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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: david25 on 04 September 2010, 15:04
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Hi everyone, I'm still pondering the choice between the factory 17" and 18" wheels...
One question, is there a difference in suspension setup made when the factory build a 17" or 18" inch car?
I remember reading somewhere that ETKA does indicate a difference.
I would like to know so that I can swop wheels without worring about the car looking too low/high or paying for yet another suspension alignment.
Does anyone have a definitive answer?
Many thanks
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The 17's look a bit drab TBH, 18's are perfect even better with ACC :cool:
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No but from what I have read the 17s handle better
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No but from what I have read the 17s handle better
Think your splitting hairs now :smiley:
Not with ACC in sport mode!!
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If you got a racing licence like Michael Schumacher, you can tell which one handles better
Even an OAP can tell the difference in ride quality between the two (17s in comfort mode rides better than most Beemers!)
Unless you are blind 18s look better than 17s!
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If you got a racing licence like Michael Schumacher, you can tell which one handles better
Even an OAP can tell the difference in ride quality between the two (17s in comfort mode rides better than most Beemers!)
Unless you are blind 18s look better than 17s!
What he says^^^^^ :grin:
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No but from what I have read the 17s handle better
Think your splitting hairs now :smiley:
Not with ACC in sport mode!!
Sport mode just makes it hard very hard. Try going down an English country road in sport mode at a reasonable pace and the wheels spend more time skipping and not in contact with the poor road surface. Normal is much better and adapts to the road surface much better. People often seem to have this idea harder is better its not the case in real life imo on smooth roads maybe, but how many of them do we have?. Theres many a car i have ruled out due to certain back roads i regular travel they just become uncontrolled as there suspension is too hard.
17s were faster on the mk5 according to evo(iirc) mag track test no idea about on the mk6. But the mk6 imo with standard suspension is harder than the mk5 was.
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No but from what I have read the 17s handle better
Think your splitting hairs now :smiley:
Not with ACC in sport mode!!
Sport mode just makes it hard very hard. Try going down an English country road in sport mode at a reasonable pace and the wheels spend more time skipping and not in contact with the road. Normal is much better and adapts to the road surface.
17s were faster on the mk5 according to evo(iirc) mag track test no idea about on the mk6. But the mk6 imo with standard suspension is harder than the mk5 was.
On my motor Snoops sport mode improves the handling by far, just trying to get my point over about 17's to 18's and handling diffirance mate with Acc of course :wink:
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ACC in normal mode adapts the dampers to the road conditions and uses its range of adjustment. Comfort or sport setting just sets it at its extremes iirc. (excluding how it changes the steering weight too).
ACC imo is a complicated, but to most people also a worth while option.
I found that 18s gave steering kickback on roads i drive.
To answer the original question im not sure. I too remember a difference back in 2005 of the mk5 iirc. I remember a debait about it as someone on an american forum started a question about it on a uk forum. It had something to do with bumpstops IIRC. I remember the arguments :grin:
It would not suprise me if the mk6 just has a single setup, to reduce the amount of parts and costs especially as there is the ACC option on the mk6.
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Sport mode just makes it hard very hard. Try going down an English country road in sport mode at a reasonable pace and the wheels spend more time skipping and not in contact with the poor road surface. Normal is much better and adapts to the road surface much better. People often seem to have this idea harder is better its not the case in real life imo on smooth roads maybe, but how many of them do we have?.
This is true...it is often too hard to make smooth progress...
However, find a smooth twisty road (yes they do exist) and try Sport, and not only is wheel control more finely controlled, but the electro-hydraulic steering setting is adjusted to give a sharper turn in...so much that it's fairly easy to get the rear end moving about.
It's far more rewarding a drive is Sport...just too harsh for many roads.
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I found that 18s gave steering kickback on roads i drive.
I wonder how much of this is down to wheel/tyre weight?
I notice no adverse differences going from 18s to 19s, with lightweight 19" wheels....certainly no additional kickback over what I'd expect on the likes of a GTI anyway.
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On my motor Snoops sport mode improves the handling by far, just trying to get my point over about 17's to 18's and handling diffirance mate with Acc of course :wink:
Does it improve handling in reality? As in faster corner speeds, more grip etc?
I doubt it since the tyre widths are the same.
Or does it improve feel, and your perception of handling?
At the end of the day, a car that feels better planted, moren stable and 'better handling' will be griven faster...it's the confidence factor....if no suspension differences exist, then the difference is mostly down to feel/perception.
If really pushed to extremes, ultimate grip must be very similar, with a more progressive break-away given by the 17s...but the 18s will likely feel more planed right up to the point the grip runs out.
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As said above even if it does increase cornering speeds you would be talking only ~5mph imo from fine adjusting suspension in my youth. Its the feel/confidence that changes so much.
To the original poster, It sounds like you want to upgrade wheels later on.
The monza Shadows (18" wheel option) can sell for decent money so my recomendation would be go for the 18" wheels and then sell them later, you will have no problem selling them.
The suspension height and settings, camber/caster/toe etc im sure are the same for either wheels anyway.
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Thanks for all the responses.
I would personally prefer 17" but all the second hand GTI's I am looking at have 18"...
So, I'd still like to know so that I can swop wheels without worring about the car looking too low/high or paying for yet another suspension alignment (on the UK's moon like roads).
PS this would also help reduce the cost of winters tyres because my tyre shop will store summer tyres, thus I dont need a another set of winter rims.
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As said above even if it does increase cornering speeds you would be talking only ~5mph imo fine adjusting suspension in my youth. Its the feel/confidence that changes so much.
Certainly, for most people, the feel is what defines 'better handling'...very few are able to deconstruct the information coming back into bump/rebound settings...and even less go down the road of taking tyre temperatures to sort out pressures and camber!
I don't fully follow regarding suspension changes though:
Are you suggesting ant suspension changed applied at the factory for 17" vs 18" wheels would be worth 5 MPH cornering speed at best?
That ACC could be worth 5 MPH cornering speed at best?
Or that any suspension upgrades will only be worth 5 MPH cornering speed at best?
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To the original poster, It sounds like you want to upgrade wheels later on.
The monza Shadows (18" wheel option) can sell for decent money so my recomendation would be go for the 18" wheels and then sell them later, you will have no problem selling them.
The suspension height and settings, camber/caster/toe etc im sure are the same for either wheels anyway.
Yes, I may want to downgrade to 17" (looks are not important to me).
Are we sure the suspension height and settings, camber/caster/toe are the same for either wheels???
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Thanks for all the responses.
So, I'd still like to know so that I can swop wheels without worring about the car looking too low/high or paying for yet another suspension alignment (on the UK's moon like roads).
Yes, you can swap, no problems.
But it may look higher - more of a perceived arch gap with the smaller sidewall of the 18" tyre...so look more 'odd'.
You certainly won't need to re-align.
PS this would also help reduce the cost of winters tyres because my tyre shop will store summer tyres, thus I dont need a another set of winter rims.
What's the plan...18" in summer and 17" in winter?
If so, very sensible...and a perfect proposal.
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Are we sure the suspension height and settings, camber/caster/toe are the same for either wheels???
Pretty sure...
The dealer will swap wheels if you push them hard enough...and they sure as hell don't re-align.
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I originally drove a GTi MK6 with ACC on 17" wheels. It had a superb ride in 'normal' mode and the handling was excellent. In 'comfort' mode it had that magic carpet ride. Did not try 'sport' mode.
I ordered my car with 18" wheels primarily for their superb looks and there is no doubt in my mind that it cannot replicate that original test drive which made me choose the Golf GTi.
Looks do sell sometimes at the expense of ride and handling!
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Thanks for all the responses.
I would personally prefer 17" but all the second hand GTI's I am looking at have 18"...
So, I'd still like to know so that I can swop wheels without worring about the car looking too low/high or paying for yet another suspension alignment (on the UK's moon like roads).
PS this would also help reduce the cost of winters tyres because my tyre shop will store summer tyres, thus I dont need a another set of winter rims.
Many people including dealers have swopped from the 17s from a factory order to the 18s for customers. I have never seen or heard anyone needing suspension settings changed.
On the mk5's there was an issue with a wheel arch screw been rubbed under extreme braking (emergency stops)when going from 17" monza wheels to the 18" monzaII wheels which is why the discussion back then started about there was a bumpstop change between the setting at the factory. I have not heard this about the mk6 at all yet.
Your wanting to go the other way 18s to 17s so there will be no problem at all.
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Are we sure the suspension height and settings, camber/caster/toe are the same for either wheels???
Pretty sure...
The dealer will swap wheels if you push them hard enough...and they sure as hell don't re-align.
That sounds interesting, has anyone actually managed this?
I'd expect the dealer to say:
1. take it or leave it
2. we can't do that sir, we sell cars not wheels
3. yes, that will be £2000
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As said above even if it does increase cornering speeds you would be talking only ~5mph imo fine adjusting suspension in my youth. Its the feel/confidence that changes so much.
Certainly, for most people, the feel is what defines 'better handling'...very few are able to deconstruct the information coming back into bump/rebound settings...and even less go down the road of taking tyre temperatures to sort out pressures and camber!
