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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: am1w on 25 September 2010, 12:42
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I have come to the conclusion that the Scirocco is better made than the Golf.
After examining numerous versions of these cars, the panel fit and paint finish on the Scirocco is much better in comparison.
Nearly every Golf I have examined seems to have a badly aligned bonnet and front bumper plus badly hung doors. (Worse on the 5 door. I had to have all my doors re-aligned). Some also have deformed rear bumpers in the number plate area (like mine used to).
I have not trolled through the Scirocco forums to be enlightened on its problems.
What do you think?
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its that, or the drivers are much less anal ... :rolleyes:
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What was that about Sciroccos being PIGs cars I seem to remember Asker? :grin:
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What was that about Sciroccos being PIGs cars I seem to remember Asker? :grin:
If you read my post carefully, I was talking about the finish not the looks.
I still feel the Scirocco is unattractive especially from the rear.
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My dad's looking at the Rocco at the moment nice drive :cool:
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its that, or the drivers are much less anal ... :rolleyes:
:laugh:
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My dad's looking at the Rocco at the moment nice drive :cool:
He'll get a better finished car, hopefully. :smiley:
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Just the same I think. My mate bought a Scirroco last year and commented on how the bonnet had very poor alignment and commented on the fact to the dealer who reckoned it was "the first he had seen like that" I've been in his a couple of times and think it's v.similar to the Golf
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Just the same I think. My mate bought a Scirroco last year and commented on how the bonnet had very poor alignment and commented on the fact to the dealer who reckoned it was "the first he had seen like that" I've been in his a couple of times and think it's v.similar to the Golf
Then I suppose it has to be Premium German makes like Mercedes, BMW and Audi one has to go for.
Our Mercedes is perfect.
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its that, or the drivers are much less anal ... :rolleyes:
I presume you are an expert having owned a Mk6 GTi or Scirocco and would be perfectly happy to own a new car with bent/damaged panels.
I am sure you feel your Mk 2 is the best of the best.
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Also check how varied the wing to a-pillar gap is on the golf :shocked:
Polos are worse door.boot.bonnet and paint, I have seen quite a few transport fulls of cars arriving at the dealers over time, how the hell they got passed factory QC i will never know.
Sciroccos don't suffer alot of the paint cutback that the golf and polo do.
I nearly cancelled my GTI at one point due to VWcustomer service/dealer and went for an instock scirocco R, I often look back and think....
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Also check how varied the wing to a-pillar gap is on the golf :shocked:
Polos are worse door.boot.bonnet and paint, I have seen quite a few transport fulls of cars arriving at the dealers over time, how the hell they got passed factory QC i will never know.
Sciroccos don't suffer alot of the paint cutback that the golf and polo do.
I nearly cancelled my GTI at one point due to VWcustomer service/dealer and went for an instock scirocco R, I often look back and think....
That's the first thing I checked when I took delivery. Mine was alright. But I'll check again to see if it has moved!
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Went out for a stroll in my area. Cold today.
Checked 5 Mk6 Golfs (3 GTis) and 3 Sciroccos.
Definitely, the Sciroccos are better made. All these Golfs have issues I've already posted about.
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Your getting as bad as me :grin:
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Your getting as bad as me :grin:
Nothing wrong with that. :smiley:
I think ownership of a VW Mk6 Golf GTi, nay any VW, turns one into a mental case. Their treatment of their customers is disgraceful and beyond the pale. Their sheer arrogance coupled with utter ignorance is quite extraodinary.
I have never, ever had such an unpleasant experience as that from owning this VW.
Never again. :angry: :sick:
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It will prob be my last new one too. :cry:
I still fancy a mk2 GTI or mk3 GTI to add to my fleet for winter duties/general dirty use, to replace the reliable japanese car i currently use.
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My first and last VW. Sh!t make.
At least the initial part of a decision for not purchasing which make of new car has been made well in advance. :cool:
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They do imho now live off the reputation they built up with the mk2 golf sadly. :cry:
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at the end of the day its only a f**king car!
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They do imho now live off the reputation they built up with the mk2 golf sadly. :cry:
Too true Snoops, the mk2 gave the Golf a slightly upmarket image in the UK and fickle buyers and clever marketing keep that image alive.
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at the end of the day its only a f**king car!
