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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: dirvy on 22 September 2010, 15:03
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good review of golf in new Car mag.
candy white of course
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Another from AutoExpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/256966/giulietta_cloverleaf_vs_golf_gti.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=8ce50d5bf2602b0f04c2949d5b5c08bc
Is it me or is that Alfa f**king ugly?
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I quite like the new Giulietta, the pics don't do it justice. I had my choice when I changed my car this year from an Alfa - guess which one I bought! :evil:
Don't listen to sh!te about reliability. Mine never gave any problems in 3 yrs of ownership, but you've got to look after them. No worse than any other marque at the moment.
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I have had 2 alfas as courtesy cars fairly recently, a GT, and a 156. First the 156.... possibly if not theeeeeeeee worst car i have ever driven. I wouldnt give one to my dog to pi$$ on. Just when i thought they could not get any worse, i get the GT..... absolute pile of crap!
I used to love alfas, esp the styling! I would never buy one, borrow one, or recommend one. Worst excuse for a car ever, the design and functionality of buttons is a perfect example of this. LIstening to some of the comments on there... what a joke. Written by alfa owners that wouldnt know quality if they drove into it.
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I saw a fully loaded white Giulietta last Sunday. It has an exceptionally ugly snout. This perfectly defines the rest of this failed package. Time Alfa Romeo was named Half-a-Romeo and was put to rest ASAP and without ceremony. RIP.
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Giulietta has had some mixed reviews but I would still have one instead of a Golf.
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Wayne:
Get on your bike, NOW.
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Giulietta has had some mixed reviews but I would still have one instead of a Golf.
Err, and that explains why you're on a Golf forum?
You cyclists are a weird bunch, now make your mind up do you now officially cycle on pavements at high speed or are you still supposed to cycle on the roads? Or can you just do as you please like Pikeys?
I go out walking and get cyclists in homo-erotic clothes buzzing by me on the path at high speed, and yet I jump in the car and I get cyclists in homo-erotic clothes cycling two abreast at high speed on narrow roads in the road. And now I see homo-erotic cyclists who apparently don't like Golfs making half arsed statements on Golf forums. Man, and I thought society had other problems.....
I'm not anti cyclist by the way, spent my best years on two wheels, it's just the lycra type, I think many have 'issues'.
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Giulietta has had some mixed reviews but I would still have one instead of a Golf.
if its built like any alfa i have driven (any they do actualy drive quite nice) then you will be giving it back in 3 months and cycling to the VW show room.
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I think Wayne is very frustrated as he cannot even wear those homo-erotic lycra condoms due to a misshapen physical and mental format. Poor sod.
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I have had 2 alfas as courtesy cars fairly recently, a GT, and a 156. First the 156.... possibly if not theeeeeeeee worst car i have ever driven. I wouldnt give one to my dog to pi$$ on. Just when i thought they could not get any worse, i get the GT..... absolute pile of crap!
I used to love alfas, esp the styling! I would never buy one, borrow one, or recommend one. Worst excuse for a car ever, the design and functionality of buttons is a perfect example of this. LIstening to some of the comments on there... what a joke. Written by alfa owners that wouldnt know quality if they drove into it.
Before my golf i owned a 156 2.0 Selespeed, and although the gearbox had a mind of it's own, i loved the car. The interior was sooo stylish with the panelled leather on the doorcards, and even though it was a good few years old (51-plate) the leather looked and felt like it had never been sat in
The engine was a corker, it felt really strong and torquey (obv not in the same league as the GTI) and the steering had loads of feel, and even after the 104,000 miles it had covered, nothing had broken (apart from the passenger electric window switch) and it looked brilliant.
I test drove a Brera S last year before buying the golf, and i felt as though they've gone downhill now they're using the GM engines. It didn't have the character of the older ones. Looked stunning of course and handled brilliantly due to the Q2 diff, but the engine was boring and lifeless.
The golf is so much more solid and is a miles better car, but i think that Guilietta is stunning, especially from the back!
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Wayne:
Get on your bike, NOW.
Err, and that explains why you're on a Golf forum?
You cyclists are a weird bunch, now make your mind up do you now officially cycle on pavements at high speed or are you still supposed to cycle on the roads? Or can you just do as you please like Pikeys?
I go out walking and get cyclists in homo-erotic clothes buzzing by me on the path at high speed, and yet I jump in the car and I get cyclists in homo-erotic clothes cycling two abreast at high speed on narrow roads in the road. And now I see homo-erotic cyclists who apparently don't like Golfs making half arsed statements on Golf forums. Man, and I thought society had other problems.....
