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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: KennyGTI on 09 November 2010, 18:53
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Ordered a set of 5000k hids from hids4u. Had a look about some other mk6 golf forums (slag) today and found you can fit them after all! Headlights need removed to do so is the only downside so back off with the front bumper! Just posted this to let others know it can be done somehow so will let you know how it get on.
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You're fitting xenon lights into a halogen headlight? :undecided:
Expect to get flashed by a lot of people when the light scatters all over the place. PC plod might have something to say too.
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No Bi-Xenons? :sad:
Why? :huh:
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Nearly as annoying as people who drive with their fog lights on.
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Mot laws are changing next year and they will now fail.
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Asker - The Bi Xenons were working out to be too dear, getting to the stage I can't justify spending that much on lights when it could be spent elsewhere i.e. the house. This opition will keep me satisfied and at a 1/10th of the price.
It is H7R bulbs I have got, designed for reflector housing, same as Civic GT's and Renault Lagunas etc. Dont worry I wont be blinding people, ran this set up on my Polo for 2 and a half years without any problems, people flashing or failing MOT. Went for the 5000K to keep it away from naff looking cheap HIDs that people fit and look OEM as possible!
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Asker - The Bi Xenons were working out to be too dear, getting to the stage I can't justify spending that much on lights when it could be spent elsewhere i.e. the house. This opition will keep me satisfied and at a 1/10th of the price.
It is H7R bulbs I have got, designed for reflector housing, same as Civic GT's and Renault Lagunas etc. Dont worry I wont be blinding people, ran this set up on my Polo for 2 and a half years without any problems, people flashing or failing MOT. Went for the 5000K to keep it away from naff looking cheap HIDs that people fit and look OEM as possible!
Sounds good Kenny..... Be nice if you can get some before and after shots.
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Will do Martin,
Hopefully get it done om Friday if I can get it off. :cool:
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Will do Martin,
Hopefully get it done om Friday if I can get it off. :cool:
Top man.... good luck with it :smiley:
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http://wrecks2riches.co.uk/2010/10/2011-changes-to-mot/
HID lights – Specifically those aftermarket kits that give the very bright headlight beams. Any cars found with these kits will be an automatic MOT failure. Testers are able to easily spot the difference between HID kits, and manufacturer fitted Xenon’s. Easy to spot as Xenon cars have suspension level sensors, in car beam adjuster, and usually headlight washers.
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I think those rules were made up by someone and have been doing the rounds on the forums.
This is what was actually said in the October report (http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2048%20-%20Oct%202010.pdf) this year.
Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations.
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I think those rules were made up by someone and have been doing the rounds on the forums.
This is what was actually said in the October report (http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2048%20-%20Oct%202010.pdf) this year.
Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations.
That maybe the case, however HID's are illegal and are not clever.
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I think those rules were made up by someone and have been doing the rounds on the forums.
This is what was actually said in the October report (http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT%20-%20Issue%2048%20-%20Oct%202010.pdf) this year.
Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations.
Another site emailed them and replied it will be included, just not sure how in depth yet. They also agreed all the above mentioned will be looked at being included.
So not made up at all
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I think I would believe the report as opposed to some here-say on a forum.
Maybe the person who emailed them could include the email details.. :tongue:
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http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
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I remember reading that before, interesting that it was written in 2006 yet neither the MOT centres or the police do anything to enforce it. :smiley:
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Thank you for your email enquiry dated 11th November 2010, concerning MOT updates.
There are indeed a raft of changes to the MOT test bought about a revised European Directive.
VOSA and the Department for Transport are still working on the changes and how they will be implemented, so it is not possible to state exactly what the changes will be at this time.
I can confirm that the items listed are all in the Directive, but that does not categorically mean that they will become testable items in 2011.
There will be a press release once the changes are finalised.
I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Kind Regards
[VOSA]
VOSA Contact Centre
Operations Directorate
Tel: 0300 123 9000
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I remember reading that before, interesting that it was written in 2006 yet neither the MOT centres or the police do anything to enforce it. :smiley:
Although they can if they choose to. You are also driving with void insurance as you have an illegal mod. If you crash the insurance company could walk away.
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I bet VOSA with there roadside checks will enforce it. I have seen them go over nearly new cars with a toothcomb as they know the common failures. Fabias, polos, ibizas use to have problems with CV boots when less than 3 years old and VOSA often waved them in to there roadside check points.
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I don't like aftermarket HID's either and it is about time they did something to regulate their use, but there is a straightforward reason why people do not get fined for using them.