I don't fully follow regarding suspension changes though:
What i was trying to say (im hopless at explaining myself in text sorry for confusing you) is that ruffly speaking basic suspension tuning on road cars like these from experience of playing on circuits and test tracks at manufacturers in my youth equated to a max speed increase in cornering speed of less than 10%.
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Thanks for all the responses.
So, I'd still like to know so that I can swop wheels without worring about the car looking too low/high or paying for yet another suspension alignment (on the UK's moon like roads).
Yes, you can swap, no problems.
But it may look higher - more of a perceived arch gap with the smaller sidewall of the 18" tyre...so look more 'odd'.
You certainly won't need to re-align.
PS this would also help reduce the cost of winters tyres because my tyre shop will store summer tyres, thus I dont need a another set of winter rims.
What's the plan...18" in summer and 17" in winter?
If so, very sensible...and a perfect proposal.
I don't care about looking odd, I run a Mark 6 (GT160) with 17" at the moment and think it looks good.
The plan is:
- Buy GTI
- Get some genuine 17" on it
- For summer/winter running use the same wheels are my tyre shop will store the other set of tyres
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Are we sure the suspension height and settings, camber/caster/toe are the same for either wheels???
Pretty sure...
The dealer will swap wheels if you push them hard enough...and they sure as hell don't re-align.
That sounds interesting, has anyone actually managed this?
I'd expect the dealer to say:
1. take it or leave it
2. we can't do that sir, we sell cars not wheels
3. yes, that will be £2000
On a brand new one yes i have seen it a couple of times.
Theres a lad on here with a black one i nearly bought from stock and he got the dealer to fit the 18" wheels on it as part of his deal. (It had the 17s on it)
But my advice would be get the one with the 18s on and if you don't want them sell them. (will be asy to sell them)
Theres loads of the monza 17" alloys for sale out there but not many 18" ones.
Especially as alot of the mk5 boys want 18s and so are selling there 17s to 'upgrade'.
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On a brand new one yes i have seen it a couple of times.
Theres a lad on here with a black one i nearly bought from stock and he got the dealer to fit the 18" wheels on it as part of his deal. (It had the 17s on it)
But my advice would be get the one with the 18s on and if you don't want them sell them. (will be asy to sell them)
Theres loads of the monza 17" alloys for sale out there but not many 18" ones.
Especially as alot of the mk5 boys want 18s and so are selling there 17s to 'upgrade'.
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Many thanks, time to contact the dealer again.
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Is it a used one or a new car from stock your after?
As it maybe worth asking your dealer to search VWs stock as there maybe some with 17" wheels around.
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Just realised that Penguin has 17" Monzas. I wonder if he has ACC?
Be a good person to ask.
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Just realised that Penguin has 17" Monzas. I wonder if he has ACC?
Be a good person to ask.
Its amazing how its hard to tell with black wheels isn't it :lipsrsealed:
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Is it a used one or a new car from stock your after?
As it maybe worth asking your dealer to search VWs stock as there maybe some with 17" wheels around.
Its a used one, all the cars with my spec (or close to) have 18" damn it!
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Is it a used one or a new car from stock your after?
As it maybe worth asking your dealer to search VWs stock as there maybe some with 17" wheels around.
Its a used one, all the cars with my spec (or close to) have 18" damn it!
David, buy one with 18". The car is more saleable then. Just make sure you have ACC with them. Sorted! :smiley:
Oh, Rolfe has 17"+ACC me thinks. :smiley:
PM her and offer her a mallard! :evil:
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What i was trying to say (im hopless at explaining myself in text sorry for confusing you) is that ruffly speaking basic suspension tuning on road cars like these from experience of playing on circuits and test tracks at manufacturers in my youth equated to a max speed increase in cornering speed of less than 10%.
I think that's being slightly unfair...it's entirely possible to achieve 10-15 MPH gains in corner speed, or 20% (speed depandant)...but as cars get better, and chassis more sorted from the factory, the relative gains get less.
Lots of factors to consider...and aiming for outright corner speed is always going to cost you elsewhere (braking stability, traction out of corners, wet weather ability etc)
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Is it a used one or a new car from stock your after?
As it maybe worth asking your dealer to search VWs stock as there maybe some with 17" wheels around.
Its a used one, all the cars with my spec (or close to) have 18" damn it!
David, buy one with 18". The car is more saleable then. Just make sure you have ACC with them. Sorted! :smiley:
Yep, I understand 18" will be more saleable, but the 17" are just more practical for my daily drive and conditions.
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Is it a used one or a new car from stock your after?
As it maybe worth asking your dealer to search VWs stock as there maybe some with 17" wheels around.
Its a used one, all the cars with my spec (or close to) have 18" damn it!
David, buy one with 18". The car is more saleable then. Just make sure you have ACC with them. Sorted! :smiley:
Yep, I understand 18" will be more saleable, but the 17" are just more practical for my daily drive and conditions.
I presume you live in the UK and not in deepest Africa! :rolleyes:
18" are fine in this country. :smiley:
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Ok just to clarify...
Mine was delivered with 17" wheels which I then swapped to 18". No difference in ride what so ever.
17" are faster than 18" only due to the differences in unsprung weight.
Have driven a mk5 with 19" wheels and found the ride better/more planted than with 18".
Alot of the effects people experience is due to the change in weight of the wheels... not the size.
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18's are a must imo asthetically....
Can I suggest buying the car with the 18's and then picking up a set of 17's off ebay or somewhere for the winter if you feel the need ( your find loads of genuine cheap sets of these on ebay mainly because people are selling them on to buy 18's ) :wink:
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18's are a must imo asthetically....
Can I suggest buying the car with the 18's and then picking up a set of 17's of ebay or somewhere for the winter if you feel the need ( your find loads of genuine cheap sets of these on ebay mainly because people are selling them on to buy 18's ) :wink:
Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
To put it very basically as this might do the trick!
17" wheels = big dick and small balls = wrong :sad:
18" wheels = big dick with big balls = perfectly right :smiley:
19" wheels = no comment :rolleyes:
:laugh:
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Is it a used one or a new car from stock your after?
As it maybe worth asking your dealer to search VWs stock as there maybe some with 17" wheels around.
Its a used one, all the cars with my spec (or close to) have 18" damn it!
David, buy one with 18". The car is more saleable then. Just make sure you have ACC with them. Sorted! :smiley:
Yep, I understand 18" will be more saleable, but the 17" are just more practical for my daily drive and conditions.
I presume you live in the UK and not in deepest Africa! :rolleyes:
18" are fine in this country. :smiley:
Yep, I'm in the UK. Although half the roads on my work commute are B-roads that have a moonscape appearance.
They are also not gritted in winter, hence my change over to winter tyres.
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18's are a must imo asthetically....
Can I suggest buying the car with the 18's and then picking up a set of 17's of ebay or somewhere for the winter if you feel the need ( your find loads of genuine cheap sets of these on ebay mainly because people are selling them on to buy 18's ) :wink:
Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
To put it very basically as this might do the trick!
17" wheels = big dick and small balls = wrong :sad:
18" wheels = big dick with big balls = perfectly right :smiley:
19" wheels = no comment :rolleyes:
:laugh:
OK, the buy another set of wheels is a good option. Plus we seem to have to conclusion about no changes in the the suspension setup between the two sizes.
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18's are a must imo asthetically....
Can I suggest buying the car with the 18's and then picking up a set of 17's of ebay or somewhere for the winter if you feel the need ( your find loads of genuine cheap sets of these on ebay mainly because people are selling them on to buy 18's ) :wink:
Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
To put it very basically as this might do the trick!
17" wheels = big dick and small balls = wrong :sad:
18" wheels = big dick with big balls = perfectly right :smiley:
19" wheels = no comment :rolleyes:
:laugh:
OK, the buy another set of wheels is a good option. Plus we seem to have to conclusion about no changes in the the suspension setup between the two sizes.
yep :wink:
I will also gladly swap you my 17" wheels for your new 18" monza II's :grin:
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18" look better.
17" are more comfortable (think about it - they must be), cheaper (to buy and to replace tyres) and faster. Also less problems with kerbing and white worm
It depends what you want.
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18" look better.
17" are more comfortable (think about it - they must be), cheaper (to buy and to replace tyres) and faster.
I don't feel the term 'faster' can be used in this way.
Faster how?
Faster top speed - no.
Faster accellerating? Possibly...but if the rolling radius remains the same, it's unlikely anyone would notice.
Faster on the road? That comes down to feel and confidence for most of us...and I'd suggest most will feel the car is faster point to point on 18s.
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Ok just to clarify...
Mine was delivered with 17" wheels which I then swapped to 18". No difference in ride what so ever.
Gilly, just realised you were going to post pictures of your 'new' wheels a couple of weeks ago. :wink:
Ah, just seen your signature! I did guess they were Audi split-rims at some stage! :grin:
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I found that 18s gave steering kickback on roads i drive.
I wonder how much of this is down to wheel/tyre weight?
I notice no adverse differences going from 18s to 19s, with lightweight 19" wheels....certainly no additional kickback over what I'd expect on the likes of a GTI anyway.
