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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Golf mk2 gallery => Topic started by: DreXeL on 07 November 2010, 00:21
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Latest pics of my Mk2 8v, now on R1 carbs:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/cage1.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/cage3.jpg)
Yes, it's a 'show' cage. I know I know, but I like the way it looks :embarassed:
I then decided to play with bike carbs, but rather than bolt them up to my original engine I sourced a 2E to play with. Semi-stripped it down and cleaned it up:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/Golf%20Engine/headoff1.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/Golf%20Engine/headoff2.jpg)
Got hold of a crossflow head and a set of R1 carbs:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/Golf%20Engine/Head.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/Golf%20Engine/Carbs.jpg)
R1 Fuel pump, Newman 272 camshaft and a couple of other bits and pieces:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/DSCF0003Medium.jpg)
Did necessary mods to the head and installed it along with the camshaft:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0159Medium.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0169Medium.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0173Medium.jpg)
Painted the 2E rocker cover up and fabricated a quick'n'dirty inlet manifold in work (not pretty, but will do for now):
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/paintedcover2.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/1-4.jpg)
Fitted rocker cover and test fitted the carbs:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/paintedcover3.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0176Medium.jpg)
Finally got round to removing the old engine:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/Frontremoved.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0331Small.jpg)
Installed new engine:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0333Small.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0336Small.jpg)
As it is now:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0349Medium.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0352Medium.jpg)
After a few initial issues (see my thread in the Garage) the car is now running very nicely indeed. Still need to get it set up properly on a R/R, but it's running amazingly well considering all I've done to the carbs is fit 165 jets and slapped 'em on :grin:
Next thing to do is to get a decent exhaust manifold then get it on the R/R and set up :cool:
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Nice work. :afro:
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I love dubs on carbs. Nice bit of kit
Good work
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wow, good stuff, although you make it sounds so easy :laugh:
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If I put some scaffolding in the back of my car and fit illegal numberplates to it, will that topic get stickied too? :grin:
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Any need for that? :/
I have no idea why it was stickied, in fact I didn't even put it in this section in the first place. When I noticed it was sticky I assumed it was just appearing as sticky for me as the original author.
Anyway, I expected the cage and plates to be controversial. I like them though, anyone who knows me from other forums knows that my cars always have at least one or two 'dubious' features ;)
Do I give a **** about negative comments? No. At the risk of using a done to death old cliche: I like the plates and cage, and that's what matters :)
BTW if a mod could un-sticky this thread I'd appreciate it :)
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I would imagine it was stickied because you took the time to detail how you put bike carbs onto the engine, the rest of the car looks very nice as well.
Out of interest what does the car perform like running the bike carbs? Did the engine go into the MK2 without any major surgery or is it still a fairly involved job compared to a VR6 conversion.
Keep up the good work.
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Nice job on the engine, be good to see figure when you get it rolling roaded. Good work! :smiley:
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At the risk of using a done to death old cliche: I like the plates and cage, and that's what matters
I'm sure you'll like the plates when you're sitting at the side of the road figuring out how to get home after getting a prohibition notice so you can't drive your car any further.
Likewise I'm sure you'll like the scaffolding in the car if you have a crash and smash your brains out on the metal tubing inside your car....
£10 says it was stickied by accident - there are far more interesting cars on here. :grin:
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Looks cool mate :cool:
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I would imagine it was stickied because you took the time to detail how you put bike carbs onto the engine, the rest of the car looks very nice as well.
Out of interest what does the car perform like running the bike carbs? Did the engine go into the MK2 without any major surgery or is it still a fairly involved job compared to a VR6 conversion.
Keep up the good work.
Drives very nice so far and I can already feel the difference over the stock 8v, but I haven't really pushed it yet as I want to wait until I've checked the fuelling on a dyno. Being based on a 2E bottom end the engine itslef dropped straight in :)
At the risk of using a done to death old cliche: I like the plates and cage, and that's what matters
I'm sure you'll like the plates when you're sitting at the side of the road figuring out how to get home after getting a prohibition notice so you can't drive your car any further.
Likewise I'm sure you'll like the scaffolding in the car if you have a crash and smash your brains out on the metal tubing inside your car....
£10 says it was stickied by accident - there are far more interesting cars on here. :grin:
Yeah yeah, I've read all the horror stories about how dangerous a show cage can be, but funnily enough I have yet to see evidence of these horror stories.... Anyway either way it's a 'risk' I'm happy to take. Jesus, the Mk2 is hardly a paragon of safety anyway is it ;)
As for the plates, I'm well aware of the legality and ramifications of them. I've yet to be bothered by the plod though, they don't seem to notice/care. Again it's a considered 'risk'.
I agree with your point about the thread being stickied, but I'm sorry you don't find my car interesting, I thought fellow Mk2 enthusiasts might find the engine a bit interesting as it's not the tradional KR or VR6 swap. I fancied doing somthing a little different and thought people might like to see it. Not intesrested? You know where the back button is :)
Out of interest Diamond Hell, are you as much of a self-righteous dick IRL as you come across on here?
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We are interested, so post away.
am i right in saying that you use the bottom of the block from an ABF and the head from a KR 8v with the bike carbs bolted on??
and yes DH bites at most things including my TV's :grin:
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DH is a over opinionated hill billy, but unfortunatly he can do no wrong on this site with certain members/moderators
the car is sweet, keep the pics coming. love the black plates too, wanted them on mine but a bit too risky for me where i live
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The bottom end/block is a 2.0 2E (early mk3 8v), the head is a crossflow from a mk4 2.0 8v (I forget the code). The head needs a couple of mods to fit (two of the head-bolt holes need opening up and one of the oil feeds needs filling/reshaping), but other than that it bolts straight on to the 2E bottom end.
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any idea of what power its putting out ?
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Hard to say before I put it on the dyno, I guess ~160ish, but that could be way off the mark. My ****ty home-made inlet manifold won't be helping either :D
I wasn't going for ultimate power though, I've just built the engine up bit by bit over the past year as something to play with, like I say its something a little different and sounds great too :)
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Bet it sounds awesome. Liking this car. :cool:
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Excellent work, something different. :afro:
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Like :afro:
Get a video clip of it running :cool:
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loving it mate! agree on the clip, need to hear this...
oh and martz, get a smaller sig :D bad man ;)
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excellent stuff, im planning on the 2e route myself except retaining my pb head and chucking bigger injectors and cams and what not into the mix.
i like the look of the cage so i dont blame you for it, i just have an ocd with practicality, and a show cage does nothing but weight the car down and ive gone as far as to strip my ENTIRE interior to the point that im now making my own dash, so if i had a cage it wud be one that served a purpous.
the plate are neither here nor there, they set the car off from the rest, u like them, i like them, probably hundreds of other people like them, old bill give u slap on the wrists every now and then, worst comes to worst u keep a legal set in the boot for when they really try and do you for it.
suprised to see such negative comments from a forum regular, at least be nice about and give usefull advice Diomond hell, rather than being an out right c*** about it.
sweet job mate, simple and impressive
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popcorn anyone?
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Like I said before, I don't have a problem with negative comments, a show cage is always going to generate differences of opinion, but it's the attitude DH has that grates on me (as a lurker on these forums I'm not just referring to this thread). It's a shame about the attitude problem because other than that DH seems a knowledgable bloke. But hey ho, every forum has 'em :)
Back to the car, I do have a soundclip from when I first started it but it was taken on my phone so the sound doesn't come across very well. I have a new exhaust manifold on the way so when I've fitted that I'll take some vids on my camera which has better audio :)
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My friend currently runs R1 carbs on his 9A engine in his rocco. Runs a touch more power than standard. Sounds f**king immense! You've done well bud, engine looks very clean and the bay is looking sweet.
My vote is around 120bhp but with a load more torque!
Massive lol at DH. Check out the first load of pages in my thread :D
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I have a Newman 272 camshaft and (soon) a 4-branch manifold too, so whilst 160bhp might be optimistic, hopefully will be a bit more than 120bhp ;)
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sounds brill mate!
looks the nuts, didnt even notice the cage tbh :D
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so whilst 160bhp might be optimistic, hopefully will be a bit more than 120bhp ;)
Optimistic? It's pure fantasy!
135bhp on Interpro's rollers is my estimate.
You might have a sharp-as-a-razor throttle response but I'd wager the gain's not all that.
As for the scaffolding - brain damaged people tend not to post on forums. :grin:
the plate are neither here nor there, they set the car off from the rest, u like them, i like them, probably hundreds of other people like them, old bill give u slap on the wrists every now and then, worst comes to worst u keep a legal set in the boot for when they really try and do you for it.
No, you're ignorant. You won't get a slap on the wrists if they want to pull you up for them, you'll get a prohibition notice. This means you can't continue on your way after pulling out your legal plates from the boot. Your car will be prohibited from use on the public road until you take it to an MOT station and get it signed off as being legal. The plates in the boot argument is stupid and useless.
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nice work on the engine front :afro: does it run abit lumpy?
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and the last thing ya want is a section 57? i think? basically the car asbo, but hey if you wanna risk then fine ;)
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nice work on the engine front :afro: does it run abit lumpy?
Actually amazingly smooth considering the cam and the fact that the carbs have had no setting up other than the change of jets, I was pleasantly surprised at how smooth and tractable it is. I have the idle set to around 900 rpm, and it idles sweet as a nut :)
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Section 59 haha and I rekon bout 130. But a sharp line for torque
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lol DH amuses me. any way. ive ran illegal plates, i know plenty of people that have and do, infact recently my house mate got pulled for pressed plates on his mk2 1.8t, for some odd reason they threatened him with having his car re-registerd as a 'q' plate, i cant see that as appropriate, any how, i dont wish to continue an arguement about plates and cages on this poor guys thread.
who gives a crap what it puts out, its gonna sound the bomb, but if i had to vote id say 130 - 135, nice boost in torque and unfortuantly a massive increase in fuel consumption, but ultimately big smiles when ure foots planted to the floor.
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infact recently my house mate got pulled for pressed plates on his mk2 1.8t, for some odd reason they threatened him with having his car re-registerd as a 'q' plate, i cant see that as appropriate, any how,
Appropriate or not it is now the law I was told the same after being fined twice, 3 strikes and they can do it if they wish.
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Appropriate or not it is now the law I was told the same after being fined twice, 3 strikes and they can do it if they wish.
(http://www.speedstickers.co.uk/ekmps/shops/mickcattelluk/images/sorry-it-s-the-law-sticker-80-p.jpg)
Not appropriate FFS - since when has a moron like you been able to decide what's 'appropriate'?
It's a punishment - devalues your car and is inconvenient. Strikes me as entirely appropriate.
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Appropriate or not it is now the law I was told the same after being fined twice, 3 strikes and they can do it if they wish.
Not appropriate FFS - since when has a moron like you been able to decide what's 'appropriate'?
It's a punishment - devalues your car and is inconvenient. Strikes me as entirely appropriate.
Why call me a moron :huh:
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Dh what is with your attitude to everyone. Ur obv intitled to your oppinion but if he wants his car like that, its his car, can't go round having everyones cars how you want them.
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DH i can agree that you dont like all the cars that are on here and by the look of it you dont like this one or you just get a kick out of winding other people up, what i tend to do (and i am sure i can say this is the same for others) is if i dont really like a car on this forum then i dont post anything :smiley: We are all not denying that you are wrong about the law, we know you are rite but some people like living life on the edge and let them. Basically like my mum use to say "if you dont have anything nice to say, then ***k off" :laugh: :laugh:
Anyway Drexel, love the car think you have done a good job and it looks sweet, will be very intresting to see what it will do on the rolling road, argree with lemski on this i would be looking toward the 130-140bhp but you will be running crazy torque, i have a mate with a blue print racing 8v engine and he isnt running much bhp (think it is 130ish) but the torque is off the scale, thats what you should be happy for. :smiley:
What is it like on fuel?
Keep up the good work :grin:
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Why call me a moron
I didn't, re-read it instead of being a poor wounded soldier.
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OK, we've established that I'm a child killer for having illegal plates, and in any accident my brains are going to be neatly distributed around my 80's Bavarian interior. Can we let it go now please :rolleyes:
Anyway........
Clearly I was optimistic with my BHP guestimate, but like I said I wasn't going for ultimate power. 130-140bhp with plenty of torque is fine by me, and the noise is incredible :D
Fuel consumption doesn't seem that bad TBH, I haven't really driven it hard yet on the carbs though as I've still to get it on the dyno, and it's been off the road for the last week as I needed to sort a couple of things for the MOT. Whilst sorting the stuff for the MOT I also bought these:
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0355Medium.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/IMG_0353Medium.jpg)
No point in posting pics after fitting the coilovers as I've set them to the same height as the lowering springs that were already on the car. The reason for the coilovers was because the car felt massively under-damped with the stock shocks, this was especially noticeable on track Combe. The car handled nicely (I have fitted a Whiteline rear ARB so it's a little tail happy on the edge, just how I like it), but also felt a little wollowy. Hopefully these coilovers will help that, I know that Hot-Tuning coilovers (Mine are branded Tuning-ART) are not the last word in high performance/quality, but they should be much better than slammed springs on well-worn standard shocks (cue DH ripping into me about fitting shiny ebay crap to my car :grin: ).
I've still yet to install the manifold, will be doing that over the next few days.
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Haha - you've fitted shiny ebay tat to your car now, to go with the scaffold inside it. :grin:
Make sure you put a flexi joint on that 4-branch, or it'll fracture pretty quick.
Crack on and get it on the rollers and let's see the 'torque off the scale' then.
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Haha - you've fitted shiny ebay tat to your car now, to go with the scaffold inside it. :grin:
Make sure you put a flexi joint on that 4-branch, or it'll fracture pretty quick.
Crack on and get it on the rollers and let's see the 'torque off the scale' then.
and/or solid front mount if you havent got on already
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My 4 branch hasn't got a flexi and that's been on the car since 1996 still hasn't fractured.
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My 4 branch hasn't got a flexi and that's been on the car since 1996 still hasn't fractured.
stainless ones can crack
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Yep, will be fitting a flexi-joint. Will look into a solid front mount too.
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Did you fit your coilies as shown in the box, cos the springs are the wrong way around, the helper spring should be at the top or at least they are on my spax. Other than that, schweeeet looking engine bay man and i bet it sounds immense! :evil:
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Did you fit your coilies as shown in the box, cos the springs are the wrong way around, the helper spring should be at the top or at least they are on my spax. Other than that, schweeeet looking engine bay man and i bet it sounds immense! :evil:
Helper springs should be at the bottom.
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Did you fit your coilies as shown in the box, cos the springs are the wrong way around, the helper spring should be at the top or at least they are on my spax. Other than that, schweeeet looking engine bay man and i bet it sounds immense! :evil:
Helper springs should be at the bottom.
Reason? On my super cool racelands, my spax, my mates kw's and my other mates spax the helper was at the top.
Just had a look about online and it seems that the big hitters are saying run helpers at the bottom on the front and helpers at the top on rears but cant give any reason for this?
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They came assembled with the helpers on the bottom so that's how I installed them.
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I'm not sayin they can't just mine hasn't yet on my 16 valve
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Mine came assembled with the helper springs at the bottom :)
Coming along nice bud. I think your are being optimistic with your bhp, but there is nothing wrong with that!
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weitec hicon GTN's and GT's have them assembled on top :afro:
drives good :cool:
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OK, bit of an update. I finally got my finger out and fitted the new exhaust manifold and coilovers (sorry again for the crap pics):
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/DSCF0067Medium.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/DSCF0066Medium.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/168647_10150401836870010_585640009_16849894_371417_n.jpg)
(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/DreXeLUK/167873_10150401837500010_585640009_16849902_3263918_n.jpg)
I also had a new exhaust centre section fitted (custom stainless jobbie) to replace my crappy bodged centre resonator box. There are now two 'boxes' in the exhaust rather than three, it sounds nice and deep without being too loud, in fact under throttle you can barely hear the exhaust over the intake noise of the carbs.
Here's a video, first couple of minutes is just bimbling about to give you an idea of how it sounds during general driving, skip to around 2:10 to hear what it sounds like when giving it some beans :D :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulaY5Wi4Pok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulaY5Wi4Pok)
It pulls lovely and cleanly through the gears, and the throttle response is awesome :cool:
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Sounds fecking awsome and very clean too! :afro: Looks like it goes well and I don't think you were really pushing it either.
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Sounds awesome :afro: