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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Dizzie on 30 January 2005, 19:44
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This is my first hand experience with Designa Dubs. Although this has happened the car is now running right after I had a fiddle myself.
I had my mk2 converted by designa dubs last year over a 6 month period. I paid them their deposit back in feb and waited to hear from them when they'd found me an engine. that was 3 months wait. then I finally dropped the car off to them in may. I was told it would be 2 weeks to get the conversion done. I also wanted my engine bay sprayed as it was white and my car is bluey green so supplied the paint to do this. After lots of phone calls and emails my dad gave me a lift down there to collect it. Here's a list of the problems with it after they'd had it for 6 weeks.
-Trackrod end loose - paid to have fixed when Kwik fit did the tracking.
-Intercooler practically thrown in
-Starter motor/engine mount bolt missing
-lock nut on the clutch cable missing
-no grommet on the boost gauge pipe.
-Barewires around the ECU
-Bad locating of wires leading to ECU
-Top hose is resting on the edge of the radiator cowl
-offside antiroll bar not fitted correctly - half out on 1 side.
-long travel on the brakes. almost to the floor. no more judder after Tracking's done. Twisted hose on front brakes.
-unknown loud clonk/bang - mainly when braking
-munchy gears. 1st/reverse are impossible to engage sometimes. 3rd is notchy to get in. should be smooth.
-Loose wires everywhere
-Kinked pipes near dump valve
-Rubbing Jubilee clips
-PAS leaking fluid - off pump
-Water leak - near cam belt
-PAS reservoir amateurish
-Radiator loose
-Lower panel missing. The wings loose because of it. Please put this back on.
-Starting problems - acts like flat battery. Then starts.
-leaking brake reservoir
-strut covers missing
-ECU not secure.
-Main lead to starter motor loose
-wires loose and dangerous under the scuttle panel. could be caught by the wipers
-no oil light on gauges
-no oil temp on MFA - rest works apart from MPG obv.
plus after I said I wanted a TT engine they installed a AGU engine and changed the turbo, etc to make it the same. I specifically said I wanted a TT engine on day 1.
I originally asked for TT clocks to be installed to match the engine. DD said they didn't have them, but had mk4 ones. I said put them in then. they then went on about bits not working on them. I said well if they couldn't put mk4 ones in then put mk3 ones in as I have a mk3 dash in my mk2. when I got there there were my original mk2 clocks still in there. I was told if I wanted mk3 ones I'd have to pay extra even though I was told I could have whatever clocks I wanted by matt when I dropped it off for the first time.
After we discovered all this I cancelled the remainder of the balance as this was paid with a cheque and left them a msg on their answer machine and waited for a phone call... Between myself and my parents we agreed their work was pooe and they would collect the car and leave my a car to use while they were fixing mine and then return the car as well as source a TT engine and install it at no extra cost. This was completed. The TT engine was installed better than before, but still there was little things I tidied up myself after running out of patience with designa dubs. I have since corrected many more of the problems on the engine and wouldn't touch them again with a barge pole!
Here are the pics:
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1486.JPG - pooe locating
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1487.JPG - bare wire on plug by ecu
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1488.JPG - leaking from here (water)
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1489.JPG - split boot, dd installed PAS for me
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1490.JPG - complete mess of kinks
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1491.JPG - not tied down
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1492.JPG - very close to wiper arm
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1493.JPG - LOL
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1494.JPG - more mess. scrapyard quality parts used.
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1495.JPG - my rad cowl wasn't rusty before
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1496.JPG - bit of a squeeze there
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1497.JPG - nice bracket
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1498.JPG - rad wasn't bolted in
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1499.JPG - neither was intercooler. moved about 2 inches up and down.
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1500.JPG - clutch could of undone anytime
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1501.JPG - hose would of cut in time.
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1502.JPG - rubbing on the nice paint job!
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1503.JPG - squeeze again
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/IMG_1504.JPG - and again.
Here are some videos I took showing how much of a bodge it was:
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/filter.avi (288k) - shouldn't this be bolted down?
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/rad.avi (240k) - wiggly rad
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/intercooler.avi (590k) - loose intercooler
http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/engine/starting.avi (352k) - starting problems. not the worst it was.
feel free to email me Dizzie@tripwyre.co.uk or MSN with the same address.
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I can not believe the poor workmanship you have encountered mate, totally unacceptable.
Paul
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Hello Gareth.
Some of that is actually quite dangerous, you should of reported them to trading standards.
If you still have evidence, then you may still be able to do so.
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I think the photo's are pretty good evidence.