We have discussed the wheel weights previously :smiley:
BBS Monza 17" = 11.16Kg
BBS Monza II 18" = 12Kg
VWR 19" = 13.09Kg
Well, my scales must read differently to yours...I got:
12.55Kg for a single bare VWR wheel (19")
11.25Kg for a single bare BBS CH (18")
12.7Kg for a single bare Monza (18") but made by Ronal, not BBS.
Maybe the BBS/Ronal difference is in the weight?
The 17 and 18 were not measured by me they were measured by redrobin on freshly calibrated measuring scales.
The VWR wheel is a quoted weight from the manufacturer.
I can only comment on what I weighed, in my garage.
I was surprised to find the VWR wheel lighter than their site said...and the comparitive weights for the Ronal Monza and BBS CH were only what I weighed, on my digital bathroom scales, in my garage.
You do realise your talking about 0.7KG(~1.5Lbs) or less difference (either way) between your figures and the ones i quoted, and your talking bathroom scales not proper calibrated measuring scales.
So its really a pointless discussion.
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My opinon echos what's generally been agreed on here.
Buy a car with 18s on. Get a cheap set of Monza 17s to run over winter with the appropriate rated tyres.
Where the 17s may look fine on a GT model with its standard bumpers, the GTI has big fat bumpers that look a bit silly with small wheels. Askers meat and two veg analogy sums it up pefectly.
18s are a must on MK6 GTIs.
Penguin's 17s just about get away with it as they're black (but would look a lot better with 10mm spacers on the back IMO :wink: )
I bought my GTI with 17s, it wasn't a planned act as such; I just got a good deal on it (ex-demo). When I got it home I hid it away in the garage for two weeks until I had time to put my 18''ers on that I had in storage waiting. Sorry, but it just doesn't look like a £25k+ car with the plain jane standard silver Monzas on. The Monza Shadows are like diamond earrings and just add a touch of class as well as visually balancing the lines of the car out.
So in a basic answer to your original question: f**k knows, but if there is a difference it won't be big enough to make a hint of difference how the car drives in normal road conditions if you change your wheels.
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Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
To put it very basically as this might do the trick!
17" wheels = big dick and small balls = wrong :sad:
18" wheels = big dick with big balls = perfectly right :smiley:
19" wheels = no comment :rolleyes:
You may find its mainly only men who need big wheels maybe its to make up for short cummings elsewere :smug:
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Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
To put it very basically as this might do the trick!
17" wheels = big dick and small balls = wrong :sad:
18" wheels = big dick with big balls = perfectly right :smiley:
19" wheels = no comment :rolleyes:
You may find its mainly only men who need big wheels maybe its to make up for short cummings elsewere :smug:
I need 20s in that case....... :lipsrsealed:
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Is that a gun you've got in your pocket or I you just pleased to see me? :grin:
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Man who specced 17''ers:
(http://www.thecastlecloset.com/i/AccessoriesOthe/Codpiece.jpg)
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We have discussed the wheel weights previously :smiley:
Oh yes, hence my comments...
Anyone that can tell a 1Kg difference per wheel/Tyre, on a 1500Kg car with 210+ and oodles of torque, is a better man than me.
I'd always aim for as light a wheel as possible, and keep the rolling radius as close as you can...after that, it's down to feel/looks.
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Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
To put it very basically as this might do the trick!
17" wheels = big dick and small balls = wrong :sad:
18" wheels = big dick with big balls = perfectly right :smiley:
19" wheels = no comment :rolleyes:
You may find its mainly only men who need big wheels maybe its to make up for short cummings elsewere :smug:
Snoopy, quick question, what tyres come with 17" Monza's 225/45/91Y ?
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Snoopy, quick question, what tyres come with 17" Monza's 225/45/91Y ?
225/45/17s for sure.
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Mine came with Bridgestone Potenza RE050 225/45R17 91W
But others have come with Dunlop SPsport or continental sport contact both in 225/45R17 91W
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Mine came with Bridgestone Potenza RE050 225/45R17 91W
But others have come with Dunlop SPsport or continental sport contact both in 225/45R17 91W
Thanks, the car with 18"'s I looked at had 225/40/92Y Extra Load (i.e. pretty costly)
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Buy a Seat then :evil:
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Best advice.
Now go and buy the car David ASAP before you change your mind and end up with a Skoda!
Buy a Seat then :evil:
That makes no sence. :undecided:
Nothing wrong with SEAT or Skoda imo.
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Man who specced 17''ers:
(http://www.thecastlecloset.com/i/AccessoriesOthe/Codpiece.jpg)
My, my! Major problems with the steering wheel.
