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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: savvasa on 17 August 2010, 13:16
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Afternoon all, I'm not sure if this is normal or not so I thought I'd ask.
As I'm motoring along at normal speed the car is perfect in every way. HOWEVER, when I put my foot down to over take someone, the car takes about a second or two to kick down a gear, its really noticeable and very annoying. Is this normal?
Ive got the DSG auto with flappy paddles.
Thanks in advance.
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Upgrade to a manual. :grin:
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Thanks Phil... reallllly helpful :nerd:
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Just put it into manual then it won't drop down for overtaking like that. You could leave it in D or S then once your up to speed in 6th knock the gearstick across or just drive in manual anyway as that's the best way :grin:
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Just put it into manual then it won't drop down for overtaking like that. You could leave it in D or S then once your up to speed in 6th knock the gearstick across or just drive in manual anyway as that's the best way :grin:
You are incorrect Weston, even if you put it in manual mode the DSG gearbox will still kickdown unless you have the DSG remapped to stop it.
Kickdown was one of the most annoying traits of the DSG. The reason it tends to take time to kickdown is that it is liable to be dropping two gears, in which case the gear the DSG is asking for is on the same gearset as the one it is coming from ... i.e. 5th to 3rd, 6th to 4th, or more commonly at lower speeds 4th to 2nd.
A single gear drop is usually a quicker change as the box already has the alternative gearset ready to swap to.
REVO and GIAC do DSG remaps which give changes that are up to 60% faster and isolate manual to be a manual ...i.e. no change up at the redline and no kickdown. When in manual the DSG remap still allows the gears to drop to the next one down when the minimum threshold for the revs is reached. :smiley:
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Thanks Hurdy, so basically what your saying is that the delay I'm experiencing is normal, and that only a remap would change that?
Thanks again.
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You are incorrect Weston
Hmm maybe mine has the dsg remap? Is there another way of telling? I haven't had it done myself.
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You are incorrect Weston
Hmm maybe mine has the dsg remap? Is there another way of telling? I haven't had it done myself.
Does it kick-down in auto or sport? Are you pressing hard enough to engage it?
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Ive only tested this out in normal auto mode (the wife is not a fan of sport mode). I'm definatly pressing hard enough, it is most noticeable when the peddle is pressed all the way down.
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if you put your foot right to the floor, you engage kickdown mode, where it drops a gear and revs high. check the manual, its a "feature".
Afternoon all, I'm not sure if this is normal or not so I thought I'd ask.
As I'm motoring along at normal speed the car is perfect in every way. HOWEVER, when I put my foot down to over take someone, the car takes about a second or two to kick down a gear, its really noticeable and very annoying. Is this normal?
Ive got the DSG auto with flappy paddles.
Thanks in advance.
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Yeah i get that... what i was asking is, should there be a substantial delay?
if you put your foot right to the floor, you engage kickdown mode, where it drops a gear and revs high. check the manual, its a "feature".
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yeah I think so, prob VAG just being careful so you dont blow up the gearbox.
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Cool, thats that then... ill just have to drop the gear manually when im over taking.
Thanks all.
yeah I think so, prob VAG just being careful so you dont blow up the gearbox.
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Just put it into manual then it won't drop down for overtaking like that. You could leave it in D or S then once your up to speed in 6th knock the gearstick across or just drive in manual anyway as that's the best way :grin:
You are incorrect Weston, even if you put it in manual mode the DSG gearbox will still kickdown unless you have the DSG remapped to stop it.
Kickdown was one of the most annoying traits of the DSG. The reason it tends to take time to kickdown is that it is liable to be dropping two gears, in which case the gear the DSG is asking for is on the same gearset as the one it is coming from ... i.e. 5th to 3rd, 6th to 4th, or more commonly at lower speeds 4th to 2nd.
A single gear drop is usually a quicker change as the box already has the alternative gearset ready to swap to.
REVO and GIAC do DSG remaps which give changes that are up to 60% faster and isolate manual to be a manual ...i.e. no change up at the redline and no kickdown. When in manual the DSG remap still allows the gears to drop to the next one down when the minimum threshold for the revs is reached. :smiley:
I'm confused, when I'm in manual mode I find I can put my foot down and it doesn't kickdown, unless I push the pedal a little further and engage the kickdown switch.