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Ouch , im a mechanic myself and looking at it with a bit of thought and time spent most thos problems could have been avoided, Specially the jubilee clip rubbing on the body , thats just lazy ,i know your based in cardiff , im just down the road in swansea so its good who i know to avoid n who not to
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dizzie i feel sorry for u, hard cash gone on ur car n they do a sh!t job. i was gona ask for a quote on a conversion time back it took them 2 reply 2 months lol. so u could see why i was put off it n kept the same engine in mine lol
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I couldn't really give a sh!t about anything to do with them now. They fixed their work in a fashion and what was left I did myself. I wasn't going to waste anymore time or money with them. You've seen the latest pics of my engine so you can see I've sorted their mess out. There's just a couple more things I'd like to swap over or fixed and it'll be fine. cheers for your support guys.
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They do need reporting tho, as some of the things they bodged was dangerous.
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thats awefull! how come you've only just mentioned this on here? if that was my car i'd be screaming it from the roof how sh!te they've done it!!!
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there was a 6 month warrenty I might of had to make use of if I didn't know my stuff. It snapped an engine mount not so long ago, but other than that it's been ok.
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Just how much did they charge u, if you don't mind me asking. :lipsrsealed:
Normally if it's alot of money you're spending with someone they have a tendancy to do a good job as they are making alot of profit.
Shame they did a crap job, but this is probably the best way of speading the word about them :evil:
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the conversion cost ?4000
then there were some parts changed due to wear and tear which brought the total up to ?4200 i think. They did install PAS and my new springs on the front.
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thats shockin mate, u did get it done cheep but u dont want a cheep job,
n as 4 not gettin what u wanted in thre 1st place, takes the p1ss
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It is a good price for what you got :smiley:
But for that sort of money you don't expect a co@k up. They should be looking to cars like yours to use as advertising for themselves to get more work.
Not helped themselves :shocked:
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I had major problems with dubmiester in the summer and in the end retracted most of my credit card transactions making THEM contact ME.....
if they havent got their money suddenly they are concerned...
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the thing is you said you paid ?4200 all in no matter how much or what you spend or anything like that , you hand money over to someone you trust and it comes back worse than when you started its not a good advert. they are meant to be servicing an enthusiast , if you shellin out that much for ?800 more you could have a brand new Ford ka , but us here dont want just " a Car " we want a reflection of us
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I knew you have a few problems Dizzie - but not this many !!!
I saw their stand at Inters last year and thought about using them for a G60 conversion, but after ready this they can go swing !!
Might be worth emailing them this thread and showing them just how much damage they've done to their reputation - with the ammount of hits this site gets a day news will travel fast; good job for making them sort it though :cool:
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dayum thats shoddy... :(
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wow Dizzie I am shocked, sh!t what sh!t. :undecided:
I will be sure to mention this next time someone suggests using them, they can't blame anyone for giving them a bad name apart from themselfs. :angry:
As I have said before if doing a engine conversion, look at using Jodie at Midland VW :smiley:
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Dizzie, that's a shocker :shocked: Regardless of how much you paid and even if it was cheaper than you would expect, at the end of the day you told them what you wanted and they said it would be the price they quoted you so they should do a professional job to the best of their abilities (which doesn't seem too great). They have done so much harm to their reputation that they probably don't realise just how much. Hope it all gets sorted out matey.
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Richgit on the Club GTI forum was saying that he had problems with his 20 vt converstion by DD, the thread got deleted and everyone was warned not to slag them off as DD had made a compaint to Club GTI :huh:
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But wasn't he running silly boost levels on the track and popped his head gasket ? Looks like the only changes Dizzie has made since the conversion were to ensure the engine didn't drop out :grin:
I have been impressed by some of DD's conversions, but then looking at this one just spoils my whole opinion, shame really.
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But wasn't he running silly boost levels on the track and popped his head gasket ? Looks like the only changes Dizzie has made since the conversion were to ensure the engine didn't drop out :grin:
I have been impressed by some of DD's conversions, but then looking at this one just spoils my whole opinion, shame really.
People were talking about it for ages on there, some people reckoned that radiator was too small. I didn't get envolved as I know nothing about 20vt engine conversations or DD's workman ship :undecided:
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well this just shows DD workman ship, and would you use them?
Dizzie Gary has jsut sat here and gone through all your photot's he is shocked, he says so much so he doesn't know what to say!
A few comments from Gary he was laughing (cause couldn't beleive it was so bad) ?no wonder he coulnd't get it in gear with a clutch like that!
And as for the clip and ali lol what a bodge!
Clips next to each other different way around, if that was a normal person you would line them up and have them te same direction, everything they have done just looks a mess.
If DD complain to JV about this tread so be it, but no one is slagging them off, this is someone warning there friends about what could happen if you have a conversion done by them, and this is great cause it shows all the evedence with it!
In the past we have all seen neat conversions done by DD but I guess they have got like the rest and just do rush stuff andlike teh ?? signs!
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For future reference here are some tips when having work done at any garage, specialist or otherwise :
For complicated things like engine/dash swaps - get the planned programme of work, materials to be used, specification of parts etc. agreed IN WRITING before handing the car over. Otherwise it's your word against theirs. Verbal contracts may be legal but they are bloody hard work to prove in court.
