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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: the_rhino_uk on 05 January 2005, 23:03

Title: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 05 January 2005, 23:03
Hi all (again)!

My Mk2 GTi (8v) has "problems" staring when ever its wet!

Seems to be ok if I use her on a day to day basis but if I leave her un-driven for more than a day and it rains then it really doesn't wanna fire when I start her.

Starter motor turns over fine, and spins for a while and then it coughs and eventually fires.

Thing is once it has started if I touch the accelarator pedal then the revs will dip and if I dont lift off sometimes dies.

I leave it a bit to warm up but even then the first 5-10mins of driving means that when I push down on the pedal its dips and goes.

After a while she is ok (when its warm and dry I would imagen).

Any tips / tricks on what I can do to stop this? Any suggestions would be great

Thanks!
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Judderi on 06 January 2005, 08:16
I had this problem on a totaly different engine but my suggestions might help. It turned out that the locator teeth on the botton timing pulley had snapped and when you pressed the accelerator it would slip causing the timing to be out. So it maybee worth you getting the timing checked.
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 12:40
Yeah, but the problem goes away when I drive for a while (Im guessing when it drys) so wouldn't the timing always be out regardless if its wet or dry?
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 13:02
id say its just damp. give the dizzy cap a good dry out and spray som WD40 in round in and the plug leads on both ends
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 13:05
Ok where abouts should I spray the WD40 'cos I did cover those areas in the spray but maybe I need to be more specific?

I reckon its the damp too 'cos its fine on cold / dry days and it fires fine at work as I park it in an underground car park.

Where abouts exactally shall I spray, do I need to take the HT leads off the plugs and spray there?
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 13:12
did you take the dizzy cap off and dry it and give it a good clean out?

u wanna be spraying anywhere u get an electrical connection
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 13:25
Not yet, but when I bought it the bloke I bought it off said that it had just had a new cap and leads (which I confrimed with the garage he used and they all look new as well).

Didn't think it would need doing if its just been replaced, or doesn't it matter?

What about replacing things, no need to swap the leads /  plugs or such like (I may be heading out looking for that belt so I was thinking while I am out there)...
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 13:30
just check the condition of the plug leads. make sure they aint cracked/split etc

8v plugs are pretty reasonably priced. so if they look old n knackered might just be worth gettin a new set

as for the cap itself. if its new id still give it a little blast of WD in it & around it to keep the damp out
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 13:35
Roger wilko, will do!

What about sraying the plugs, do I just spray the leads where they connect to the leads OR take off the leads and spray the top of the plugs and then re-attach?

(thanks for the advise by the way)
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 13:41
just give both plug heads & lead connectors a good dry/clean then a light dusting of WD40
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 14:27
DAMN IT, HELP!!

I just went out there to start her up and go and find some parts and the ruddy thing wont start at all now!!

This is the worse it has been, its turning over but not firing at all (where as it has always got going eventually).

I did what you suggested and took off the dizzy cap to dry it out but its bone dry in there

Anyone got any suggestions, I really need this car to work!!
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Judderi on 06 January 2005, 14:58
Its a long shot but ive just had a problem with mine not starting and it turned out to be a problem with the flap inside the air flow meter. Its easy and worth checking. If you take of the rubber intake hose on the top of the meter you will see a circular disk. Make sure this is moving up and down freely. It moves about 5cm up. Grap hold of the nut in the centre to lift it. If it isnt free it could be the source of your problem. loosen the nut then centre it tightening the nut.
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 16:51
im assuming if he has power steering and its an 8v then it must be a big bumper model and therefore a digifant.

u need to check n see if its sparking
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 17:11
Well, I got annoyed and whipped off the dizzy cap and plastered it with some WD40 and also sprayed some over the coil lead and coil.

Tried it again (with fear that I had drained the battery) and after a few turns she coughed a little and then fired!

SO, I got up to Halfrauds and got some stuff and chucked it on (new HT leads / coil lead, dizzy cap and rotor arm) and doused those with WD40 as I fitted them on.

Now I shall wait and see what happens, looks like rain again tonight / tomorrow so that will test it.

If it still happens I shall try the flap thingy next.

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 17:23
what year is your car?. ive a suspicion you dont have the flap he is talking about

the flap is only in k-jet cars. later 8v's use a different injection system - didifant
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 17:31
Its an F reg, so thats 89 right?

Do you reckons its just the moisture getting in?
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 06 January 2005, 19:22
yeah it'll be a digifant then. its moisture getting in somewhere
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 06 January 2005, 22:17
What the ruddy hell is a digifant and where do I find that and what are the tell tell signs that there is somthing is wrong with it??  :shocked:
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 07 January 2005, 09:20
digifant is just the name of the electronic injection system your car uses. earlier 8v's use a mechanical injection system called k-jet. this is the cause of your problem. it just helps people help you if they know what engine you have
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 07 January 2005, 15:15
Soz, dont know all that much about Mk2's apart from its a Mk2 GTi 8v (89)

What can I do to solve this problem then, and is it expensive?
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 08 January 2005, 14:49
Can anyone help me further on this?

Oh and while I am at it the spark plugs I got from Halfords are wrong (the top part of the plug is too big and the HT leads wont fit).

My plugs have a small almost screw looking top to them.

Might be buying some stuff off the GSF site soon and I was wondering what ones I need as there are a few different types listed on there

SPARKPLUG-W7DC  G2 1.05 8/83 >7/85
SPARKPLUG-W7DC  G2 1.3 >7/85 
SPARKPLUG-W7DC0  G2 1.05 8/85 >10/91 
SPARKPLUG-W7DC0  G2 1.3 8/85 >7/92 
SPARKPLUG-W7DTC  G2 1.05 & 1.3 8/85 >   
SPARKPLUG-W7DTC  G2 1.8 Carb 8/84 >   
SPARKPLUG-W8DTC  G2 1.6 Carb 8/83 >10/91 
SPARKPLUG-F6DTC  G2 16V 2/86 >10/91   
SPARKPLUG-W6DP0  G2 G60 4/90 >7/91 

The only 1.8 on there is for a carb so I dont thing that is right?

Help!  :sad:
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 08 January 2005, 16:26
that top part of the plug screws off to reveal the wee screw you need
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: the_rhino_uk on 08 January 2005, 19:56
Oh s*%t, how stoopid do I feel now!

Thanks (never come across somthing like that before). Out of interest why do they have screws on the top of those plugs, do the HT leads have to screw in or somthing?

I tried that but it seemed easier to just push the HT leads down?
Title: Re: Wet start problem
Post by: Gambit on 10 January 2005, 12:32
its not a screw its just a different type of connector