........ At the end of the day its only this, its only that ......... its only YOU.
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tbh... i couldnt care less about panels, paint, and all the other stuff as long as the car drives correct. I dont even care if its dirty, or painted pink (as long as this doesnt draw any extra attention).
Sometimes you just need to drive a car rather that sit and look at it! :nerd: :evil:
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Here's a suggestion - grow up and get a life. Your ceaseless whinging is becoming tedious. Most people, when faced with a problem, get it sorted and move on. You've been whinging about your minor problem across endless threads and posts - sell the damned car, buy something else and join another forum. And be grateful you don't have to earn a living going on foot patrol in Afghanistan. Those guys have my sympathy. You don't.
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Here's a suggestion - grow up and get a life. Your ceaseless whinging is becoming tedious. Most people, when faced with a problem, get it sorted and move on. You've been whinging about your minor problem across endless threads and posts - sell the damned car, buy something else and join another forum. And be grateful you don't have to earn a living going on foot patrol in Afghanistan. Those guys have my sympathy. You don't.
You don't like it ..... you p!ss off.
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I've got a gti and my brother has a scirrocco which i've driven and cleaned several times, my opinion is that both have there faults and there is evidence of cost cutting by vw in both cars, the finish on both cars is fine as far as general appearance, my number plate surround is a bit wavey but i can deal with that, my rear screen wash drips in hot weather and the door pillars tick when it's hot but these things are quirks, at the end of the day the body of the car is the same as a boggo golf it's the gubbins underneath that make it what it is and i love it! The roc has a poor design at the front, the panel gap however even, is huge around the bonnet with no gas strut to keep it up just an old school metal bar. If i were you am1w i'd be looking for a different car cos your obviously not happy with the current one, having said that i'm sure you would find something not right.
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Asker
You really need a remap.
The GTI is a fantastic car. You've had a few problems and seem to have fallen out of love. :cry:
Shame.
I've had mine over a year now and it (he) still makes me smile inside everyday. :smiley:
If you really are going to exchange this great car then can I have first refusal on the Ed30 gearknob?
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I love the way my car drives and looks and far prefer it to a Scirocco. My only major gripe with the car has been the excessively deformed rear bumper in the number plate area and the problems I had with VWCS to get this rectified. Beleive me, it has been a very unpleasant experience. If the deformation was minor, I could live with it. It was not. VW (eventually), the Bodyshop and an Independent Inspection all agreed that this deformation was unacceptable.
As I have yet to see a Scirocco with the build problems of a Golf, my post is valid IMO.
I also have a Mercedes C Class 350 CDI Sport which is perfectly finished with zero problems.
I will not buy a VW again mainly because I feel this company has abysmal Customer Service.
I simply cannot understand why people find it so dreadful if one expects a high level of quality for this product which is not cheap. The price of a modern car has nothing to do with the overall fit and finish of the panels as the Koreans and Japenese have proved so conclusively.
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Asker
You really need a remap.
The GTI is a fantastic car. You've had a few problems and seem to have fallen out of love. :cry:
Shame.
I've had mine over a year now and it (he) still makes me smile inside everyday. :smiley:
If you really are going to exchange this great car then can I have first refusal on the Ed30 gearknob?
I have not fallen out of love with my car but with VW as a company.
Hopefully, by Wednesday, it will be sorted and all will be well with Wolfgang but not in my feelings for VW.
Re-map will be next year. But first the Bi-Xenons.
Can you wait until 2012 for my knob? :grin:
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Glad to here you are not divorcing Wolfgang.
Flashy headlights over a remap??? :huh: You must do a lot of night driving.
I've not driven a rocco so can't comment on the build quality, can't fault my Golf. Are they made in Wolfsburg?
I'll stay on the lookout for another Ed30 knob.
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Here's a suggestion - grow up and get a life. Your ceaseless whinging is becoming tedious. Most people, when faced with a problem, get it sorted and move on. You've been whinging about your minor problem across endless threads and posts - sell the damned car, buy something else and join another forum. And be grateful you don't have to earn a living going on foot patrol in Afghanistan. Those guys have my sympathy. You don't.
AlanH or should I call you AdolfH:
I cannot undersatand why you are confusing the Golf GTi Forum with the dreadful tragedy that is Afghanistan. Might I suggest you re-align your mind and separate the two.
As for the tragedy that is Afghanistan, I run clinics to give help and support to our maimed and damaged soldiers. You might provide them with just sympathy, but I work hard to help them, solve their horrible problems and try and improve the quality of their lives. You probably have little or no idea what it is like to deal with these tragic cases.
Your stupid post just belittles you and shows the shallowness of your view of people who post on this Forum.
I would be grateful if you don't react or reply to my posts as you are beneath my consideration and contempt.
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Is it really worth spending the money on a remap? Cos from what i've read you spend a majority of your drivin time stuck in the good ol london traffic, i'd spend it on the lights, at least they look nice! :smiley: might look at a merc myself next time round, have to see what the next c class looks like, just think the current interior is a bit pants.
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Jimble:
Yes, first the Xenons as they look good and as I do some night driving, they would help me significantly.
The remap: Well that's next year when my Insurance comes up for renewal. That's how I feel for now. It will increase the fun factor on my 'interesting' drives. At present, the car feels fast enough. But GolfTi is over the moon with his and I would like to replicate this joy. :smiley:
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GolfTi:
This is just for you. :smiley:
It is so beautiful to behold and hold! :grin:
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/am1w/IMG00339-20100626-1829.jpg)
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GolfTi:
This is just for you. :smiley:
It is so beautiful to behold and hold! :grin:
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/am1w/IMG00339-20100626-1829.jpg)
No ACC in that picture Asker?
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Here is the ACC button!
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac50/am1w/IMG00344-20100626-2014.jpg)
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Just testing you :laugh:
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Just testing you :laugh:
:kiss:
Hope all is well.
Take care.
Driving a Pug 107 as courtesy car. Bloody awful. Can never get into first or reverse. :sick:
GTi back on Wednesday, PLEASE. :grin:
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Now you know what you're missing.
Great Gear Knob.
How many feet have you got??
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Now you know what you're missing.
Great Gear Knob.
How many feet have you got??
3 legs and 2 feet the last time I looked! :evil: :grin:
Ess_three has named me: Blingmeister. Cheek! It is just practical for my third leg. :rolleyes:
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Just testing you :laugh:
:kiss:
Hope all is well.
Take care.
Driving a Pug 107 as courtesy car. Bloody awful. Can never get into first or reverse. :sick:
GTi back on Wednesday, PLEASE. :grin:
A Pug , what a pile a shi*e :grin:
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Believe me Steve, sh!t is better. I'll stay home all weekend as I just cannot bring myself to drive it.
On Monday they will give me a newish Polo.
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Wow love some of the replies on this thread :rolleyes:
I guess the ones that came over from BMWs to VWs are still about.
I think all am1w is asking is how about VW build cars to the QC standards they did the mk2 golf or to the level they have a reputation for and advertise at!. Mk2's were 18 years ago it should get better not worse.
I was happy with our 2005 SEAT build, fit and finish quality i did not expect 2010 VWs to be far far far far worse and have mager cost cutting just 5 years later when its suppose to be the more superior brand that they charge a much higher premium for. :rolleyes: . Hell my 1998 SEAT suffered the corroding Ronal wheels and squeeking door rubbers, not alot changed there then :grin: . Unlike alot of you lot, my family, extended family and myself all own/owned loads of VW/Audis since the late 70s and from the mid 90s also SEATs many different models and regular changing models. I look after them all! So i know how things have changed.
To then say its all in the drive what a f**king load of b0llocks that is, to base a car buying on that is just stupid and ignorant, but then i guess they were the people who bought peugeot 205 GTI models in the 80s because they are so stupid to beleive the motoring press are not biased, not given specially prepped cars, or the writers have a clue what there talking about when it comes to engineering. Nowadays give some brain dead paper pusher a touchy feeling top of a dashboard, in direct eye sight non shiny plastics and they are stupid enough to beleive thats quality, people just don't have a clue.
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Exactly, exactly Snoops.
What we get and what we expect from VW are very different things. They are unfairly riding on the reputation of build quality for their past cars like the Mk2 Golf.
I hate being cheated, especially when it involves a sizable amount of money. :angry:
It's probably because we are both 'old fashioned' engineers by training (I am at least) and involved with quality control issues, that we find it so difficult to stomach this cost cutting. Our lone voices will probably never be heard in the greedy Corporate noise.