If you think work has been done that puts your car in an UNROADWORTHY condition (which is a pretty small definition legally - mainly steering, tyres and brakes) report it to your local trading standards department and do not rectify the faults until they have seen the vehicle - photographs are not sufficient evidence. The same applies if you have bought a car (trade only) which has been misdescribed - don't fix anything before reporting it.
If you feel work has not been done to an acceptable standard, you have statutory rights under the Sale of Goods and Services Act but again, DO NOT FIX THINGS - you should give the trader opportunity to put things right first.
Any kind of complaint is almost always better done in writing - keep a copy of letters.
If any of you ever need any help on how to complain effectively - give me a shout, it's my job.
Hattie
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If any of you ever need any help on how to complain effectively - give me a shout, it's my job.
It's every woman's perogative job :cool:
*topher makes a sharp exit*
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Bad Topher! You know perfectly well it really is my job!
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well this just shows DD workman ship, and would you use them?
Dizzie Gary has jsut sat here and gone through all your photot's he is shocked, he says so much so he doesn't know what to say!
A few comments from Gary he was laughing (cause couldn't beleive it was so bad) ?no wonder he coulnd't get it in gear with a clutch like that!
And as for the clip and ali lol what a bodge!
Clips next to each other different way around, if that was a normal person you would line them up and have them te same direction, everything they have done just looks a mess.
If DD complain to JV about this tread so be it, but no one is slagging them off, this is someone warning there friends about what could happen if you have a conversion done by them, and this is great cause it shows all the evedence with it!
In the past we have all seen neat conversions done by DD but I guess they have got like the rest and just do rush stuff andlike teh ?? signs!
I just had a really good look through those pics and I see what you mean :shocked: :angry:
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Rich's car overheated and blew the gasket. he wasn't running anymore boost than the most turned of the current 20v's.
Claire, I still have problems getting it into gear. I'm going to adjust the clutch a bit and see if that helps.
the same thread was posted on club GTi at the same time. views aren't much better over there. I said that the engine looked like it was out of a scrapyard and someone commented on them not having to clean it up to be like new, but it would of gone along way to their workmanship.
thanks for all the support guys and gals.
you've seen the current pics so things aren't all THAT bad. just little things that could of been done better and needed another hour to tidy up and finish the job.
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Just out of intrest what prices were everywhere else chargin i know dubsport want about 6k if your using the tt engine and i think golfnutz have stopped doin transplants, what bhp are you gettin out of it now, did they give u a dyno to show what your gettin?
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i have just fell of me chair reading this thread. i didnt think garages who are heavily in the dub scene would dare release a completed job in that state.
to me it looks like they have let some owd boy do the car. if an apprentice was used to do the car you should of been warned and they should of double double checked the car. if this conversion has been done regulary they should have a standard list of parts to be fitted and standard set of brackets pre fabricated to enable the conversion.
its a sorry state to be in and i feel very sorry for you dizzie. :undecided:
for me this just reinforces the fact that if you want a job done properly do it your self.
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like I said. now I've had the car back after a 2nd time there were still teething problem, but I have fixed these myself and I am happy with the engine and the way it performs. Richandhazel will back up how it goes :cool:
it was just a shame that within days of getting it back I had to take of various bits and attack head on with the wet 'n' dry to get it to the condition you see in my pics now. on well. I'm sure you'll all see it if we meet up soon so you can see it in all it's glory
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I said that the engine looked like it was out of a scrapyard and someone commented on them not having to clean it up to be like new, but it would of gone along way to their workmanship.
i think your comments about the work being sub standard are quite fair, but i think the bit above is being a bit unfair.
the problem is that you got the job done to a price and they aren't going to do anything more than is needed. if you wanted a show car then they would probably of charged an awful lot more than 4k.
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i have just fell of me chair reading this thread
I would have too if I wasn't lying in bed. :shocked:
Well done Dizzie on keeping it fact based and going to such trouble to document the evidence. Shocking. I feel like posting a link on the DD forum and asking for their comments :evil:
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like I said. now I've had the car back after a 2nd time there were still teething problem, but I have fixed these myself and I am happy with the engine and the way it performs. Richandhazel will back up how it goes? :cool:
it was just a shame that within days of getting it back I had to take of various bits and attack head on with the wet 'n' dry to get it to the condition you see in my pics now. on well. I'm sure you'll all see it if we meet up soon so you can see it in all it's glory
I can certainly vouch for its performance, fun,fun,fun :smiley:
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mr.brown, there was a thread on the DD forum about the comments made over this on clubgti forum. I said "so hand on your heart matt, my engine was completely to a safe and satisfactory level of workmanship both times?"
he replied something along the grounds that I wasn't happy with mine so I went about the right way of sorting it out by telling them, etc. if they say to a customer about changing certain bits and they refuse to do that then that's something they can't cover.
I replied the only thing I didn't change that they advised were the engine mounts because I couldn't afford to do them and I'd only just changed the front one anyway.
The thread was then deleted before I could read anymore if anymore was written.
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I read the thread about DD on clubgti last night, and all i can say is oh dear :rolleyes:
Looks like clubgti has some sort of ties with DD, as otherwise why was everything being censored?
Thats something i find quite appalling, if a company puts out such crap work then people SHOULD know about it, thats the idea of these forums.
I noticed there was some clever knob on clubgti that reckoned people shouldn't comment unless they had a engine conversion done themselves, but why?, its not very difficult to assess that the work originally done on dizzie's car was infact sh!t :laugh:
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red_golf on here works for them, have you got any input :huh:
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I noticed there was some clever knob on clubgti that reckoned people shouldn't comment unless they had a engine conversion done themselves, but why?, its not very difficult to assess that the work originally done on dizzie's car was infact sh!t? :laugh:
for real.. i'd have hit the roof had my car been handed back with an unsecured radiator, intercooler.. and bare wires... its disgusting. its also disgusting that clubgti allowed themselves to be manipulated like that.. they're meant to be for gti fans arent they? not driven by warning this may not be true please dont file against me or JV crap like "if you dont get rid of the anti DD stuff we'll stop the clubgti deals".. that is what appears to have driven this unfair, biased censorship.
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"if you dont get rid of the anti DD stuff we'll stop the clubgti deals".
I really don't think this is the case, being someone who is very involved in club gti I can't think of one deal or anyway that DD has helped the club out.
No I am not sticking up for DD at all. I think there work is un speakable! I can coment cause have had engine conversions done before lol sorry had to get that bit it! :wink: How stupid!
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took me less than 5 mins with a can of GUNK and a pressure washer to degrease my engine and gearbox today and it looks loads better. if I could get in there with a small brush it would of been even cleaner!
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its more like DD got upset and sent a message to a spinless admin.
or more likely, the admin was spineless to start with and did it off their own back. personally, i'd wait for the solictors cease and desist before yanking a site. however, even "their" solicitors would warn them that the dangers of suing someone could be counterproductive to your sales effort if it becomes known that you were selling a shoddy service.
if you let the dice roll, the outcome would be a sorted car and a removed posting.
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I have just sat and read all 6 pages of it on club gti, I added my part to it.
I am even more shocked it seems from reading just that one thread that there is about 10 of you not happened, I thought maybe that it was a one off them having a bad week or somthing but this goes to show that this is not the case and how poor there work is, I guess it is money.
Also club gti can't themselfs be blamed for the deleting it is one of the admin who is friends with DD he feels he can delete the posts he doesn't agree with! He shouldn't be taking it personaly in my view!
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Cheers Claire. There's a dub place up to the road from me I might be taking it to for him to check it over. he's got a selection of a rallye, g60 and mk1 on carbs in his workshop so I think he knows his stuff. he had a quick look under my bonnet yesterday and spotted a couple of things that would of taken minutes to do better.
He said go away (in a nice way) and write a list of all the things I'd like him to do. Bascially just tidy it all up. There's part of the gearbox engine mount missing, although not essential. I'd really like to plumb in a Rallye intercooler and G60 rad to finish the conversion off really. Once the battery and washer bottle live in the boot it should look nice and tidy under there.
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sounds good, hope he is good and can sort some stuff out for you.
You know we were talking about intercoolers the one on the mk1 is the same length as a rallye one but it is a lot thicker.
Dizzie I forget where abouts are you? cause DD are Basingstoke right? are you far from them?
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I was with my parents in Shropshire when I was dealing with DD. 120 miles away.
I'm now in Cardiff. Still about 100 miles away, but all M4.
Aparently the rallye one will fit like factory in all mk2s. then a G60 rad will fit behind it like a peach. Samco hoses to tidy it all up. :smiley:
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hmm don't talk about samco! been waiting for over a week for a price on making teh tooling and making me a water hose, when they do give me the price if I agree it will be another 4 weeks before they make it!
so a bit of a drive for you then
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one of the admin who is friends with DD he feels he can delete the posts he doesn't agree with! He shouldn't be taking it personaly in my view!
thats weak.. oh well.........
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This will blow you're mind...
My boost gauge's illumination has been on the blink for about a month now. it's a 7 colour one that changes with the push of the button on the front. now and then it would switch from blue to nothing and be simpley set back to blue with the button, but after I installed the voltage gauge they would both be set to blue and then for no reason switch themselves to pink. I removed the voltage gauge and now the boost only lights up red. ok so time to investigate. I decided I'd wire the main power straight into the fuse box using the strip of power that runs down the side on the back. Apon removal I found this...
(http://www.dizzie.biz/golf/ecuwire.jpg)
would anyone like to guess where this wire goes to and it's job? Well to save you pondering on that one here's the answer. it's the power wire for the ECU! The relay has been removed and the wire pushed in there and the relay replaced. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that wire rate pretty high in the most important wires in the car?
What's more it isnt' even a new wire! It joins twice before reaching the ECU, each join wrapped in electrical tape! You've seen the mess Designa Dubs left my car on their first install. This is there on their 2nd attempt! You would of thought they would of made extra effort on this engine to nurse the damage from their first f**k up!
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What the....
Fscking cowboys. I don't understand how they can do some top notch conversions, with magazine features, then knob together something as piss-poor as that.
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ooooooooooooooo that just takes the p1ss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:
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sh*t sorry mate, yes it says it all.
I shouldn't have started on club gti I have got quite into it now lol there is a lot of talk about your car on teh last few pages you might like to read and coment to a few of them!
And show them this (even though the tw*ats don't think photo's prove anything), but this pic says it al lol
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yeah Claire I just read the last 2 pages mostly regarding my car. and replied with answered and that pic
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Just pissed myself laughing at that thread, I'm reading it like this..
DD Fans: "DD are great!"
Others: "no, they aren't"
DD Fans: "shutup, you can't prove it!"
Others: "here, have some photos and video evidence"
DD Fans: "pfft they could be of anything, photos can be false, you're a big fat liar!"
Head in sand, great innit :grin:
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Now thats just pooh workmanship!!
Especially on the second time round
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its safe to say u have been riped off mate by noting but cowboys by the looks of there work. i wouldn`t stand for n e of that. hope u get it all sorted.
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I'm having it looked at tomorrow. Hopefully put on the rolling road too!
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Sweet
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i see the topic has dissapeared from club gti :angry:
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yeah I noticed that. I saved the first 10 pages though :grin:
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hmm they have done it so even us hosts can't read it!!
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I think that says it all, the thread has been removed from clubgti.
That just makes DD look even more guilty :laugh:
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right click - save target as...
www.dizzie.biz/misc/CGTI.zip (3.42mb)
first 10 pages
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deleting a thread just angers the locals.
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some people just don't like the truth i guess...
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What amazed me about that clubgti thread was that a couple of people were trying to call Dizzie a liar.
Thats why i lost interest in clubgti, there are too many fools on there.
And i love the bit when the chap said that the induction kit touching the battery positive wasn't that dangerous ?:laugh:
If by any chance it could cause a spark near a charging battery (like when the car is running), its just a bit of a fire hazard ?:laugh:
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i'm particularly amazed at clubgti's response to this.
have they tried to justify their censorship? how are they serving the dub scene when dodgy work is being covered up by them!?
dizzie.. might it be worth the effort you doing a page documenting all the problems you've had.. and will find.. as it seems you're finding more!
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I posted a lengthy write up and a fair account of their work supported by picture evidence aswell as 4 videos and still they said I could be lying lol. Was I suppose to break my car and make it in that state just to turn round and blame DD?
No one who worked for DD and performed work shown in that thread posted to defend their reputation...
I have a list of problems with both times DD put a 20vT engine in my car. Both are roughtly a page long and I still find more everytime I work on the car. You would of thought with the question of the quality of their workmanship on the line they would of made 110% effort in making the 2nd engine perfect.
Obviously this just shows what they can do.
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did anyone from clubgti say anything before or since?
the reason i suggested a page is that your could have a standing running record of the saga... with what you posted there and here you have a lot of stuff... with it on a page you could get it on a few dub fan sites and that would help get it googled ;)
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Dizze for what it's worth mate, I think everyone on here doesn't think that your a liar, why would you want to make all that stuff up anyway :huh:
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that thread has put me off club gti. especially the "if you did not have it done to your car you cant comment" type posts they were implying if a friend takes a car to a garage and they do a bad job, next time someone asks for a good garage you cant warn them unless you take your car there first for them to damage it. how exactly does that help
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on the first page Dex says that section of the forum was there for the very reason of that post. to cover good and bad conversions carried out by VW tuning companies. Obviously DD didn't like the bad press which was extirely their own fault and asked for the thread to be pulled.
they've only themselves to blame.
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did DD really ask for the thread to be pulled.. or was it clubgti getting jittery about it?
would be interesting to know!
whichever way..this doesnt just reflect badly upon DD but also upon clubgti..
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ohwell. I guess we'll never know. I plan to pull my engine out soon and compeltely redo their poxy wiring solding it all in nicely. then hide everything I can, clean it all up and do a proper job. then I can say DD supplied the engine and I installed it.
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hello every one havent been on here before so i am not sure if i know any one apart from dizzie.
so thought i would join up and say hello. i am glad you like the engine work i have done,i hope it all goes well in the future for ya............
all the best paul
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thanks paul once again for all your help in getting my engine running half decent and looking tidy under the bonnet.
top bloke
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* x designa dubs gets a virtual beer *
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Paul - like the user name! very good. Welcome to the site BTW
Dizzie. I really think you need to collect all this evidence then approach DD and tell them the problems you have had with them. Give them the oppurtunity to make ammends, or compensate you for the inconvenience. We all know that DD have done some good work in the past, so do have the abililty to do it again. If this doesn't work, then take all your evidence to trading standards, and ask them about the prospect of a refund of your money, as DD have not carried out what they were paid to do.
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thanks for the beer and thanks for the welcome if you guys and gals get stuck on anything just drop me an e mail
and i will be more than happy to help
i dont work on dubs any more but i know alot about em so if you get stuck just give us a shout..........
paulkent4@hotmail.com
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Ads I can't be arsed with them anymore. I'm not going to take my car 100+ miles for it to sit in their workshop for another couple of weeks. I've fixed all their f**kups myself. The engine is coming out soon to be cleaned up ready for some shows.
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it seems on several forums as soon as their work is being reported as sh!te the thread gets deleted.
a page of writting, pictures and videos of their shoddy work isn't enough these days to be called fact. it's hear say apparently
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it seems on several forums as soon as their work is being reported as sh!te the thread gets deleted.
a page of writting, pictures and videos of their shoddy work isn't enough these days to be called fact. it's hear say apparently
Have DD tried to get this threat removed?
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not yet lol.
club gti went and now dubforce is being asked to be deleted, but the admin said DD don't sponsor dubforce so it can stay and seeing as it was mainly factual...
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ok.. so there's some proof DD may have been behind clubgti deleting it.. its still weak..
as they're probably reading this i'd like to say.. stop being cowards!
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club gti went and now dubforce is being asked to be deleted, but the admin said DD don't sponsor dubforce so it can stay and seeing as it was mainly factual...
Fair play to them. :smiley: Watch your back though Diz, DD will be putting a bounty on your head (or whatever chocolate bar they may see fit :laugh:) !
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groan. were you the guy that stole bob monkhouse' joke book? :tongue:
i think dizzie has since done too much work on the car himself to do the trading standards option, although it may be worth investigating. at the end of the day, you spent a lot of money on something and not had the required level of service, not by a long way.
just seems a really strange move from DD when quite clearly they are capable of great work :undecided:
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im guessing your mouse pointer wont be hovering over the delete button :wink:
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groan. were you the guy that stole bob monkhouse' joke book? :tongue:
Nope ! It's called natural wit ! :tongue: :wink:
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^ more like full-of-shhh... :lipsrsealed: :laugh: :tongue: :grin:
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^ more like full-of-shhh... :lipsrsealed: :laugh: :tongue: :grin:
Who bob ! Probably full of worms by now I'd have thought ! :laugh: :tongue:
Anyway, back on topic, you're supposed to be having a go at DD not me ! :laugh: :wink:
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i'm a pacifist.
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oh yeah, what was this about again? ?:tongue:
i don't think it is very useful when people just start slating suppliers, that's why there is a section called 'good guys' for keeping things positive. especially in big companies it is easy for one person to have a bad customer experience when 000's of others are happy. with this DD thing though, they aren't going to be doing 000's of engine conversions a week. they will be doing a few and hoping to generate a good name for themselves. where a long standing user on here, dizzie, has a crap experience it is well worth letting fellow dub enthusiasts know about it. he worded it all very clearly, wasn't having a right old rant, just stating what happened. fair enough i think?
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yeah of course thats very fair.. its not fair to try and bully sites into removing posts about it though.
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I'd agree with what you say there jv and Dizzie has certainly kept his calm and been quite objective really and backed up all his complaints and problems with evidence and he's certainly no reason to make false acusations against anyone. I'm guessing DD aren't going to get in the Good Guys section this year then ! :laugh:
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^^^lol
Yeah, he has been rather calm about it all and just gone about trying to sort it all out beofre something dangerous happens
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I only told me story because all of a sudden there were others with similar conversions with unfortunally similar poor workmanship. I think the dub public have a right to know how their cars might turn out. it seems the only people that don't have a bad word to say about DD are the ones that are friends with matt.
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Sorry to drag this old thread back up. Club GTI has no ties with Designa Dubs, i just thought i would make that clear. Threads shouldnt have been deleted unless they were libelous or slanderous. Occasionally, a retailer/specialist will threaten action on Club GTI if the threads arent removed, and to save hassle thats what happens. Just wanted to make that clear. :)
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this was hidden well till you bought it up :laugh: :grin:
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one of the admin who is friends with DD he feels he can delete the posts he doesn't agree with! He shouldn't be taking it personaly in my view!
thats weak.. oh well.........
Well no prizes for guessing that the Admin you are hinting at is me.
I have no idea who you are, nor do i care particularly - yes i've been friends with Matt for a long time - we met when he helped fix my mk1 golf when i was stuck on a sunday afternoon and risked jail if i couldn't get back to work that evening. He didn't get anything in return, no money, just spent three hours on the phone to me talking through dozens of things to try on my car.
Since then i decided that he was probably a good bet for working on my car - so far he's worked on three mk2's, my 200sx, and now my V6 cavalier. Over the years he's saved me thousands of pounds over going elsewhere and has come up with some amazingly inventive fixes that have saved me time and money.
But that doesn't mean i'd run the CGTI forum to suit him - it seems pretty stupid of you to make assumptions as to what happened to a thread on a forum, and then spread them over the internet as fact.
The facts are - you are wrong. So how about you wind your neck in and we'll forget about the name calling?
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then why was it deleted, all that happened was the truth was told....or can't you handle that....
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then why was it deleted, all that happened was the truth was told....or can't you handle that....
Mix, have you ever been on club gti? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Nope....had a look once...think they would get annoyed with the fact that i don't have a gti and the ramblings........ :laugh:
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Nope....had a look once...think they would get annoyed with the fact that i don't have a gti and the ramblings........ :laugh:
:laugh:
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errr i don't think not having a GTI is really an issue - i don't even own a VW anymore (got two vauxhalls)
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Still, doesn't solve the mystery of the 'lost thread' . . . :undecided:
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/speedydub/8fbbd735.gif)
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feck me.. thought all this was over a long time ago.... :undecided: :rolleyes: not really what you want popping back up.... will cause problems and forum wars...
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i'll hold me hands up n say it was me who posted a link on clubgti - purely cos theres a thread about how sh!t designaduds are :embarassed:
how nice of the mods from there to visit with their views :smiley:
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theyll be havin a pop at the admin on here next askin em to delete the thread...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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theyll be havin a pop at the admin on here next askin em to delete the thread...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
and ban us all for life :huh: :lipsrsealed: :laugh:
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well it's funny isn't it - i've clearly seen the thread on CGTI  - yet it's still there
strange since i was clearly accused of deleting the last one...
heaven forbid someone is mistaking their guesswork for fact.
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Where, did we say dexteruk deleted the thread, could have been a number of mods/admins..... :kiss:
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one of the admin who is friends with DD he feels he can delete the posts he doesn't agree with! He shouldn't be taking it personaly in my view!
thats weak.. oh well.........
well G6DUB said it was "on of the admin who is friends with DD"
of all the admin on cgti i'm the only one who would be considered "Friends with DD"
so there's ya answer
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It's only the internet :cool:
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hows about 'windin your neck in' and goin back to your fourm for more fun then as youve clearly only joined to kick off and drag up a long finished discussion...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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back to "my forum"?
lol
the only reason i joined was because i saw this thread linked (by one of the members of This forum) on CGTI - so i came to have a look.
and lo and behold there was a rather unsublte reference to me in the thread - talking crap about me.
Apologies for wanting to set the record straight - i'm sure you'd much rather just deal with rumour and guesswork than any basis in truth?
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On that note im off to bed as this is a bit boring.......
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(yes..twas dubby..she already said she posted it)
because i cant really be @rsed to read everything...from what i can gather,dizwas had a problem(alot) with designa dubs,posted his problems...and the problem is?!
this is a public forum,as are most,people tell of their experiences and people make their own judgements...so why for is everyone goin on about this?
as for clubgit,if they deleted the thread,who cares? this is golfgti...
and dex,not to have a dig..but you inverted commas to "my forum" yet you state "the only reason i joined was because i saw this thread linked (by one of the members of This forum) on CGTI - so i came to have a look.
" ....
Dinx :kiss:
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yep that was the only reason i joined - i didn't even know this forum existed before i saw the link, and the thread that was linked made reference to me - of course i'm going to say something about it...
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*pimpyawn*
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back to "my forum"?
lol
the only reason i joined was because i saw this thread linked (by one of the members of This forum) on CGTI - so i came to have a look.
and lo and behold there was a rather unsublte reference to me in the thread - talking crap about me.
Apologies for wanting to set the record straight - i'm sure you'd much rather just deal with rumour and guesswork than any basis in truth?
if you feel you did nothing wrong why the need to clear the air? only facts here are dd made shoddy work of a conversation on a members car and he felt it best to warm others of there work and his experience with them. He tried to express his opions on cgti aswell as here and this thread is still here and the thread started on cgti was removed. you havent set any record straight, no one knows by who and for what reason the threads where removed on cgti still, your just feeding more fuel to the fire mate.
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thats exactly what i was trying to say rain.. :rolleyes:
and...also what i am saying is you were defensive when kniterider said "your forum" yet the only reason you came here was to have your say on this particular topic...so really you should go back to "your forum" ...
you never knew golfgti existed? so no pics of the tvr golf from e38 on clubgti? me thinks you is fibbing.... :rolleyes:
Dinx :kiss:
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i reckon they did a quality job on dizzie's motor, especially the billet alluminium jubilee clip bracket, quality...
"cough cowboy cough"
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maybe they are trainee firefighters who are in need of practise :D
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maybe they are trainee firefighters who are in need of practise :D
or professional bodge artists, fully skilled in what they do....
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you never knew golfgti existed? so no pics of the tvr golf from e38 on clubgti? me thinks you is fibbing.... :rolleyes:
Dinx :kiss:
ROFL!!!!
Sorry to break this to you - but this forum isn't the centre of the universe, and there are people around who have never heard of it...
I saw a TVR golf at inters, didn't go to Ed38 - and don't trawl through show reports - i'm interested in driving cars, not looking at them...
Mind you -  i love this forum - you've just accused me of lying, G6DUB implicitly accused me of deleting a thread because i am friends with the subject of the thread.
I'm gonna stick around and see who else gets accused on here - sounds like a real rumour mill  :grin:
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Sorry to break this to you - but this forum isn't the centre of the universe
errrrrrrrrrrrm i beg to differ
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truth hurt or something?
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of course it isnt the centre of the universe..thats clubgit innit?! :rolleyes:
i find it funny that ur interested in just driving cars yet are an admin on a car forum?! :undecided: have you installed a computer within your dash so you drive whilst be an admin?! thats like a redline feature aint it?! :rolleyes:
if i accused you of lying...id have said so..i actually said fibbing...because i wasnt too sure..lying is such a harsh word dont you think?!
tbh...accusations arent that common...if we think ur full of sh!t we usually say it..but thats probs only to regulars... :rolleyes:
Dinx :kiss:
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of course it isnt the centre of the universe..thats clubgit innit?! :rolleyes:
i find it funny that ur interested in just driving cars yet are an admin on a car forum?! :undecided: have you installed a computer within your dash so you drive whilst be an admin?! thats like a redline feature aint it?! :rolleyes:
if i accused you of lying...id have said so..i actually said fibbing...because i wasnt too sure..lying is such a harsh word dont you think?!
tbh...accusations arent that common...if we think ur full of sh!t we usually say it..but thats probs only to regulars... :rolleyes:
Dinx :kiss:
Oh this is so full of irony, if only you lot knew the ins and outs of the entire thing that is cgti. Believe me i do, and tbh its not worth the paper it was first doodled about on.
cgti certainly ain't the centre of the universe, uranus maybe but universe oh no.
Funny how more and more of these DD threads keep appearing (or should that be dissappearing?? :rolleyes: ). Shows a real "quality" workshop at its best.
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but thats the thing slick..it may be full of irony but..whos gives a sh!t...this is golfgti..feckin clubgit has feck all to do with this site,in fact,tis unknown to sum :rolleyes: ,so why the feck is clubgit even mentioned ffs.. :rolleyes:
oh..and as previously stated..i dont no the full ins and outs...and dont really care..
Dinx :kiss:
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aye, well i have better things to do than argue the toss in here, i know what i have seen in the flesh and through picture documentation, i will not be recommending them to anyone. Am off to bed. Night.
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everything I said was based on fact and backed up with picture/video evidence. I've spoke to matt since posting my original thread on cgti and he asked me if I thought it was a sh!t mechanic. I replied I thought he had a lot of knowledge on conversions and he was a excellent mechanic when he wanted to be. if he could/woudl only apply that to ever customer's car that came through the door Designa Dubs wouldn't be slagged off and I'm sure myself, Rich, and everyone else I've spoken to who have received bad conversions and who will remain anon on this would praise them as much as Dex and James H, etc do.
If I had got my car back and the engine was as clean as clean could be and everything was properly bolted in and secured safeley then I would be telling everyone I met Designa Dubs were the boys to take your car to if you want a conversion. Unfortunally for all parties this wasn't the case - twice.
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Its half five, I just sh!t, vomited and sneezed ginsters and alchole everyware and ive got a hangover....seems like the perfect time to chuck my ore in.
I had an appointment a week ago down DesignaDubs to have an exhaust fitted. I get there at 10.30 on a saturday morning and it turns out they forgot i was comming, I can live with that, It is a saturday morning after all. So they open the workshop, Move some cars then go reverse mine in. Now as you know my cars not low. About 6 inches of clearence on the side, But still too low to be placed on there forks to reaise the car up. I thaught this was Odd being a VW Shop and felt just a little bit pissed that i had driven for 50 mins to get there...
HOWEVER
They appoligised and made a call to Topgear down the road, They loaded my new exhaust in the boot of the car and got me an immediate appointment at Topgear. They also offered me a coffee, printed me off a map and sat me down to explaine how to get there. Once i understood the route i setoff down the road to Topgear who sorted out my car for me almost straight away and i left with a smile on my face.
Although i didnt have anything major done, I did find it a little odd that they couldnt raise my car and didnt like the Icey reception i got. However they MORE than made up for this with doing there best to have my car sorted so i was left with a good impression of them :smiley: