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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Haribo! on 07 November 2010, 17:26
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Got a bit of a condensation problem that I had forgotten about from last winter.
Basically when its cold my windows are almost dripping in water from condensation when its been left overnight etc.
I need a towel to dry it up, rather annoying, I don't have wet carpets or anything like that, its just the windows, all of them just totally soaked when its cold.
Any idea what can do this? None of my other golfs have had this problem.
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Have you searched everywhere for wet spots, ive got a leak in my boot and that creates most of my windows to steam up.
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just cos your carpets done feel wet doesnt mean you havent got a water ingress problem,
the underlay / soundproofing can and does hold a LOT of water :sick:
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I haven't looked too far to be honest cause I don't really know where to start.
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Just put your hands under the carpet and you may find a damp patch, tell the forum on the location and they WILL know lol I just told them I had a leak in my boot and they said its probably your seal around your light cluster has gone.
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Is it possible you might have a split in a door seal that's letting moisture in and causing the condensation
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http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=70858.0
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+1 with the soundproofing. My carpets are dry doors etc but when i lifted the carpet to run some wires i found that the underlay was like a wet pair of pants
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Ut-oh... if the soundproofing is wet you could do with getting the carpets up and checking all four footwell sections. The soundproofing goes a long way up the firewall too - you really need to check it all and make sure everything is fully dry before you start replacing and just hope that your floorpans haven't started rotting.
I've found a good clue about whether you have water in the footwells is if you have rubber floor mats - if you look under these they should be bone dry, and if they're damp/wet underneath, you probably have water under your carpets.
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Ut-oh... if the soundproofing is wet you could do with getting the carpets up and checking all four footwell sections. The soundproofing goes a long way up the firewall too - you really need to check it all and make sure everything is fully dry before you start replacing and just hope that your floorpans haven't started rotting.
I've found a good clue about whether you have water in the footwells is if you have rubber floor mats - if you look under these they should be bone dry, and if they're damp/wet underneath, you probably have water under your carpets.
And that would cause my windows to be soaking wet right?
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Ut-oh... if the soundproofing is wet you could do with getting the carpets up and checking all four footwell sections. The soundproofing goes a long way up the firewall too - you really need to check it all and make sure everything is fully dry before you start replacing and just hope that your floorpans haven't started rotting.
I've found a good clue about whether you have water in the footwells is if you have rubber floor mats - if you look under these they should be bone dry, and if they're damp/wet underneath, you probably have water under your carpets.
And that would cause my windows to be soaking wet right?
Yep. Moisture in the car is condensating on the cold windows.
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ok so lets say thats the problem, how do I fix it?
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ok so lets say thats the problem, how do I fix it?
Check out Chuff's link on the previous page - there's a really good guide on the matey matey site. The first thing you need to do is find the leak(s). Didn't you fit some electric windows recently? If so, the door membrames would be a good place to start...
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yeh is that the plastic covering behind the cards?
Ive got those but theyre like, held on with black tape :p
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ok so lets say thats the problem, how do I fix it?
Take it all out and dry it!!
Then you MUST find the leak... Could be sunroof, window membrains, heater blower, bulk head, tailgate, tailgate lights etc etc etc.....
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heh, just found a puddle under my passenger seat, i guess its that then.
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On one of the Top Gear specials, they shot a hole through the floor. That soon drained the water out. :grin:
Seriously though, you need to find where it is coming in. On the passenger side it could be door seals, door membrane, sunroof drain pip come adrift, rust around the base of the windscreen causing the seal not to, err seal or though the bulkhead. Check to see if the scuttle drains are clear and water is not collecting by the wiper motor for the last one.
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From what ive heard so far it sounds like my passenger side rear door seal.
I also know that my roof leaks from above the drivers seat so I try and clean the drainage thingy up there out.
So I guess im gonna have to take the carpet up? does it leak from under it or is it just so I can dry it out?
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On one of the Top Gear specials, they shot a hole through the floor. That soon drained the water out. :grin:
Seriously though, you need to find where it is coming in. On the passenger side it could be door seals, door membrane, sunroof drain pip come adrift, rust around the base of the windscreen causing the seal not to, err seal or though the bulkhead. Check to see if the scuttle drains are clear and water is not collecting by the wiper motor for the last one.
It could also be coming in from the blower motor if the plastic cover in the skuttle has come loose or is broken or missing!! bulkhead covers could be another if one has come adrift!!
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From what ive heard so far it sounds like my passenger side rear door seal.
I also know that my roof leaks from above the drivers seat so I try and clean the drainage thingy up there out.
So I guess im gonna have to take the carpet up? does it leak from under it or is it just so I can dry it out?
Have you done your heater matrix - Recently??
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Have you done your heater matrix - Recently??
Stick your finger in the puddle and taste it. If it is really sweet it will be coolant and could well be matrix related.
When I say taste it, I mean put a tiny bit on the end of your tongue. Sucking the puddle through a straw and drinking the lot could result in you being killed a bit.