I'm not anti cyclist by the way, spent my best years on two wheels, it's just the lycra type, I think many have 'issues'.
if its built like any alfa i have driven (any they do actualy drive quite nice) then you will be giving it back in 3 months and cycling to the VW show room.
I think Wayne is very frustrated as he cannot even wear those homo-erotic lycra condoms due to a misshapen physical and mental format. Poor sod.
Some interesting views but we all have different views and it makes the world a less boring place to be, I do not hate Golfs I spent over 5 years working on them and think the mk1 and mk2 are and will always be classics, I owned a mk3 but to me this is the car at which point VW lost direction with what makes a GTI, yes the later cars are ok but I am not keen on them.
To me a mk6 looks too much like a mk5 to be a step forward, if I was in a postion to spend say £25k I would have a shortlist and maybe I am guilty of thinking outside the box but I like the way the Alfa looks however i would look at other options including a Scirocco.
I am 100% not a lycra clad cycling nutter by the way but because of the cycling I do not use the car much hence why I have never spent much on one but carefull buying and selling has now got me a 02 plate car for under £2k which I am happy with.
I hope this helps clear up things.
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My Alfasud was fun to drive. Much better steering than my Mk5 GTI.
VW's seem to have no soul.
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Wayne, my views on certain types of cyclist may be narrow minded but are they any more stupid than some of your negative posts in the mk6 forum? I just made a sweeping statement similar to yours. I do read other parts of this forum but don't post stuff up in other areas because my recent experience isn't of those models so I have little to offer (been driving VWs for over 23 years BTW and a member on here for a good few years), and you seem a helpful guy in other parts of the forum. It's just when you arrive in the mk6 area you and one or two others seem to have a bit of attitude towards these cars. It's not just what you say, more of the vibe you give off.
Okay, so you think mk6s are 'bland to look at' but can you tell me which Golf era wasn't bland aside from the mk1 (the only one that wasn't designed by a comittee)?
In my view the mk6 is no beauty but it does at least have a fairly balanced design in general. The Alfa however looks like a bar of fancy soap from most angles and the front looks as though the stylist got so frustrated with his design he tried cutting it in half with an axe.
And as for a life outside of the forum, why looky here: you've got over 15,000 on golfgtiforum alone.
And a warm welcome back to Nosher. I'm sure I'm not alone in having missed your thinly veneered words of wisdom. :kiss:
I'm sure your Alfasud was great fun to drive old chap, but was it so much fun on the days you had to push it to work? Or when your car cleaning sessions involved merely sweeping up the rust piles that fell off it over night? Still, mk1 Golfs were pretty awful rust buckets back in the day and their steering wasn't much cop either.
VWs may not have soul but plenty are driven by R-souls.
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Good morning everyone.
Just to inform, I owned 5 Alfas. :smile:
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i used to have a 147 and it looked lovely, and the inside was tops - great consumption (was a diesel :laugh:) - however it did go wrong and also in the wet it was like driving a sledge - zero grip, aqua planing all the time and tons of oversteer! kept you on your toes though! i quite like the guilietta, however its no GTI!
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VW over Alfa - Build quality, reliability, resale value.
Alfa over VW - Passion and soul.
I love both brands as does my father and they both have their pro's and con's. He's just gone from a Bora 130 TDI Sport to a GT Blackline. The Bora may have been better built but the alfa is stunning to look at and goes like a scalded cat. The Bors is about to turn 200K and my mum is now running it and I reckon with some TLC it'll do another 200K. I doubt the Alfa will be in as a shape when my Dad's done with it but he doesn't care, everytime he gets in it he grins from ear to ear.
Horses for courses.
Nick
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Alfa is a bit like their national team
-Good looking blokes playing boring football
Vw resemble their German World Cup side
-Ordinary blokes but play fabulous football
I know which one I rather watch or drive!
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I had a Alfa Romeo 159 2.4 JTD out as a courtesy car for a week once.
Driving position was terrible, handling was all over the place., hated it.
If that was passion and sole they can keep it.
I was so pleased to get back to my Golf back.
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That Alfa does look VERY nice :cool: I like lots.
i felt as though they've gone downhill now they're using the GM engines
I thought they used Fiat engines?
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The petrol engines post Twin Spark were GM lumps but as of this year they've ditched the GM ones in favour of in house which is essentially Fiat/Lancia/Alfa developed. Diesels have always been in house AFAIK.
The Fiat group are now producing some of the best engines on the market. Have a look at the new 2 pot fiat engine to be used in the 500 and Punto. Clever little thing whith plenty of power for a town car but insanse MPG as well.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/247787/
Nick
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I love how people are referring to a car that Alfa stopped making 5 years. Has anyone actually driven a new Alfa. I have driven a couple of 159s. Granted you need one with a decent engine, but apart from that it is a very nice place be and a very nice drive, it's no BMW in the handling stakes, but then it isn't as harsh on ride either. As soon as Alfa shake of the stigma attached to them, with their new range I'm sure they will, and the depreciation effect reduces buying one new will be a viable option.
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Wayne:
Get on your bike, NOW.
Err, and that explains why you're on a Golf forum?
You cyclists are a weird bunch, now make your mind up do you now officially cycle on pavements at high speed or are you still supposed to cycle on the roads? Or can you just do as you please like Pikeys?
I go out walking and get cyclists in homo-erotic clothes buzzing by me on the path at high speed, and yet I jump in the car and I get cyclists in homo-erotic clothes cycling two abreast at high speed on narrow roads in the road. And now I see homo-erotic cyclists who apparently don't like Golfs making half arsed statements on Golf forums. Man, and I thought society had other problems.....
I'm not anti cyclist by the way, spent my best years on two wheels, it's just the lycra type, I think many have 'issues'.
if its built like any alfa i have driven (any they do actualy drive quite nice) then you will be giving it back in 3 months and cycling to the VW show room.
I think Wayne is very frustrated as he cannot even wear those homo-erotic lycra condoms due to a misshapen physical and mental format. Poor sod.
Some interesting views but we all have different views and it makes the world a less boring place to be, I do not hate Golfs I spent over 5 years working on them and think the mk1 and mk2 are and will always be classics, I owned a mk3 but to me this is the car at which point VW lost direction with what makes a GTI, yes the later cars are ok but I am not keen on them.
To me a mk6 looks too much like a mk5 to be a step forward, if I was in a postion to spend say £25k I would have a shortlist and maybe I am guilty of thinking outside the box but I like the way the Alfa looks however i would look at other options including a Scirocco.
I am 100% not a lycra clad cycling nutter by the way but because of the cycling I do not use the car much hence why I have never spent much on one but carefull buying and selling has now got me a 02 plate car for under £2k which I am happy with.
I hope this helps clear up things.
It might look somewhat like a MK5 but you are missing the point if you think it should be radically different [What would you consider to be a step forward anyway?]. The GTI has a lineage which has continuity, making it look completely different would not be in keeping. I've not owned a MK5 but from what I've read the MK6 is a lot better in many ways which are not apparent from just looking at it. I also wholeheartedly disagree that it is boring and bland to look at [Not said by you I know] The styling is subtley classy, I never walk away from mine without having a look back to admire it and I get lots of admiring glances from passers by.
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That Alfa does look VERY nice :cool: I like lots.
i felt as though they've gone downhill now they're using the GM engines
I thought they used Fiat engines?
I think they've gone back to Fiat with the MultiAir and TBI engines, but the 2.2i on the 159/Brera was out of a Vectra.
The last real Alfa V6 was in the GT, but the 159/Brera V6 was a GM unit with absolutely no character whatsoever.
Its unlikely that they will ever put another V6 in again due to emissions (exactly what VW have done with the R32 - MkVI R)
What a shame!
They do look damn good though! EVO magazine actually say the smaller engined Guilietta with 170bhp has a better balanced chassis than the 230bhp Cloverleaf!
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Another from AutoExpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/256966/giulietta_cloverleaf_vs_golf_gti.html?CMP=NLC-Newsletters&uid=8ce50d5bf2602b0f04c2949d5b5c08bc
Is it me or is that Alfa f**king ugly?
Nope not just you. That's a hiddeous ba5tard.
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Its that tall fat baldy Jeremy Clarkson effect---every Italian car got soul and passion. German cars are cars made for accountant!
Alfa 'used' to have soul and passion before they stick diesel engine in their cars!
The only proper Alfa is the 8c and 6 cylinder 159
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I would just like to stress that when the alfa turned up as a courtesy car i was over the moon. Looked great, very nice inside!
However after just a few days after driving it i noticed the following...]
Electric windows would go all the way down but stick half way
Electric window buttons were soooo stiff i had to use two fingers
Wipers didnt clean all of the screen
2.GTD had the most shocking economy 22mpg... on a diesel??? whats the point!
put a can in the drinks holder and you can no longer operate the stereo :shocked:
very poor visibility out of the rear of the GT
boot would never open automatically.. you have to get your nails under the gap to open it.
window/side mirror switches are located so far back you have to pull over and get out to use them
awful quality of buttons
using the air con is a joke... i could fart a less tempramental climate
so yes they look good.... but at a price :wink:
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My brother works for an alfa dalership so i get to drive them all and see how they are built and hear about any faults :wink:
Not alot wrong with alot of them imo. Why do you think GM begged for there desiel engines and VW finally gave in to fiat and paid them rights to use common rail deisel technology.
The giulietta has alot of details most owners will not notice. Theres sound damping pads on the insides of the wings for example. (not the water logged sponges VW USE!!) Fully painted panels etc :grin: that new 1750 engine is a peach and alot of equipment standard the golf should really have too.
Yes it does not have the touchy feely plastics that the current crop of VWs use but just take a stroll through the mk4 forum to finds out how those last. :grin:
Anyone that thinks modern VWs even know the real meening of build quality don't have a clue what that actually meens... You should see the state of the cars coming off transporters that VW factory class as QC passed.. there shocking...
PS when alfa had a red paint problem with stone chips they retrofitted stone guard film to the cars and stopped manufacturing the colour and offered people who had orders in the system a metallic red instead free of charge. What do VW do when they had similar paint issues... :grin:
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^^^ yes but VW make money :laugh:
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We replaced our Alfa 159 V6 Q4 Auto Lusso with the Mercedes C Class 350 CDI Sport March 22 this year. The GTi arrived the same day.
The Alfa never went wrong even once but its fuel consumption was dreadful. It was just as well made as a premium German make. However, the Mercedes is a far superior car and is perfectly made. Completely faultless unlike the GTi.
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We replaced our Alfa 159 V6 Q4 Auto Lusso with the Mercedes C Class 350 CDI Sport March 22 this year. The GTi arrived the same day.
The Alfa never went wrong even once but it's fuel consumption was dreadful. It was just as well made as a premium German make. However, the Mercedes is a far superior car and is perfectly made. Completely faultless unlike the GTi.
I've never liked Mercs at all, but i'm really starting to like the new ones. The C-Class Sport you have there am1w looks brilliant, as does the new E-Class (even though i think the alloys look too small in the arches), the E-Coupe and the SLS - Amazing looking machines!
However, I am a BMW man and i think i would still have a 335d - amazing engine! Just a shame they still insist on using those awful run-flats!
Im glad Alfa have ditched the GM engines and hope they can restore some of the soul as listed below:
I would just like to stress that when the alfa turned up as a courtesy car i was over the moon. Looked great, very nice inside!
However after just a few days after driving it i noticed the following...]
Electric windows would go all the way down but stick half way
Electric window buttons were soooo stiff i had to use two fingers
Wipers didnt clean all of the screen
2.GTD had the most shocking economy 22mpg... on a diesel??? whats the point!
put a can in the drinks holder and you can no longer operate the stereo :shocked:
very poor visibility out of the rear of the GT
boot would never open automatically.. you have to get your nails under the gap to open it.
window/side mirror switches are located so far back you have to pull over and get out to use them
awful quality of buttons
using the air con is a joke... i could fart a less tempramental climate
so yes they look good.... but at a price :wink:
^^^ Passion and soul displayed perfectly! After 3 months you would be smitten!
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Oh, the Merc is fully loaded! :smiley:
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I would just like to stress that when the alfa turned up as a courtesy car i was over the moon. Looked great, very nice inside!
However after just a few days after driving it i noticed the following...]
Electric windows would go all the way down but stick half way
Electric window buttons were soooo stiff i had to use two fingers
Wipers didnt clean all of the screen
2.GTD had the most shocking economy 22mpg... on a diesel??? whats the point!
put a can in the drinks holder and you can no longer operate the stereo :shocked:
very poor visibility out of the rear of the GT
boot would never open automatically.. you have to get your nails under the gap to open it.
window/side mirror switches are located so far back you have to pull over and get out to use them
awful quality of buttons
using the air con is a joke... i could fart a less tempramental climate
so yes they look good.... but at a price :wink:
With respect the GT was a very poor car in both design and build yes it looked good but Alfa ha no money and it was nearly the end, only did they turn the corner with Fiat and Gm help were they able to launch the Brera, 159 and Mito which are much better.
We replaced our Alfa 159 V6 Q4 Auto Lusso with the Mercedes C Class 350 CDI Sport March 22 this year. The GTi arrived the same day.
The Alfa never went wrong even once but its fuel consumption was dreadful. It was just as well made as a premium German make. However, the Mercedes is a far superior car and is perfectly made. Completely faultless unlike the GTi.
So you buy a 4wd V6 automatic petrol and say it's mpg is poor
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Wayne:
Why are you so vile?
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Wayne:
Why are you so vile?
I am not, sorry but I cannot believe anyone would buy a 4wd V6 automatic and then say it has poor mpg.
Please do not refer to me as vile again, was only raising a point.
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I think wayne raised a pari point. You can hardly by a v6 awd auto car and expect it to return good mpg.
Wayne: My old man's GT seems to be really well screwed together and drives great. It is a 57 plate blackline though so they may have improved them over the earlier ones. It does have the 147 dash which is bit cheap feeling but it looks the dogs from the drivers seat.
Nick
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I think wayne raised a pari point. You can hardly by a v6 awd auto car and expect it to return good mpg.
Wayne: My old man's GT seems to be really well screwed together and drives great. It is a 57 plate blackline though so they may have improved them over the earlier ones. It does have the 147 dash which is bit cheap feeling but it looks the dogs from the drivers seat.
Nick
Yes later ones were a lot better, late 55 plate was when Fiat started helping the funds so to speak.
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I love it:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/3410301800_cfac9b0268.jpg?v=0)
Just needs a 20 - 30mm drop.
nick
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I love it:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/3410301800_cfac9b0268.jpg?v=0)
Just needs a 20 - 30mm drop.
nick
Looks lush :cool:
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I looked at the Giulietta as part of my car research before the Golf
The PR photos looked nice - made me go and see one in the showroom but in the flesh i didn't like it at all - not Fugly but not as nice as the photos- which left me disappointed.
The feel of the controls and interior also didn't make me warm to the car either - hence why I'm here!!
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The PR photos looked nice - made me go and see one in the showroom but in the flesh i didn't like it at all -
My wife was desperate for the Mito after seeing a billboard advert and then looking it up on the Alfa site. I must admit I thought it looked quite smart.
We went to the showroom and it looked like a completely different car!!! Couldn't believe the difference.
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when I was looking for a replacement for the Subaru, the 3 cars on the list was a Alfa 159 V6 manual (2yrs old, 20,000km) a Focus XR5 (ST in the UK) and the GTI, all of them around the same price about $42,000 (AUD). The Alfa was almost $70k AUD new.
The Alfa looked and sounded gorgeous, although the back seat was cramped. My dad had Alfa 2000 Berlina, back in the late 70's and the engine note on that was something special, although it did need an engine rebuild at 40,000 miles.
The Focus had a great engine note but the GTI's interior was much, much classier. We didn't buy the Alfa because of the concerns of high running costs and parts prices. The Focus although slightly better equipped than the GTI (bluetooth and leather) just felt a class below the GTI in finish, but certainly had a nicer engine note.
My wife's comment was that the boy racer had finally grown up and finally bought a 'sensible' performance car.
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I had three new Alfa's on the trot:
97 GTV, 01 GTV and 06 Brera
I had /issues/ with all three. The final straw with the Brera was the local authorised dealer was completely cack and I refused to make a 2.5 hour round trip every time for a service/warranty work.
Ava
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Don't know about cars but they make great logos :grin:
(http://i.i.tsatic-cdn.net/modules/forum/customavatars/avatar104502_1.gif)
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Don't know about cars but they make great logos :grin:
(http://i.i.tsatic-cdn.net/modules/forum/customavatars/avatar104502_1.gif)
Now that is funny :grin:
Oh btw...one man's meat is anothers poison...as they say. I can see the appeal of Alfas and I understand the 'understated' looks of the Golf MKVI, one of the reasons I got one! Everyone to their own and just all enjoy...whatever. :nerd:
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Yes, how appropriate. The snout on this Alfa is teats-up. :sick:
That car needs all the bounce it can get. :sad:
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I find the alfa is very colour sensitive. Its growing on me though. :wink: but maybe because we are looking for another family car and theres not many choices out there. Some people just like borring bland committee designed euro boxes.