Brilliant! :grin:
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I got the 18" Monza Shadows as they were thrown in for free! .... Thank God!
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I got the 18" Monza Shadows as they were thrown in for free! .... Thank God!
I paid extra for Monza Shadows, then removed them as soon as I got back to my driveway. Hmm...probably not the wisest use of money.
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Thanks, the car with 18"'s I looked at had 225/40/92Y Extra Load (i.e. pretty costly)
I see no reason why a Golf needs Extra Load tyres...it makes no sense.
It's not that heavy.
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We men are so obsessed with rubber! :grin:
Ess_Three: The Oil Industry pays very well as does Private Healthcare! :lipsrsealed:
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Ess_Three: The Oil Industry pays very well... :lipsrsealed:
Asker, you get more odd by the day!
What on earth makes you think this?
Time off - that's what it's all about. 140 days a year worked.
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Ess_Three: The Oil Industry pays very well... :lipsrsealed:
Asker, you get more odd by the day!
What on earth makes you think this?
Time off - that's what it's all about. 140 days a year worked.
That's rich coming from a man who changes his wheels 5 minutes after collection and after paying extra for them! :rolleyes:
You lazy, rich, lucky oiler. :grin:
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Ess_Three: The Oil Industry pays very well... :lipsrsealed:
Asker, you get more odd by the day!
At last we are singing from the same hymn sheet! :laugh:
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That's rich coming from a man who changes his wheels 5 minutes after collection and after paying extra for them! :rolleyes:
You lazy, rich, lucky oiler. :grin:
Ahh...but there is a story...
I had sold my 911 when I ordered the GTI...so had a large amount of cash burning a hole in my pocket...and an ever increasing wait for the GTI...gradually my garage was filling up with 'bits' for a car I didn't yet own.
Including 3 sets of wheels...now 4 sets. :grin:
Plus the Monzas...
I'll replace them prior to selling, as it'll be more saleable that way.
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That's rich coming from a man who changes his wheels 5 minutes after collection and after paying extra for them! :rolleyes:
You lazy, rich, lucky oiler. :grin:
Ahh...but there is a story...
I had sold my 911 when I ordered the GTI...so had a large amount of cash burning a hole in my pocket...and an ever increasing wait for the GTI...gradually my garage was filling up with 'bits' for a car I didn't yet own.
Including 3 sets of wheels...now 4 sets. :grin:
Plus the Monzas...
I'll replace them prior to selling, as it'll be more saleable that way.
Do you miss the 911?
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The Accessory Brochure is at last available on line.
David: There are some tasty 17" wheels in there.
I also like the 18" Vision Alloys.
http://cdn.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/accessories/golf-vi-accessories.pdf
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Do you miss the 911?
Not really.
As brilliant as it was, it was as impractical, leaked fluids like a sieve and I just sort of stopped using it.
I went round Europe in it, did 18 laps of the 'ring, sprinted it at GTI International (even got a Class win...although there weren't many in the Class) and generally lived the dream...but I wasn't using it (maybe 800 miles a year) and it was sitting taxed, insured, serviced, warrantied etc to the tune of £3000+ PA.
So back to a GTI.
I loved the 911 to drive (Speed Yellow 996 C4S, manual, Sports Chassis, Aerokit, GT3 style wheels) but just sort of got it out of my system. And got a big mortgage. :embarassed: Although I had the mortgage along with the 911. I just lost interest in driving a car that only made sense when driven at 8/10ths or above. The way the roads are, and other peoples perception of driving that way, made it a chore rather than a pleasure. So it went.
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Same here. Had a 911 around 10 years ago. Hardly drove it. Totally impractical. Was bleeding money unnecessarily. So it went. :smiley:
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The Accessory Brochure is at last available on line.
David: There are some tasty 17" wheels in there.
I also like the 18" Vision Alloys.
http://cdn.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/accessories/golf-vi-accessories.pdf
Thanks for this, the Vision look pretty good, although I wish VW would re-sell the OZ Alleggerita or similar wheels.
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Buy a Seat then :evil:
^^^
Apologies, this was posted after a very long and boozy lunch down the pub. I think its safe now, I've sobered up! :grin:
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David - and here's a link on the forum to a GTI with Vision Alloys....... I personally really like them and its nice to see a GTI with a different wheels for a change.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=153047.0
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I wonder where the Captain is.
Miss his posts.
Beautiful car with those Vision Alloys.
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Yeh those wheels are really nice. I've never seen them on a car in the flesh. They look great on a black car, quite a classy look.
The cloth interior looks really nice as well in those shots.
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Yeh those wheels are really nice. I've never seen them on a car in the flesh. They look great on a black car, quite a classy look.
The cloth interior looks really nice as well in those shots.
They sure are a Vision of loveliness and perfect with a black car.
Glad you like the cloth interior. It is unusually smart.
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Do you miss the 911?
Not really.
As brilliant as it was, it was as impractical, leaked fluids like a sieve and I just sort of stopped using it.
I went round Europe in it, did 18 laps of the 'ring, sprinted it at GTI International (even got a Class win...although there weren't many in the Class) and generally lived the dream...but I wasn't using it (maybe 800 miles a year) and it was sitting taxed, insured, serviced, warrantied etc to the tune of £3000+ PA.
So back to a GTI.
I loved the 911 to drive (Speed Yellow 996 C4S, manual, Sports Chassis, Aerokit, GT3 style wheels) but just sort of got it out of my system. And got a big mortgage. :embarassed: Although I had the mortgage along with the 911. I just lost interest in driving a car that only made sense when driven at 8/10ths or above. The way the roads are, and other peoples perception of driving that way, made it a chore rather than a pleasure. So it went.
What a shame!
Its not that bad to run one if you pick the right model
I use my gen 2 C2S to shops gym or even b&q plus the odd trackdays; it is definitely more practical than a R8 or XKR etc.. Done 5000miles in 2 years with no problem
It even do 30mpg and only need servicing every two years. The main cost of ownership=depreciation---best model to get GT3
Downside of 911 ownership
You get the usual race at traffic lights from A3 and Golf turbo diesel
No one let you thru at busy junction
Woman prefer man driving Aston
Saying all this, I prefer driving my GTI to work---more comfortable and fast enough!
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Yeh those wheels are really nice. I've never seen them on a car in the flesh. They look great on a black car, quite a classy look.
The cloth interior looks really nice as well in those shots.
As does the leather in your photo :smiley:
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Ok just to clarify...
17" are faster than 18" only due to the differences in unsprung weight.
Alot of the effects people experience is due to the change in weight of the wheels... not the size.
I think the major difference is caused by the larger radius not the weight; this gives a slight mechanical disadvantage to the drive train for 18's as compared to 17's, so theoretically the acceleration will be slightly slower, but I defy anyone to categorically state they can tell the difference. :wink:
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The rolling diameter will be more or less the same for either set of wheels, so no, you won't be able to tell the difference.
The only difference will be in ride quality, the 18s having less of a sidewall cushion will be slightly harder.
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I think the major difference is caused by the larger radius not the weight; this gives a slight mechanical disadvantage to the drive train for 18's as compared to 17's, so theoretically the acceleration will be slightly slower, but I defy anyone to categorically state they can tell the difference. :wink:
The difference in radius equates to around 6 revolutions per MILE difference...if you can spot that, you are a robot.
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The rolling diameter will be more or less the same for either set of wheels, so no, you won't be able to tell the difference.
The only difference will be in ride quality, the 18s having less of a sidewall cushion will be slightly harder.
!8" wheels tend to be slightly wider, and 19" wider again, so you end up with less sidewall flex as you go up, which gives sharper turn in, and will likely grip for longer before letting go, whereas a higher sidewall will atart to 'roll' off under heavy cornering.
The downside being less of a cushion as you say.
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Both 17 and 18'' Monzas are 7.5J and ET51.
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Both 17 and 18'' Monzas are 7.5J and ET51.
Odd. I expected at least 1/2" wider on the 18".
Ah well, for any aftermarket wheel choices there will be further gains to be had going to an 8" wide wheel...but by 8.5 it's getting perilously close to no rim protection if you have a wee mishap!
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I think the major difference is caused by the larger radius not the weight; this gives a slight mechanical disadvantage to the drive train for 18's as compared to 17's, so theoretically the acceleration will be slightly slower, but I defy anyone to categorically state they can tell the difference. :wink:
The difference in radius equates to around 6 revolutions per MILE difference...if you can spot that, you are a robot.
It's actually approx 65 revolutions/mile. But that's not really what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that the ½" longer radius makes it slightly more difficult to turn the wheel from the centre where the drive is as it's a slightly longer "lever" if you get my meaning. But I still say that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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This is the most anal thread for age's :grin:
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It's actually approx 65 revolutions/mile. But that's not really what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that the ½" longer radius makes it slightly more difficult to turn the wheel from the centre where the drive is as it's a slightly longer "lever" if you get my meaning. But I still say that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
65?
You sure?
Toyo T1-R:
WHEEL SIZE RIM LOAD/SPEED INDEX TREAD DEPTH (mm) OVERALL DIA. (mm) OVERALL WIDTH (mm) STATIC RADIUS (mm) REVS PER MILE WEIGHT (KG) MEASURING RIM (inch) PERMITTED RIMS (inch)
225/45ZR 17 94Y RF 8.2 633 222 294 834
225/40ZR 18 92Y RF 8.2 637 231 299 828
A difference of 6 rotations of the tyre, per mile.
A diameter difference of 633mm vs 637mm
You won't be able to tell that...
65 revs/mile is like going from a 225/40/18 to a 185/50/16
That, you'd spot straight away...it'd be like being a gear down every time.
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It's actually approx 65 revolutions/mile. But that's not really what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that the ½" longer radius makes it slightly more difficult to turn the wheel from the centre where the drive is as it's a slightly longer "lever" if you get my meaning. But I still say that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
65?
You sure?
Toyo T1-R:
WHEEL SIZE RIM LOAD/SPEED INDEX TREAD DEPTH (mm) OVERALL DIA. (mm) OVERALL WIDTH (mm) STATIC RADIUS (mm) REVS PER MILE WEIGHT (KG) MEASURING RIM (inch) PERMITTED RIMS (inch)
225/45ZR 17 94Y RF 8.2 633 222 294 834
225/40ZR 18 92Y RF 8.2 637 231 299 828
A difference of 6 rotations of the tyre, per mile.
A diameter difference of 633mm vs 637mm
You won't be able to tell that...
65 revs/mile is like going from a 225/40/18 to a 185/50/16
That, you'd spot straight away...it'd be like being a gear down every time.
I just did it on the rim diameter which is obviously not accurate, so I stand corrected :embarassed:
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I just did it on the rim diameter which is obviously not accurate, so I stand corrected :embarassed:
No need...
You have to go down a profile size too don't forget, which pretty much cancels out.
The Toyo figures won't be super accurate for all tyres of the same size, but rought speaking a difference of 5-10 revs/mile won't be noticable on a car weighing 1500Kg and with a torquey engine.
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18' wheels = gorgeous looking girl who you need to sacrifice something to please her (Botox etc..!)
Cons
£400+ option
Easier to kerb
Tyres cost more
Harder ride wears out the bushes quicker
Cost more to insured
Pros
Look fantastic
Sharper steering
More fun than 17s on a smooth tarmac or race track
17' wheel= ordinary looking girl who will cost one next to nothing to make her happy
Pros
Better unsprung mass and softer riding=better handling and grip on our uneven B road
Cost less to repair or replace
Easy to clean
Probably the best riding hothatch with the ACC option
Can change this to 17s OZ or BBS if one not happy!
Cons
Looks so ordinary!
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So the answer is to buy aftermarket 8" or 8.5" wide 18" or 19" wheel, in as light a weight as you can.
No more unspring weight = no more wear.
Sharper turn in.
Make sure the car has ACC...then you can tailor the ride to suit.
Win, win, surely?
Except the cost of tyres...
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Ok just to clarify...
Mine was delivered with 17" wheels which I then swapped to 18". No difference in ride what so ever.
Gilly, just realised you were going to post pictures of your 'new' wheels a couple of weeks ago. :wink:
Ah, just seen your signature! I did guess they were Audi split-rims at some stage! :grin:
Nope... nothing to do with the wheels for sale in my signature.
Havent had a chance to change my wheels as yet. Still needs to go back to the bodyshop for repair on my rear bumper... so thought I would wait until I got my car back first. :smiley:
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Quick question, what are the the standard fitment details for the Monza 17"s, I think I've found the settings for the 18"'s below.
Thanks
Monza 17" x 7.5" - Offset of ET?? - Bolt PCD is 5x??? - Centre bore of ??mm
Monza 18" x 7.5" - Offset of ET45 - Bolt PCD is 5x112 - Centre bore of 57.1mm
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Quick question, what are the the standard fitment details for the Monza 17"s, I think I've found the settings for the 18"'s below.
Thanks
Monza 17" x 7.5" - Offset of ET?? - Bolt PCD is 5x??? - Centre bore of ??mm
Monza 18" x 7.5" - Offset of ET45 - Bolt PCD is 5x112 - Centre bore of 57.1mm
Monza 17" x 7.5" - Offset of ET51 - Bolt PCD is 5x112 - Centre bore of 57.1mm
Monza 18" x 7.5" - Offset of ET51 - Bolt PCD is 5x112 - Centre bore of 57.1mm
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I think some cars suit the 17'' monza. In red or silver cars they look ok but on darker coloure they sem a bit lost ?. Mine is diamond black & the standard 17'' monza just looked to small so found a set of edition 30 alloys & fitted those.