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Looks like ill be going out for a drive after work tonight to test out these theories.
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Just put it into manual then it won't drop down for overtaking like that. You could leave it in D or S then once your up to speed in 6th knock the gearstick across or just drive in manual anyway as that's the best way :grin:
You are incorrect Weston, even if you put it in manual mode the DSG gearbox will still kickdown unless you have the DSG remapped to stop it.
Kickdown was one of the most annoying traits of the DSG. The reason it tends to take time to kickdown is that it is liable to be dropping two gears, in which case the gear the DSG is asking for is on the same gearset as the one it is coming from ... i.e. 5th to 3rd, 6th to 4th, or more commonly at lower speeds 4th to 2nd.
A single gear drop is usually a quicker change as the box already has the alternative gearset ready to swap to.
REVO and GIAC do DSG remaps which give changes that are up to 60% faster and isolate manual to be a manual ...i.e. no change up at the redline and no kickdown. When in manual the DSG remap still allows the gears to drop to the next one down when the minimum threshold for the revs is reached. :smiley:
I'm confused, when I'm in manual mode I find I can put my foot down and it doesn't kickdown, unless I push the pedal a little further and engage the kickdown switch.
That is correct, but most people press the go faster pedal all the way down when overtaking and the box kicks down :smiley:
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Yeah i get that... what i was asking is, should there be a substantial delay?
if you put your foot right to the floor, you engage kickdown mode, where it drops a gear and revs high. check the manual, its a "feature".
I'll explain a little more....
The gearbox has two driveshafts and one driveshaft contains 1st, 3rd and 5th gear the other driveshaft holds 2nd, 4th and 6th.
If you are in say 4th gear, the DSG automatically pre-selects either 3rd gear or 5th gear on the other gearset depending on how you are driving at the time (fuzzy logic FTW!). If the DSG thinks you need 5th gear, then this is pre-selected, so when you mash your foot to the floor the DSG not only has to deselect 5th gear, but also has to decide whether you need 3rd or 2nd. If you need 2nd then it has to disengage the clutch on the gearset you are running in (4th) and swap down to 2nd gear, which is on the same clutch and gearset and then re-engage drive........so it takes longer :smiley: simples :laugh:
In reality this should only take around 0.6 of a second, but just feels longer.
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How long does it take for the fuzzy logic to be reset to thrash mode after an 'economical ( :grin: ) drive?
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You are incorrect Weston
Hmm maybe mine has the dsg remap? Is there another way of telling? I haven't had it done myself.
Does it kick-down in auto or sport? Are you pressing hard enough to engage it?
Foot to the floor and it dropped down in manual, don't normally drive like that, a little throttle is enough most if the time
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You are incorrect Weston, even if you put it in manual mode the DSG gearbox will still kickdown unless you have the DSG remapped to stop it.
Hurdy you 100% on that one mate ?? Mine doesn't kick down in manual mode and i've not modded it in any way since purchase. I'm hitting the kickdown switch as well. Oddly though it does seem to think about it then just dismiss is as a silly mistake by the driver :P
Cars in the stealers atm and i've only done it a handful of times on the M1 tbh but i seem to recall the readout on the highline flashing to 4th then straight back to 6th. It didin't actually change gear though !
Maybe the cars been mapped ?? or the DSG at least ?
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If it doesn't kickdown then there are two possibilities.
1. It has a DSG remap.
2. The throttle pedal has a fault either on the pedal or the MCU.
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You are incorrect Weston, even if you put it in manual mode the DSG gearbox will still kickdown unless you have the DSG remapped to stop it.
Hurdy you 100% on that one mate ?? Mine doesn't kick down in manual mode and i've not modded it in any way since purchase. I'm hitting the kickdown switch as well. Oddly though it does seem to think about it then just dismiss is as a silly mistake by the driver :P
Cars in the stealers atm and i've only done it a handful of times on the M1 tbh but i seem to recall the readout on the highline flashing to 4th then straight back to 6th. It didin't actually change gear though !
Maybe the cars been mapped ?? or the DSG at least ?
It'll def kickdown in whatever mode its in if you nail it, unless of course you're cruising along in 6th gear at 6k rpm lol
On mine i press it all the way down and there is a very noticable extra bit to press to get the kickdown, so i can press all the way and avoid the kickdown switch - maybe something has moved a little or something on mine