For something to become 'illegal' there has to be an act of parliament or a legal precedent set - neither of which has happened yet with respect to aftermarket HID's. Therefore, they are not illegal.
If you read the Dft fact sheet carefully, you'll note that nowhere does it actually state that aftermarket HID's are illegal, only that it is "the Departments view" that they are illegal and "Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal".
All the talk about ECE regulations only applies to type approval of new vehicles for sale in the UK/Europe, so doesn't apply to used/privately owned vehicles. It also says that HID's are not even mentioned in the UK lighting regulations, so by definition they are not regulated. Until they are, they can't really tell you what you can and can't do with them.
The only part which does suggest you shouldn't use them is "In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs." However this again represents a view, rather than a law or legal precedent.
As for the MOT, it's not concerned with legality but with vehicle condition and safety, so does not consider things like the bulb design but looks only at the resultant function, i.e. beam pattern. Provided the beam pattern is okay and you have two of them mounted symmetrically, you could have nuclear reactors for light sources and you'd get a pass.
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I don't like aftermarket HID's either and it is about time they did something to regulate their use, but there is a straightforward reason why people do not get fined for using them.
For something to become 'illegal' there has to be an act of parliament or a legal precedent set - neither of which has happened yet with respect to aftermarket HID's. Therefore, they are not illegal.
If you read the Dft fact sheet carefully, you'll note that nowhere does it actually state that aftermarket HID's are illegal, only that it is "the Departments view" that they are illegal and "Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal".
All the talk about ECE regulations only applies to type approval of new vehicles for sale in the UK/Europe, so doesn't apply to used/privately owned vehicles. It also says that HID's are not even mentioned in the UK lighting regulations, so by definition they are not regulated. Until they are, they can't really tell you what you can and can't do with them.
The only part which does suggest you shouldn't use them is "In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs." However this again represents a view, rather than a law or legal precedent.
As for the MOT, it's not concerned with legality but with vehicle condition and safety, so does not consider things like the bulb design but looks only at the resultant function, i.e. beam pattern. Provided the beam pattern is okay and you have two of them mounted symmetrically, you could have nuclear reactors for light sources and you'd get a pass.
Intesting reply however most HID kits are marked for off highway use only to get around legal issues.
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Well managed to get the HIDs fitted today and I am over the moon with them. Its
like night and day between them and halogen :sick:. Cut off is perfect also, no flashes from drivers etc :wink:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/4b5f0a54.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/1ea356de.jpg)
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Hey Ken, will these be legal next year...?
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Nope as they aren't legal even this year.
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Sorry to bring up an old thread, and I don't want to start the whole 'legal' debate, but Kenny, how did you wire these up? I know you have the buy the bulb holders for them, can you take the housing out with all the connectors in and place it in the new holder or have you wired them up elsewhere? Want to get some fitted to my new Golf coming next week :) Also, any bulb errors?
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I have never had any bulb out errors mate with them, i went for the "Ultimate Kit" from HIDs4u.co.uk, they supply the bulb holder free of charge with that kit aswell, but put a reminder in the delivery notes as they forgot to include mine.
I powered them from outside the headlight unit, I know some people have removed their bumper and taken their headlights out to get into the connection but save the hassle and do it the way I done it, 1 hour max to do.
Let me know if you order them up and I will get some pics and a wee "how to" for ya.
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Kenny, that would be brilliant!
I've ordered the holders and already have the kit, if you want my email for the how to guide let me know, or post it on here for others :) thanks for your help mate :)
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Where are you Kenny? :p
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At work the now mate :sad: I am off tomorrow mate, so will do a wee how to. Basically you want to get the power from blue/yellow wire and brown wire from the plug that goes into the headlight unit. Cant remember which is +ve and neutral sorry. Then you want to snip the ends off the HIDs ( parts that are meant to connect into the bulb holders on normal cars) and connect them into the blue/yellow and brown wire. I used terminal blocks, done the trick. :wink:
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Sweet, cheers ma friend :D
I believe the blue/yellow wire is positive and brown neutral :)
I've bought some 20A snaplock connectors and self amalgamating tape to waterproof it all :)
The wonders of being management at Maplin hehe :P except the tape was like £9 for 10m :( won't even use it! I'll be doing a write up when I get round to it, probably a week on monday, did you have to take the bumper off matey?
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Kenny, just the a quick one, I've just got the bulb holders today and is it just those that hold the HID bulb, or do you need to retaining clip from the originals? :)
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They just hold the HID bulbs mate. Dont need anything from the originals, just keep a hold of them to swap them back in on selling day.
They can be a bit of a pain to push in a twist in, just use a little bit force and they go :wink: