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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Dan_GTI on 27 September 2010, 19:10

Title: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Dan_GTI on 27 September 2010, 19:10
From dead cold my aum runs abit lumpy and loud, checked the secondary air pump for split rivets but all seems sealed, just full serviced it and tryed 2 maf sensors already any ideas?? and i've tryed searching  :tongue:
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Big Tone on 27 September 2010, 21:47
I have a similar issue, all the usual things have been checked/replaced and once the sap turns off shes fine, wiered.
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Mr_Orange on 27 September 2010, 22:03
Yup.  Similar story here too. 

Once the SAI is off it runs OK... that is until the SAI comes on again briefly about 2 minutes later for a few seconds.  :huh:
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 27 September 2010, 22:21
also noticed this on mine too since the temps dropped in the morning/evening sai pump runs goes off and then maybe comes on for few secs about 1 minute after initial start up,some of mine could be down to the fact that theres no pcv system in place as i'm running a catch can and also its 19mm pipework so compared to the std size pcv stuff its alot bigger/open
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: topher on 27 September 2010, 23:40
possibly a vacuum leak somewhere around the n112 valve, near the dipstick
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: paulwayman on 28 September 2010, 15:45
mine is same to on morning  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Mr_Orange on 28 September 2010, 17:03
possibly a vacuum leak somewhere around the n112 valve, near the dipstick

Hi Topher,

Which valve is that mate?  I've already deleted the N249.  Is n112 also part of all that mess under the inlet manifold?  Can it be easily removed with no ill affects?
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Big Tone on 28 September 2010, 18:06
also noticed this on mine too since the temps dropped in the morning/evening sai pump runs goes off and then maybe comes on for few secs about 1 minute after initial start up,some of mine could be down to the fact that theres no pcv system in place as i'm running a catch can and also its 19mm pipework so compared to the std size pcv stuff its alot bigger/open

I still got pcv system, seems like we found a common problem. Toph, how can you check for vac leak? Which block do you log, don't you look for fuel trims of-4? Or something like that?
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Dan_GTI on 28 September 2010, 19:08
seems like i've opened a can of worms here  :grin:

ive bought this up before as its quite loud in the morning when i leave it to warm up from cold, embarrasing too sounds like a massey fergie  :laugh:
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: tech1889 on 28 September 2010, 19:14
I looked at my SAI for split rivets and i couldn't see none but was bored one saturday and thought sod it will have a look went B&Q got some bolts nuts and washers took my SAI pump out and even tho i had checked it, it still had about 2-3 split rivets and i could now physically see the gap which was making it much louder..

Changed the rivets for bolts with loctite on the nuts and to this day its been much more easy to listen to and much less of a maggy fergie which is what mine sounded like before i done this..

Dunno if this helps but for £5 it helped me :)
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Dan_GTI on 28 September 2010, 19:24
i've got plenty of bags of nuts and bolts so i might try it anyway...

cross your fingers for me  :grin:
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: tech1889 on 28 September 2010, 19:31
fingers and toes all crossed   :laugh:
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: dubcruiser on 28 September 2010, 19:36
I did my Secondary Pump with new bolts etc and resealed it but my Golf would still be a bit lumpy when the pump was running. Just a characteristic of the car I guess and I lived with it...
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: Mr_Orange on 28 September 2010, 20:40
I did my Secondary Pump with new bolts etc and resealed it but my Golf would still be a bit lumpy when the pump was running. Just a characteristic of the car I guess and I lived with it...

Yes mate, the SAI pump repair has been done on mine already too.  Still runs funky when the pump is on, so much so I wait for it to end before driving off.

Surely the car never did this from new, what's worn out / leaking to make it run like this now?
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: tech1889 on 28 September 2010, 20:41
could the actual pump itself be dodgey ??
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: brendan on 29 September 2010, 10:04
Mine is so embaressingly loud first thing in the morning. Could it be split rivets ?
Title: Re: Grumpy cold start
Post by: tech1889 on 29 September 2010, 11:55
yes definately..