Just because these morons can use a pc and navigate a mouse, they think they are engineers and have the required knowledge. P!sses me off no end. :angry:
It seems that real depth of engineering is a thing of the past wrt the VW brand. :sad:
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I woudn't pay almost 30 grand on a motor just for drivabilty ether , the car needs to be brilliant all round , looks , shape , engine, tyres, gearbox,handling, power, cabin, paintwork, alloy wheels. This is what I look for when buyng a new car, and thats why I bought the GTD a great package. VW standards have most defintly gone down hill over the past 18 months esp VWCS what a joke they are then there's some dealerships who just want your money then dont give a flying F*** when it comes to warrenty issues!! :evil:
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Steve: I totally agree with both you and Snoops.
All I was trying to do with this hread was to highlight quality issues and start a discussion.
I got attacked by certain members for this. How sad and stupid. I thought that's what a forum was for!
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You've taken some very unfair stick on this thread. Your right to expect quality right the way though the car. If VW wants to stand out from the likes of Ford, Mazda and Vauxhalls etc then it needs to up its game in this area.
GTI's are iconic cars. I love mine and would buy another one tomorrow, I just hope VW don't rest on their laurels and go spoil it.
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Thanks MAW.
Glad you are back.
Unnecessary stick from ignorant fools.
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SO what was this thread about again??? VW being poor quality?? The golf being worse than the Roc? or the poor quality of service from VWCS??
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SO what was this thread about again??? VW being poor quality?? The golf being worse than the Roc? or the poor quality of service from VWCS??
:rolleyes:
Good morning Gilly.
Answer:
I have come to the conclusion that the Scirocco is better made than the Golf.
After examining numerous versions of these cars, the panel fit and paint finish on the Scirocco is much better in comparison.
Nearly every Golf I have examined seems to have a badly aligned bonnet and front bumper plus badly hung doors. (Worse on the 5 door. I had to have all my doors re-aligned). Some also have deformed rear bumpers in the number plate area (like mine used to).
What do you think?
:smiley:
The responses have been more forthcoming than I envisaged.
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As above Asker, don't take it all to heart. It's mostly another example of the ones who arrive on here once in a blue moon to stir up trouble before vanishing back to other parts of the forum.
Most of these people own older VAG stuff. Older VAG stuff is usually better than older non VAG stuff of similar vintage subject to it not having been abused, so their view is somewhat different to a person who has shelled out nearly £30k of his own cash on something that is advertised as pretty much a premium quality product. If VW are going to charge premium money (keeping in mind some Golfs are dearer than their Audi equivalents and SEAT/Skoda versions are much, much cheaper) they should provide a premium service.
My message to those sh!t stirrers would be that the new cars owned by people on this forum now will be the second hand bargains you will be buying in a few years time. So just how well would you like your 5 year old VW to have been looked after by it's first couple of owners?
As for Gilly, you only lease your car so I'm not surprised you don't give two hoots about how it looks day to day, especially if your employer pays for all or a large part of that lease. I especially see where you're coming from when I consider all of the things you've said you've had happen to it :cry:
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Thanks Exonian. Most grateful for your support.
It's interesting how unnecessary and unprovoked personal attacks just for posting a perfectly innocent thread is proof what is so endemically wrong with our society.
I feel it is essential to maintain high quality standards either through discussion or practical means.
But it feels, sometimes, that one has perpetrated some sort of heinous crime for which only capital punishment will suffice.
Anyway, each to their own.
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I feel very able to comment on this thread cos I fell out with VW after the 2 awful Mk4s I had. I bought them after having several Vauxhalls thinking I was buying a more upmarket, better quality brand/car and they were ten times worse. And the dealers were utterly unable to fix the things that went wrong.
So, yes, I agree that VW are living on past reputation.
But, and it's a big but, that supposed reputation is exactly the reason I bought my GTi and not the VXR which I also liked. Because of this supposed reputation for quality the general public is prepared to pay a lot more for the cars and, therefore, the resale price is much higher than Vauxhall. So as a private buyer it ultimately made more financial sense to get the Golf over the VXR as it'll be cheaper in the long run. We all benefit from this "reputation" in this way even though we know from experience it's not always true.
