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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: fordie on 15 August 2003, 09:23
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Hi All
I've been looking for a nice retro car which I could sometimes take on trackdays and have finally decided to go for a Golf GTi and spend about 750
I can't find a nice MK1 for that money, but there are a lot of 2's for that including a couple of 16vs
What's everyones opinions? 8v or 16v . I kear that the 8 is better low down, but everyone I speak to really rates the 16.
Also, anything in particular I should look for on the 16 opposed to the 8?
Is there a huge difference in insurance. Not that it should matter now I'm over 30 :(
Thanks
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Oh no not this question again :P
The insurance is a couple of groups different but not enough to make a buying decision on.
**dangerous opinion alert**
the 16v will be more fun on the track because you are likely to be keeping the revs a lot higher.
remember the 16v needs leaded petrol unless you are going to pay 400 ish for the vsam ignition thing
jv
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jv
Sorry ;D I went threought the forum afterwards and found a few more threads like this. Novice schoolboy error Ha ha!!.
I've heard about the 4 star prob before and needing some special kit. Can you still run them on Super U/L with an additive with no bad effects?
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Hello mate your better off getting an 8v for ?750 a 16v for that money wont be very good. I use shell optimax in my 16v pain in the arse car. I would rather have a 8v than a 16v you have to rev the tits off them to get them going fast. 8)
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The 16v doesn't need leaded petrol, it needs high octane fuel (98 RON). The best to use is optimax, the 8v (k-jet not digifant) also needs the high octane stuff. You can use LRP but i've been told the engines don't like it. There is no comparison between the 8 and 16v, the 16v wipes the floor with the 8v every time.
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True...
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here we go again... light the touch paper and stand well back ::)
jv
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Its an age old debate about what engine is better, the 16V performs better than the 8V on all counts and thats gospel. The reason why people like the 8V is because it doesnt have to revved to get the performance out of it, so it "feels" like its better to drive. Also a smaller engined car is more likely to be driven nearer its limits so you feel like your going faster and having more fun.
I have a 16V and when going slow it feels the same as any other golf because your not taking advantage of the increased breathing capabilities but when you bury the throttle joining a motorway on the slip road it flies, its what a 16V is about, getting on cam and smiling as you launch past everything else.
GOLF VR6 is correct when he says all golfs should run on high octane fuel to get the best out of them. The ignition can be retarded on the 8V to use low octane unleaded but the 16V cant be retarded. Both cars will respond well to K-star.
As JV rightly said the 16V will be an excellent track day tool, it will be used at the rev ranges it loves and you will enjoy the experience more. I would have a decent road car for everyday driving and get a cheap 16V purely for track days, a cheap car to mess around on, to tinker with and hone. Also its probably better as explaining to the wife why the car is written off make take some doing.
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8v wiv 2l bottom end ;D
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The 8v has bags more torque lower down and so sprinting off the lights is good as the sprint to about 50 when the 16 valver will appear and then beat you by nearly a second to 60. When you are actualy accelerating to 60 the 8valver seems like the more rewarding car to drive and copes with hills better but that 16 valver screams around in 3rd nicely and will cost more in the long run to to the higher revs needed to shift around.
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The 8v does not have loads more torque lower down than the 16v, this is a popular myth. The truth is the 8 and 16v are pretty much the same up to 4000, then the 16v keeps going while the 8v runs out of steam.
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yeah, but who really gices a stuff about torque anyway?
if i want torque, i'll buy a tractor.
Tin
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The myth about 8v having loads more torque low down than the 16v , this is what 8v owners like to tell themselves to make them feel better when they have been beaten by yet another 16v. The ONLY way the 8v will have more torque lower down is to put a larger block in.
Last year when i was looking for a 16v or vr6, a garage told me to buy an 8v cos it is actually quicker lower down, what a load of bullsh!t!! , and i told him so!!
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I drove an 8v and a 16v before lumping for the 8v (Insurance mainly) and the 8v was definately quicker off the mark but feels a bit twitchy on the throttle compared to the 16v The 16v doesnt take long at all to cruise past but has to be thrashed to get the most out of it. When I first drove the 16v I actually had to ask if it was a GTI until the owner told me to plant it, made me smile like a fool when it hit 4k.... Still might get meself a 16 valver as I do motorways every day....
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I assume you are talking about mk2s. I've drove 8v scirrocco, 8v mk2 golf and 16v mk2 golf. I think the 8v engine isn't up to much in the mk2 but was very good in the mk1 golf and scirrocco. The 16v is only good if you boot it, but that is all part of the fun. The 8v in the mk3 was completely hopeless, i won't even bother saying anything about the mk4..
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The best engine in the k-jet series was the ke-motronic fitted to the passat and corrado. This 2.0 16v engine was fitted to the mk2 golf in america, unfortunately it was weighed down with all the emissions equipment. The 2.0 engine had much more torque lower down than the 1.8, so allround it was a better drive.
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The 16v is only good if you boot it
yeah, duh. isn't that the point though? ;-)
Tin
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Pretty much yeah
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i've got an 8v and a 16v,around the town the 8v is great,but on the open road you can't beat the 16v,awesome!!!!!!!
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16v - 8v = 27bhp, says it all really!
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The 16V on the motorway is awesome compared to the 8V and in all honesty you cant boot any car round town these days with speed cameras and cops with hand held gatsos.
The best bet is to do what GOLF VR6 said and get a 2 litre 16V in a MK2 GOLF as this overcomes the low down "torque" problems.
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Everyone goes on about the 8v having torque, what torque? If i remember right i think the 8v only had about 105lbs per ft, not a lot is it? :-* :-*
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all of you out there.....get over it!!!!!!! Who cares!!! Drive what you can afford and within the law!!!!!
p.s. 8v is my choice ;D
I bet all you 16v drivers wish you had a 8v when your engine needs attention...my mate spends big money on his 16v and my engines parts are signifcantly cheaper
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p.s. 8v is my choice
I bet all you 16v drivers wish you had a 8v when your engine needs attention...my mate spends big money on his 16v and my engines parts are signifcantly cheaper
buy a porsche, expect porsche prices. its a price i think is worth paying to be honest.
Tin
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Not really no, DIY a lot cheaper.
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Cheaper repairs, loads of low down torque , gotta get an 8v :-*