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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: dxbgti on 02 September 2010, 09:54
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Looking to do my first mod and been thinking of either bluefin or Revo stage 1. I live in Dubai where there is a revo dealer, however I could get bluefin posted over no problem, would bluefin be a risk as im not in europe? would revo be a better choice for power and torque? whats you opinions guys, most of the roads here are straight, im looking for good acceleration improvements both low end from low speed but I also wan to be able to have good improvement in the midrange, so when I put my foot down at 70mph I want it to pull hard. cheers!
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revo :cool:
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revo :cool:
Is the difference like night and day? I wont have the cchance to test drive one before I do the mod which makes it a little more difficult, would like some more feedback regarding the overall feel once remapped to stage 1.
With Revo is it possible to map back to stock for services etc. I dont want to loose my warranty if I go ahead
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Have a read of This thread (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=162282.0). not sure if Revo have sorted it out yet.
I havn't seen any complaints about the Bluefin..
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Revo will show up on the flash counter.
Bluefin, you keep your own OEM map incase for dealer visit.
If you have a mk6, id avoid Revo till they sort out the issues linked above.
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revo :cool:
Is the difference like night and day? I wont have the cchance to test drive one before I do the mod which makes it a little more difficult, would like some more feedback regarding the overall feel once remapped to stage 1.
With Revo is it possible to map back to stock for services etc. I dont want to loose my warranty if I go ahead
Yes i would say so. I dont have my remap on at the moment as the car went back to VW for a change of spark plugs and software update (i took the map off before it went in). At the moment the car just feels slow and sluggish.... cant wait to put the map on next week :evil:
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Revo will show up on the flash counter.
Bluefin also increments the counter, it didn't on the MK5.
They told me they may look into doing it for the MK6 in the future.
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Revo will show up on the flash counter.
Bluefin also increments the counter, it didn't on the MK5.
They told me they may look into doing it for the MK6 in the future.
meaning that each time I flash it with bluefin it will log it in my cars ecu?
Yeah I read the post regarding revo's problems with the mk6, all I need to be able to do is flash it back to stock for the servicing. I get the impression that both flashes will yield similar results?
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Been following various remapping option for the last few months
Revo or Morego gives more aggressive power delivery
ABT good reputation in Europe but too expensive
VWR basically use the same map as Superchip and I like the option of remapping the car back to standard for service!
The sensible thing is to go for
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Been following various remapping option for the last few months
Revo or Morego gives more aggressive power delivery
ABT good reputation in Europe but too expensive
VWR basically use the same map as Superchip and I like the option of remapping the car back to standard for service!
The sensible thing is to go for
VWR/Superchips give less midrange torque, so they work the turbo less hard, giving less heat...and less wheelspin for the heavy footed.
REVO certainly gives better numbers...but I personally find their delivery can lead you to be fighting the car, as opposed to making smooth progress...so the extra power doesn't always equate to a faster car on a back road.
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I do find it strainge people recomending an allegedly faulty product :undecided:
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I do find it strainge people recomending an allegedly faulty product :undecided:
I also find it strainge when people shout loudly about a product that rarely makes the numbers they claim.
Sure, they may make higher numbers than other re-maps...but more often than not, they aren't even close to the claimed outputs.
Sometimes I wonder why people remap...is it to put big numbers in their signature, or to make their car quicker on the road?
The two are not the same.
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I do find it strainge people recomending an allegedly faulty product :undecided:
I also find it strainge when people shout loudly about a product that rarely makes the numbers they claim.
Sure, they may make higher numbers than other re-maps...but more often than not, they aren't even close to the claimed outputs.
Sometimes I wonder why people remap...is it to put big numbers in their signature, or to make their car quicker on the road?
The two are not the same.
People are too hung up on the big 'peak' BHP numbers so they can brag about it to their mates down the pub. They don't look at the areas on the rolling road graphs showing the average BHP.
What's the point in having say 300bhp / 300lbs ft torque at 3,500rpm which by the time you hit the upper rev range is down to around 200bhp / 200lbs ft torque?
Far better to have 250bhp / 250lbs ft torque from 3,500rpm right to the redline as this will give you greater 'average BHP'. After being in several mapped cars (my own MK4 included) makes it easily the quicker car than the one with the big BHP output.
'Average BHP' makes for a much smoother, drivable and ultimately the quicker car on the road :cool:
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'Average BHP' makes for a much smoother, drivable and ultimately the quicker car on the road :cool:
Here, here...
Huge peak torque is great on a R or quattro of some type, where you can really make the torque work as you have the grip.
Try that on a Mk6 and you have wheelspin, XDS cutting in, and worn out brake pads in no time.
Fighting a FWD car is not smooth, or fast.
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That's why I went for Superchips on my MK5, the torque curve was the same profile as standard just a bit more.
Whereas the Revo one had a spike at the start which then tailed off, which probably puts more strain on the components.
I ran the Bluefin for 50000 miles and still had the original version 'C' diverter valve which people with other maps had to have replaced.
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Not one bit interested in re-mapping my car.
When I accelerate hard I get wheelspin! And boy can it do ..... mph with ease! Simply amazing. And so smooth and quiet.
I'll leave it well alone ..... for now!
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Not one bit interested in re-mapping my car.
When I accelerate hard I get wheelspin! And boy can it do ..... mph with ease! Simply amazing. And so smooth and quiet.
I'll leave it well alone ..... for now!
you WILL change your mind :laugh: :grin:
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The most expensive exhaust remap combo must be
ABT remap + Akrapovic cat back exhaust Almost £2500 exc fitting
The cat back yields 3.7bhp which works out >£350 per bhp
The exhaust looks very nice! It is tempting but I need to lose my common sense to go for this option.
Personally, I think the best combo = cheapest combo
AWE cat back + Bluefin
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I'll just do the re-map (if I can be bothered).
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I'll just do the re-map (if I can be bothered).
If you can get round the ECU being scrambled?? :rolleyes:
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If you can get round the ECU being scrambled?? :rolleyes:
Doesn't seem to be as much of an issue as many think.
I know of a May 2010 GTI that's taken Bluefin with no problems....and it's allegedly the newer cars that have the problem.
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If you can get round the ECU being scrambled?? :rolleyes:
Doesn't seem to be as much of an issue as many think.
I know of a May 2010 GTI that's taken Bluefin with no problems....and it's allegedly the newer cars that have the problem.
Er not quite, mine was in the showroom from Nov09 took the car March 1st 2010 mine is locked off scrambled ECU needs to come out. Tried Blufin wont take it :sad:
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APR :smiley:
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If you can get round the ECU being scrambled?? :rolleyes:
Doesn't seem to be as much of an issue as many think.
I know of a May 2010 GTI that's taken Bluefin with no problems....and it's allegedly the newer cars that have the problem.
Er not quite, mine was in the showroom from Nov09 took the car March 1st 2010 mine is locked off scrambled ECU needs to come out. Tried Blufin wont take it :sad:
Bummer that means it won't work for me at all. Apr 2010 built.
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My GTI is April 2010 and is unlocked, it does seem to be the diesels.
They may update the ECU during a service to enable it on all cars.
North American GTIs seem to be locked already
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Cheers guys, some good feedback there, and from your own accounts it seems like the bluefin would be the way forward for me, I much prefer a strong pull all the way through the rev range rather than an big surge that tapers off. It says on the superchips website a gain of 44HP would be had from the bluefin, has anyone dyno'd there cars to check these claims?
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Er not quite, mine was in the showroom from Nov09 took the car March 1st 2010 mine is locked off scrambled ECU needs to come out. Tried Blufin wont take it :sad:
I didn't comment on GTDs...
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Cheers guys, some good feedback there, and from your own accounts it seems like the bluefin would be the way forward for me, I much prefer a strong pull all the way through the rev range rather than an big surge that tapers off. It says on the superchips website a gain of 44HP would be had from the bluefin, has anyone dyno'd there cars to check these claims?
I've not seen one dyno'd to confirm, but a gain of 44 BHP over standard seems entirely possible with little risk to the rest of the engine.
I'd have thought 250-260 BHP is reasonable and seems more likely than getting to 275 BHP that some claim.
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If you look at the output plot (http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi Stage1.pdf) for the Bluefin, Superchips are claiming that the standard car they had was already at 249bhp and then went to 274bhp after tuning
Not sure if that's normal
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If you look at the output plot (http://www.mybluefin.co.uk/curves/GolfMk6GTi Stage1.pdf) for the Bluefin, Superchips are claiming that the standard car they had was already at 249bhp and then went to 274bhp after tuning
Not sure if that's normal
I find it hard to believe it that any VW engine makes 40 BHP over what VW claim.
I'd also have thought they's get more than 25 BHP of a gain...you got more that that out of all variants of the 1.8T.
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A while back my local VW dealer said they had there demo car at the time done (they are also a VWracing dealer so it was the VWR superchip one) and got a gain of 47bhp.
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Er not quite, mine was in the showroom from Nov09 took the car March 1st 2010 mine is locked off scrambled ECU needs to come out. Tried Blufin wont take it :sad:
I didn't comment on GTDs...
I think the GTd's could be more likely to blow turbo's with re-maps on them thats why there scrambled, and also save VW having to replace them under warrenty's??? :lipsrsealed:
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I think the GTd's could be more likely to blow turbo's with re-maps on them thats why there scrambled, and also save VW having to replace them under warrenty's??? :lipsrsealed:
I suspect it's more down to known issues with DPFs and remapped diesels...they clog up, and people expect VW to replace them...
Many a remapped Mk5 has had a DPF problem...
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^ I was going to say that but did not want to get into the DPF discussion again :grin: :wink:
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^ I was going to say that but did not want to get into the DPF discussion again :grin: :wink:
Mine's Common rail so the dpf is not much of a problem!! :grin:
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^ I was going to say that but did not want to get into the DPF discussion again :grin: :wink:
Mine's Common rail so the dpf is not much of a problem!! :grin:
Yeah, right...
Since when did the DPF care whether it's PD or CR that's pressurising the fuel that's being injected to cause the soot?
Re-map a diesel and you produce more smoke/soot...giving the DPF a harder time.
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My vote is for Bluefin. It's a less aggressive map matching the original graph but with higher levels of power and torque.
The difference is around 40 -50 bhp but it feels much better than that.
Ease of use is brilliant too , it's a 10 minute job to restore to the original map (not a 'replacement' original but the original which is stored on the handset).
Superchips have a 7 day trial to make up your mind.
If you don't like it - send it back.
If it doesn't work - send it back.
If you get too scared - send it back.
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^ I was going to say that but did not want to get into the DPF discussion again :grin: :wink:
Mine's Common rail so the dpf is not much of a problem!! :grin:
Yeah, right...
Since when did the DPF care whether it's PD or CR that's pressurising the fuel that's being injected to cause the soot?
Re-map a diesel and you produce more smoke/soot...giving the DPF a harder time.
no problems with my DPF cars done 5k now :smug: feels it a bit like your slagging my motor off Ess3 :rolleyes:
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no problems with my DPF cars done 5k now :smug: feels it a bit like your slagging my motor off Ess3 :rolleyes:
Not at all...
But petrols suffer from different problems to diesels once chipped as the engines behave differently. Soot will always be a by-product of cranking the wick up on a diesel by the very nature of the fuel...and DPFs don't like excessive soot.
not slagging your car off at all...just pointing out that DPFs can give problems on a standard car if the duty cycle isn't ideal...and I have more friends that have had problems with DPF equipped cars, than have had not....so the issue exists.
And where certain tuning companies are concerned - "it's not our problem mate".
I looked very closely into remapping a Mk5 PD170 - the DPF issue rang alarm bells.
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no problems with my DPF cars done 5k now :smug: feels it a bit like your slagging my motor off Ess3 :rolleyes:
Not at all...
But petrols suffer from different problems to diesels once chipped as the engines behave differently. Soot will always be a by-product of cranking the wick up on a diesel by the very nature of the fuel...and DPFs don't like excessive soot.
not slagging your car off at all...just pointing out that DPFs can give problems on a standard car if the duty cycle isn't ideal...and I have more friends that have had problems with DPF equipped cars, than have had not....so the issue exists.
And where certain tuning companies are concerned - "it's not our problem mate".
I looked very closely into remapping a Mk5 PD170 - the DPF issue rang alarm bells.
ok mate :wink:
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I was just wondering how many Revo'd cars have problems with their turbos.
This is an innocent question, promise.
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None that I am aware of.
I also understand the mapping issues for stage 1 with add-on hardware is nearly resolved :smiley:
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None that I am aware of.
I also understand the mapping issues for stage 1 with add-on hardware is nearly resolved :smiley:
:smiley: that sounds like good news Steve,
Awesome said that i would have to remove the Revo for them to get the Apr map put on ? so been waiting for this 1st :wink:
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I should know more this week so I will let you know when I got more confirmed info :smiley:
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I should know more this week so I will let you know when I got more confirmed info :smiley:
Thanx Steve :cool:
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excellent news on the revo map nearly being sorted! so assuming a fixed revo map and a bluefin map, would your answers shift to favour the revo or stay with the bluefin?
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So people with REVO, with this just be a matter of going to your dealer and having a free update? :rolleyes:
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So people with REVO, with this just be a matter of going to your dealer and having a free update? :rolleyes:
About £50 to go stage 2 methinx ?
If no aftermarket filter fitted dont think update is needed ?
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So people with REVO, with this just be a matter of going to your dealer and having a free update? :rolleyes:
OOOhhh yes!!! my remap goes back on the car on thursday!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Dont think its stage 2 they are bringing out though, from what i gathered it was sorting out the stage 1 map, so surely just a matter of a free update? :smiley:
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^^^ It will be stage 2 that they will be bring out first with the fixes for the boost control issues from what I understand.
I drove Revo's Stage 2 Mk6 GTI today which is running the revised code and it was awesome :evil: it pulls like a train all the way from idle and has no hesitation. It's going into final testing in South Africa (high altitude makes the issue worse) and as long all goes well then a release version will be ready within a few weeks.
While it's been a long time coming I am certainly glad I have waited for this new code rather than jumping ship :smiley:
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So people with REVO, with this just be a matter of going to your dealer and having a free update? :rolleyes:
OOOhhh yes!!! my remap goes back on the car on thursday!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Back to 'normal' now??
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So people with REVO, with this just be a matter of going to your dealer and having a free update? :rolleyes:
OOOhhh yes!!! my remap goes back on the car on thursday!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Back to 'normal' now??
no. I put the wrong day in my calendar :embarassed:
Lter this week after i get my car back from VW for repair... which is probably better as I would have had to remove the map and then put it back on after anyway.
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Hey Folks, I am new to this forum, been monitoring all others (not sure how I missed this one). I am based in Dubai, and we are limited to the choice of remaps we get here. Revo was one of the better options which I had done to my Mk6 around 4000kms. My map worked fine for a few months, then started the surging issue too (around 3000RPM).
I am very interested in the REVO stage 1 software upgrade. Any updates from Revo?