We also know that true engineering integrity has been discussed countless times on general forums and the general consensus is that Japanese makes are best. Even then, you could end up with a dog so I'm just enjoying this GTi at the moment, even with its odd creak, cos it's a fantastic car to drive (and, when I come to sell it, to own as somebody will no doubt pay me a fortune for it).
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Great post Andykram.
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Hmmmmm.................. That comment makes me laugh. How many 6+ Year old Jap cars do you see driving about? Not that many apart from afew banged up old subaru's that have had countless rebuilds.
KIA ( koreans ) seem to lead the way in build quality. They dish out an 100,000 mile / 7year Warrenty. I carn't see them doing that if the car wasn't reliable.
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To attack this thread further. I hear the Scirocco is made in spain. Whilst the golf in germany.
I also have the fortune to have regular access to both. And anybody that says the Scirocco is better built is having a laugh. The foglight fell out on my dads recently. The interior is just poor in comparison. Its had several problems which has required a refit at dealers. Door seals etc..
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Scirocco is made in Portugal.
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To attack this thread further. I hear the Scirocco is made in spain. Whilst the golf in germany.
I also have the fortune to have regular access to both. And anybody that says the Scirocco is better built is having a laugh. The foglight fell out on my dads recently. The interior is just poor in comparison. Its had several problems which has required a refit at dealers. Door seals etc..
It is good read your comments. Most helpful and illuminating.
However, I cannot quite understand and find it very strange why you consider your perfectly valid comments as an 'attack'.
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SO what was this thread about again??? VW being poor quality?? The golf being worse than the Roc? or the poor quality of service from VWCS??
:rolleyes:
Good morning Gilly.
Answer:
I have come to the conclusion that the Scirocco is better made than the Golf.
After examining numerous versions of these cars, the panel fit and paint finish on the Scirocco is much better in comparison.
Nearly every Golf I have examined seems to have a badly aligned bonnet and front bumper plus badly hung doors. (Worse on the 5 door. I had to have all my doors re-aligned). Some also have deformed rear bumpers in the number plate area (like mine used to).
What do you think?
:smiley:
The responses have been more forthcoming than I envisaged.
I have posted my comments on the rocco before, in short i dont like it. So i very rarely pay them much attention. Judging by the number I see on the road I would say most people opt for the golf over the Rocco.
So could it simply be that they are struggling to produce the golf in the numbers required.. whilst the rocco staff are twiddling their thumbs all day once they have finished production?? :huh: :smiley:
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As for Gilly, you only lease your car so I'm not surprised you don't give two hoots about how it looks day to day, especially if your employer pays for all or a large part of that lease. I especially see where you're coming from when I consider all of the things you've said you've had happen to it :cry:
tis true.. i dont really care about the car that much as it will end up VW's problem again at some point. I judge a car on its ability to deliver. As a daily driver the golf doesnt do much wrong.. Good economy when in traffic, good performance when required, can fit most items in when required, and looks good.
Thats about all i require from a car... for me its a work horse that is there to serve a purpose, and i will judge the car when it comes to the end of its life with me. Had a few problems with it so far.. nothing too serious, but in my book its already behind the mk5 R32 i used to have. 30k I did in that and it never missed a breath. :nerd: :smiley:
p.s. i am my employer :wink:
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I have posted my comments on the rocco before, in short i dont like it. So i very rarely pay them much attention. Judging by the number I see on the road I would say most people opt for the golf over the Rocco.
So could it simply be that they are struggling to produce the golf in the numbers required.. whilst the rocco staff are twiddling their thumbs all day once they have finished production?? :huh: :smiley:
The thought had crossed my mind. It's the best seller Europe-wise I understand.
I also am not a fan of the Scirocco. The rear end is revolting IMO and the 'A' Pillars are so thick, that I nearly had an accident on the test drive! Besides, I need 4 doors for obvious reasons.
I will love my Golf even more after this Wednesday once the two-tone effect at the rear has been sorted. :smiley:
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As for Gilly, you only lease your car so I'm not surprised you don't give two hoots about how it looks day to day, especially if your employer pays for all or a large part of that lease. I especially see where you're coming from when I consider all of the things you've said you've had happen to it :cry:
tis true.. i dont really care about the car that much as it will end up VW's problem again at some point. I judge a car on its ability to deliver. As a daily driver the golf doesnt do much wrong.. Good economy when in traffic, good performance when required, can fit most items in when required, and looks good.