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Imagine, man killed drinking coolant through a McDonalds straw after taking advice from forum :grin:
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i have the same problem, im gona go and look for damp spots too, if im lucky i will get a taste of that coolant ;)
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From what ive heard so far it sounds like my passenger side rear door seal.
I also know that my roof leaks from above the drivers seat so I try and clean the drainage thingy up there out.
So I guess im gonna have to take the carpet up? does it leak from under it or is it just so I can dry it out?
If it's under the passenger seat, then yeah, it's *probably* the rear passenger door card.
The first thing you need to do is fix the membrame and stop the leak or any drying efforts will be wasted. Search the forums for tips on how to do this, as there are quite a few opinions and techniques.
The water will come down through the door, and possibly soak the doorcard, before dripping off the bottom of the doorcard onto the door seal and inner sill cover. It will then run down the sill and UNDER the carpet, pooling in the floorpan. The rear floorpans don't have those sand filled things so it will soak straight into the underlay. Depending on how long it has been leaking, the underlay may be rotten and need replacing - it will almost definitely need drying out. It will probably help if you take out the passenger seat. As long as the damp is only in that footwell, you may not need to pull the carpets out completely, but you will need to pull up the side you are working on to get the underlay and inspect the floorpan for rust.
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From what ive heard so far it sounds like my passenger side rear door seal.
I also know that my roof leaks from above the drivers seat so I try and clean the drainage thingy up there out.
So I guess im gonna have to take the carpet up? does it leak from under it or is it just so I can dry it out?
If it's under the passenger seat, then yeah, it's *probably* the rear passenger door card.
The first thing you need to do is fix the membrame and stop the leak or any drying efforts will be wasted. Search the forums for tips on how to do this, as there are quite a few opinions and techniques.
The water will come down through the door, and possibly soak the doorcard, before dripping off the bottom of the doorcard onto the door seal and inner sill cover. It will then run down the sill and UNDER the carpet, pooling in the floorpan. The rear floorpans don't have those sand filled things so it will soak straight into the underlay. Depending on how long it has been leaking, the underlay may be rotten and need replacing - it will almost definitely need drying out. It will probably help if you take out the passenger seat. As long as the damp is only in that footwell, you may not need to pull the carpets out completely, but you will need to pull up the side you are working on to get the underlay and inspect the floorpan for rust.
I had a look last night and it doesnt seem like the door card has been wet at all but it is leather so I guess I wouldnt be obvious cause it would dry quickly, maybe there will be tell tale signs behind it. I will have a look a soon as theres a free dry day.... which could be a while :p
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dam, ok so its wet in my passenger foot well too, so wet there and a puddle at the back, liquid looks greeny and was abit sweet, grrr, how hard is it to change the heater matrix?
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Does the heater work before you look at changing it???
Check out the Mech info section - For Matrix Help!!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=68989.0
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dam, ok so its wet in my passenger foot well too, so wet there and a puddle at the back, liquid looks greeny and was abit sweet, grrr, how hard is it to change the heater matrix?
Not too difficult, use the guide, but...
-take your time - give yourself a weekend if you can as you need to dry the car out too
-get the higher spec matrix from GSF (I have a spare one BNIB I can post if you have no GSF nearby)
-don't whatever you do disconnect the heater cables
-replace the bypass valves with straight-through pipes while you're at it
-try and do it in the dry if you can, this is not something you want to be doing in the cold, wind and driving rain
Ideally it's a summer time job to do before winter sets in, but of course these things only become apparent in colder weather
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well my heater works fine and my coolant level hasnt dropped at all.... so maybe it isnt the matrix?
I will investigate the door first and get the carpet out for drying.
meh.. :(
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well my heater works fine and my coolant level hasnt dropped at all.... so maybe it isnt the matrix?
I will investigate the door first and get the carpet out for drying.
meh.. :(
Might be left over from when it last went....
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well my heater works fine and my coolant level hasnt dropped at all.... so maybe it isnt the matrix?
I will investigate the door first and get the carpet out for drying.
meh.. :(
Might be left over from when it last went....
So does it go and then stop? ive had the car a year and havent ever touched the heater matrix
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How long have you had the water problem... I seem to remember you on about it before?
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How long have you had the water problem... I seem to remember you on about it before?
Just recently, I havent had a leak like that before, My roof leaks abit in heavy rain but thats over the drivers seat and isnt ever very much. whereas the leak I have at the moment has a puddle in my rear passenger side foot well and the front passenger foot well is very wet also.
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I think you would know if the matrix had blown... My lads did it on the way home from work 14 miles and I knew straight away as we could not get anything other than luke warm air through the blowers!!
So if yours has HOT air coming out I doubt it has blown... Back to the search!!
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I think you would know if the matrix had blown... My lads did it on the way home from work 14 miles and I knew straight away as we could not get anything other than luke warm air through the blowers!!
So if yours has HOT air coming out I doubt it has blown... Back to the search!!
Ah thats a relief, my blowers are stupidly hot still.
