will get some tomo mate
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 November 2010, 17:17
Yeah with pics that explain exactly where things go and where new pipes will go to..

Im doing this very soon, actually sod it write up a guide tech, lots of people do this and you know you want to!

 :grin:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 November 2010, 17:50
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 November 2010, 18:53
ok mate, going to need you to walk me through what to take off aswell  :grin:

Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 22 November 2010, 19:28
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:

Nice build thread Wazzer. Hows the twin rear fog mod done? And how easy was that wee replacement breather pipe to fit?
I can't see where your catch tank outlet is heading though...
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: richw911 on 22 November 2010, 19:30
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:

Nice build thread Wazzer. Hows the twin rear fog mod done?.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=112919.0  :smiley:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 November 2010, 19:31
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:

Nice build thread Wazzer. Hows the twin rear fog mod done? And how easy was that wee replacement breather pipe to fit?
I can't see where your catch tank outlet is heading though...

Outlet goes back into TIP :afro:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 22 November 2010, 19:36
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:

Nice build thread Wazzer. Hows the twin rear fog mod done? And how easy was that wee replacement breather pipe to fit?
I can't see where your catch tank outlet is heading though...

Outlet goes back into TIP :afro:
Aye, cheers, but where exactly?

And thanks for that link Rich
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: richw911 on 22 November 2010, 19:39
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:

Nice build thread Wazzer. Hows the twin rear fog mod done? And how easy was that wee replacement breather pipe to fit?
I can't see where your catch tank outlet is heading though...

Outlet goes back into TIP :afro:
Aye, cheers, but where exactly?

And thanks for that link Rich

No probs  :smiley:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 November 2010, 19:39
Into the hockey puck looking thing if you choose to keep it, if not just into an elbow which ges directly into TIP
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 November 2010, 20:04
all you gotta do is have a look at mine  :laugh:

Nice build thread Wazzer. Hows the twin rear fog mod done? And how easy was that wee replacement breather pipe to fit?
I can't see where your catch tank outlet is heading though...

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Not updated for a while though, should do as I've fitted my Forge actuator now. You mean the elbow into the block?
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 22 November 2010, 20:56
looks like i no longer need to include pics lol
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 22 November 2010, 21:00
Will always be helpful if i need reference tech  :nerd:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 22 November 2010, 22:42
Dave_IOW: Cheers, I will check mine when its back from the garage:embarassed:. From memory I am not sure whats left on the TIP (its a silicone elbow into alloy hard pipe job).

Wazzer: Yep, thats the pipe I meant. Will keep an eye out for the up dates!

Tech: Pics are always nice...
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 22 November 2010, 23:55
Well i got some photos for yas not great but hey ho..

(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac237/tech1889/IMG_0245.jpg)

(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac237/tech1889/IMG_0244.jpg)

(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac237/tech1889/IMG_0241.jpg)

(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac237/tech1889/IMG_0240.jpg)

(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac237/tech1889/IMG_0242.jpg)

(http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac237/tech1889/IMG_0239.jpg)

Not the best but gives you an idea.. saikou michi FTW !!
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: jonnyturbo on 25 November 2010, 12:45
Nice pics does the drain off valve clear the coolant pipe?
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 25 November 2010, 16:37
does the what do what ??
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 November 2010, 17:26
the pipe that comes from the block breather to the bottom of the T piece, does it clear the coolant hose from the rad as it's a bit tight down there

Aaron the elbow isn't too bad to fit, just gotta make sure you don't force anything as it's quite fragile plastic
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 25 November 2010, 19:12
Waz mate, gunna need your guidance on doing this soon mate, my catch tank should be on its way  :laugh:

What else do i need buddy, got tank, 2m 19mm I/D oil resistant hose, i need 19mm T peice, and some bungs? Do you know what size they need to be of the top of your head?
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 November 2010, 19:20
No need for bungs mate, just get yourself 2off 19mm 90deg elbows for the pipework :wink:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Dave_IOW on 25 November 2010, 19:23
so 2 x 19mm 90 bends
and 1 x 19mm T peice,

that all i need?
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 November 2010, 19:24
you got it  :cool:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 20 December 2010, 18:27
Well, I finally got the car back and got round to taking those pics:
This is the actual catch tank and its plumbing:

(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1172/catchtank003.jpg) (http://img805.imageshack.us/i/catchtank003.jpg/)

And the other end of the venting pipe:

(http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6206/catchtank004.jpg) (http://img218.imageshack.us/i/catchtank004.jpg/)

And this is a shot of the TIP, I know its not a great pic but I cannot see the puck thing to plumb into...

(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2120/catchtank002.jpg) (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/catchtank002.jpg/)

Could the puck bit not be there?

Cheers
Aaron
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 20 December 2010, 20:39
your plumbing is completely different to mine  :undecided:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 20 December 2010, 20:46
Yeah, having had a good look at all the pics from yours and others I headed out to look at mine and got a bit confused!
The problem is I don't know what half the pipes going into/around the TIP are. What is the hockey puck thing as I cannot see it anywhere!
Looks like I am staying venting to atmosphere for now sadly.

On another note, I left it a bit long between changes and it got quite full and was frozen. Its still thawing now! gonna have to pop it back on tomorrow.

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1537/catchtank008.jpg) (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/catchtank008.jpg/)
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 20 December 2010, 20:51
well i removed all of the PCV system as its all sh!t.. and i kept the hockey puck i think but thats it.. that plumbing is sh!t and going all over the place buddy.. needs sorted and plumbing properly for the benefits..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: GunnerCP on 20 December 2010, 21:02
i'd like to do this on my AGU but no idea where to start really, looked at various diy's but think it may be over my head and dont want to remove all the pipes then be stumped!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: AaronGS on 20 December 2010, 21:04
Yeah, I will have another read of the plumbing and tackle it in January! Its been like that for years now mind.
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: tech1889 on 20 December 2010, 21:08
thing is it looks like the standard pcv system is still there so it not sorted the main problem out lol..  if ya need any help give us a shout..
Title: Re: Catch Can install = sh!te Job
Post by: 2001gti4 on 21 December 2010, 08:40
This is a really handy page with photos, helped me a lot:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/269734/1771730.aspx (http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/269734/1771730.aspx)