Thats about all i require from a car... for me its a work horse that is there to serve a purpose, and i will judge the car when it comes to the end of its life with me. Had a few problems with it so far.. nothing too serious, but in my book its already behind the mk5 R32 i used to have. 30k I did in that and it never missed a breath. :nerd: :smiley:
p.s. i am my employer :wink:
Gilly I think the mk5 was a lot more solid motor :undecided:
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As for Gilly, you only lease your car so I'm not surprised you don't give two hoots about how it looks day to day, especially if your employer pays for all or a large part of that lease. I especially see where you're coming from when I consider all of the things you've said you've had happen to it :cry:
tis true.. i dont really care about the car that much as it will end up VW's problem again at some point. I judge a car on its ability to deliver. As a daily driver the golf doesnt do much wrong.. Good economy when in traffic, good performance when required, can fit most items in when required, and looks good.
Thats about all i require from a car... for me its a work horse that is there to serve a purpose, and i will judge the car when it comes to the end of its life with me. Had a few problems with it so far.. nothing too serious, but in my book its already behind the mk5 R32 i used to have. 30k I did in that and it never missed a breath. :nerd: :smiley:
p.s. i am my employer :wink:
Gilly I think the mk5 was a lot more solid motor :undecided:
hmm quite possibly.. :undecided:
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Certinaly built much better IMO, but the mk6 is more refined ??
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Thats another reason why i gave my mk6 back and bought a new s3 Sportback for the same price. Much better build quality with leather, 18's and zenons as standard plus 4 wheel drive of course. All this for 30k. Like for like much better value and solid build.
I do like the mk6 but the cons outweigh the pros i'm afraid. And as i continue to read this forum i'm becoming more assured of my decision.
Fantastic opinions by everyone guys. Keep up the great posts.
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Thats another reason why i gave my mk6 back and bought a new s3 Sportback for the same price. Much better build quality with leather, 18's and zenons as standard plus 4 wheel drive of course. All this for 30k. Like for like much better value and solid build.
I do like the mk6 but the cons outweigh the pros i'm afraid. And as i continue to read this forum i'm becoming more assured of my decision.
Fantastic opinions by everyone guys. Keep up the great posts.
If I had to choose another VW ( other than a Golf ) it would be a Passat CC. Pricey and fuel economy would be cr@p but a Passat CC GT V6 FSI DSG with 19" Lugano alloys 'floats my boat'. A great looking car imo but a blatant Mecedes CLS copy! :wink:
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Thats another reason why i gave my mk6 back and bought a new s3 Sportback for the same price. Much better build quality with leather, 18's and zenons as standard plus 4 wheel drive of course. All this for 30k. Like for like much better value and solid build.
I do like the mk6 but the cons outweigh the pros i'm afraid. And as i continue to read this forum i'm becoming more assured of my decision.
Fantastic opinions by everyone guys. Keep up the great posts.
If I had to choose another VW ( other than a Golf ) it would be a Passat CC. Pricey and fuel economy would be cr@p but a Passat CC GT V6 FSI DSG with 19" Lugano alloys 'floats my boat'. A great looking car imo but a blatant Mecedes CLS copy! :wink:
But better than a CLS :drool:
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A couple of weeks ago there was a comparison between a used CLS and a Passat CC in Auto Car.
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A couple of weeks ago there was a comparison between a used CLS and a Passat CC in Auto Car.
Any chance of an online link?
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A couple of weeks ago there was a comparison between a used CLS and a Passat CC in Auto Car.
I think Fifth gear did the same test a while back, from memory they said the Passat was as good a car in terms of quality, finish etc.
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A couple of weeks ago there was a comparison between a used CLS and a Passat CC in Auto Car.
Any chance of an online link?
Tried to get the link but the server at work is useless and searching is very difficult. Sorry.
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A couple of weeks ago there was a comparison between a used CLS and a Passat CC in Auto Car.
Any chance of an online link?
No worries. I found it. :smiley:
Although has to be said, comparing a 57k Merc 5.5ltr V8 against a 25k CC is a bit of a non competition. :huh:
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Yes, strange that. At least they could have compared the V6 4 Motion version of the CC.
I actually prefer the looks of the Passat CC.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuPmC2Pnz78