I guess its more likely the doors then, will have to patch them up and see if that resolves it, and il get round to taking a coat hanger to my sun roof too :D
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I use BMX brake cable its just the right size and no sharp edges to rip drain outflow pipes :wink:
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do you park your car with the passenger side lower than the drivers (ie on a kerb)
i found mine soaked a bit ago and water was going into the channel across the scuttle panel that has 2 drain holes for the water to run down the sides of the wings and mine was dripping straight down the vent for the blower motor due to being sat lower at the passengers side
i also have a small leak in the bottom of my screen on the passengers side i found this by putting my hand up the back of the heater motor housing to find the underlay soaking wet
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before I take any action, to clear up.
Probably not the heater matrix cause the puddle is in the rear of the car and is only slightly damp in the front, plus my heaters work fine and my coolant level hasnt dropped.
I know its not my roof.
So probably my door? I cant imagine how that much water is getting in through there but from what I gather its the most likely problem.
Any other tell tale signs before I but a heap of stuff and dedicate time? :p
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Tailgate, rear lights etc depends on how and where you park it - process of elimination....
Get a mate to help with a hosepipe or watering can!!
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Even if there is a seal in the door it can and will still leak. You need 2 seals but put one so it goes into the bottom of the door.
Sit in the car with door card off and pour water outside down the window,you ll see it come in or feel the seal getting wet.
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Tailgate, rear lights etc depends on how and where you park it - process of elimination....
Get a mate to help with a hosepipe or watering can!!
How would the tail gate or lights make this sort of leak? the water would have a long ass way to travel to get to where it is...?
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Read the second part of the reply - DEPENDS on where and how ypu park it!!
Also depends on how big the leak is etc etc etc...
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I got this bird to sit in the back to check for leaks, it didn't help windows still got steamy :laugh:
Have you checked the inner door and see if there is any water at the bottom?
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I have this problem baaadd, I bought the car when the weather wasn't so bad so it was concealed but now we have bad weather it is terrible. The thing is I get soaked windows everywhere...rear windows, windscreen, front, & boot lid glass! so I am guessing I must have quite a major leak somewhere. I'm going to start with the doorcards because I guess it's easiest
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Read the second part of the reply - DEPENDS on where and how ypu park it!!
Also depends on how big the leak is etc etc etc...
I did read it ya cheeky bugger :p
I still dont follow, surely it could only make it from the boot to all the way over there if I parked on a hill, and then it would be damp on the way there and my boot would be wet? My boot is dry, its only wet in the foot wells :p
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I have this problem baaadd, I bought the car when the weather wasn't so bad so it was concealed but now we have bad weather it is terrible. The thing is I get soaked windows everywhere...rear windows, windscreen, front, & boot lid glass! so I am guessing I must have quite a major leak somewhere. I'm going to start with the doorcards because I guess it's easiest
My windows are just like that
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Not always... My old one was parked on the drive (flat) and the passenger rear foot well was soaking... From the rear light cluster leaking and a pin head sized hole on the rear rubber around the tailgate flange....
Water is a tw4t to sort out just cos its in that place don't mean that's where its coming from - ask any plumber... It finds its way to the lowest point..
If you're 100% sure its not coming from their then its one you can cross of your list!!!
Process of elimination - again as I quoted before!!
Read the second part of the reply - DEPENDS on where and how ypu park it!!
Also depends on how big the leak is etc etc etc...
I did read it ya cheeky bugger :p
I still dont follow, surely it could only make it from the boot to all the way over there if I parked on a hill, and then it would be damp on the way there and my boot would be wet? My boot is dry, its only wet in the foot wells :p
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hi there ,had wet mats on my 1989 mk2 and found it was coming in through the rear light as it had a duff seal :sad: also is your scuttle in good condition ? mine was cracked which let water find its way to the blower and yes you guessed it needed to be resealed too :sad:
but now its watertight and nice and dry :smug:
as has been said previously water will always a gap just dont give up
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Sorry to hijack mate, may help you though, Where do I put the silicone on the rea lights? Do I take them out then line it around the edge and put them back on, or can it be done with them in, pretty sure Both mine have gone. It looks like its been raining in my car now lol!
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Sorry to hijack mate, may help you though, Where do I put the silicone on the rea lights? Do I take them out then line it around the edge and put them back on, or can it be done with them in, pretty sure Both mine have gone. It looks like its been raining in my car now lol!
If you take out the rear light cluster all you do is silicone anywhere there is a lip the clusters fit through the body and you can smear a tad on the bolt lugs aswell silicone is not strong enough to perminatly stick to the threads anyway, but the gasket sometimes warps and dirt gets trapped between gasket and the body i.e full of sh!t to let water drain down.
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just took my carpets up, the entire passenger side was soaked thru under it, all the deadening absalutely drenched, Ive removed it all and dryed it up, I dont plan on replaceing the deadening as I drove it work without the carpet back on and it doesnt sound much different, probably just lay some old car mats under the carpet for abit of insulation and hope for the best, snapped my bloody kick panel tho, grrr :p
Fingers crossed this will be the end of it, ive places bits of kitched towel around other possible areas for water to get in so il wait for rain and see if they remain dry or get wet. then il know where lek is coming from if I havent fixed it already by clearing out under the scuttle cover (which is what I beleive it to be anyway)
Meh, more time driving around with my car in bits...