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Title: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 20:18
Darren came down today (bless!) and changed my RNS510 for another one as mine did not sound very good. The new one is better sounding but simply does not compare with the RCD310 in sound quality. It might improve once it's run-in as most electronics do.

Darren was also really surprised by the superb power and majesty of the RCD310 sound.

This is possibly due to all the gizmos the RNS510 has, as it not a simple Radio/CD player. I should have expected this, as in high-end Hi Fi, fewer gizmos mean better sound quality.

I wonder how the sound quality of the RCD510 compares with that of the RCD310. I bet not as good, but most probably slightly better than the RNS510.

It would seem that if you buy an RNS510 or RCD510, pair it with the Dynaudio to acheive decent sound quality. The RCD310 on its own is quite amazing for its power and sound quality. Only problem is that it does not look too pretty. A bit of a Susan Boyle!

O dear, have I said too much? :cool:

Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: R32UK on 17 July 2010, 20:24
Have to agree with you there... although I would never go back to the 310... it did sound better than the 510. I found this especially true when listening to the radio.

There isnt much in it.. but enough to tell.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 17 July 2010, 20:25
It might improve once it's run-in as most electronics do.
No they don't. Only if theres a mechanical aspect to the design. :wink:

The RNS510 must have an altered frequency responce, you need to find someone with a real time analyser to see what the FR out of them is.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 20:44
Have to agree with you there... although I would never go back to the 310... it did sound better than the 510. I found this especially true when listening to the radio.
There isnt much in it.. but enough to tell.

This new one is pretty good and I am happy now.
Darren has been wonderful and so patient.
Such a nice family too.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 20:49
It might improve once it's run-in as most electronics do.

No they don't. Only if theres a mechanical aspect to the design. :wink:
The RNS510 must have an altered frequency responce, you need to find someone with a real time analyser to see what the FR out of them is.

Snoops: The proof of the pudding is in the listening. High-end amplifiers did sound better once 'run-in' and also once warmed up, whether transistor or valve.
I would agree that 'running-in' is much more significant with loudspeakers which are elecro-mechanical devices.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: GolfTi on 17 July 2010, 20:56
I had the RCD310 initially, changed to the RCD510 because the 310 looked so horrible and is not as nice to use.


Sound quality - no difference at all.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 20:59
I had the RCD310 initially, changed to the RCD510 because the 310 looked so horrible and is not as nice to use.
Sound quality - no difference at all.

I see. Ok then.
But I have 'golden ears'! :wink:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 17 July 2010, 21:07
Snoops: The proof of the pudding is in the listening. High-end amplifiers did sound better once 'run-in' and also once warmed up, whether transistor or valve.
Sorry mate but 'run in' thats utter tosh. They don't, its marketing mans and magazine reviews audiophile BS. People who don't know how it works! I use to design them for a living (arcam,). Electronics DON'T need to be worn in. Im a Electronic and electrical designer by trade its what i do for a living and still do, and have done for 20 years. Valves yes, their caracterisics can change. Descrete components NO.

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I would agree that 'running-in' is much more significant with loudspeakers which are elecro-mechanical devices.
Of cause its a mechanical component with moving parts.  :wink:

 :smiley:  :cool: :tongue:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 21:16
Snoops: The proof of the pudding is in the listening. High-end amplifiers did sound better once 'run-in' and also once warmed up, whether transistor or valve.
Sorry mate but 'run in' thats utter tosh. They don't, its marketing mans and magazine reviews audiophile BS. People who don't know how it works! I use to design them for a living (arcam,). Electronics DON'T need to be worn in. Im a Electronic and electrical designer by trade its what i do for a living and still do, and have done for 20 years. Valves yes, their caracterisics can change. Descrete components NO.
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I would agree that 'running-in' is much more significant with loudspeakers which are elecro-mechanical devices.
Of cause its a mechanical component with moving parts.  :wink:
 :smiley:  :cool: :tongue:

All I can say is new ones don't sound as good as old ones from the same stable. But this has been an argument which has raged for years.
Anyway, my new RNS sounds pretty good and is getting better with my TLC!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 17 July 2010, 21:28
What you need to do is get a lone of a good 60band +  RTA and measure the speaker lead output of each unit with pink noise. To see if its VW added frequency responce shapping to one or both of the units.

I wonder if the RCD510 is similar to the RCD310 for the frequency responce or more like the RNS510?

Can you describe what your hearing?

Does it by any chance sound like a reduction of frequency level at 200Hz and below as you turn it up and maybe a dip in the responce at ~5Khz?
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: mortygt140 on 17 July 2010, 21:56
Snoop I'm no audiophile but it sounded like the low down tones where a lot stronger the bass was more punchy low down even though both units where setup at the same level.

Also the RNS had to be turned up that little bit more to get the same sort of sound.

Nice to see you again Asker we'll keep in touch :smiley:

Darren
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 21:56
What you need to do is get a lone of a good 60band +  RTA and measure the speaker lead output of each unit with pink noise. To see if its VW added frequency responce shapping to one or both of the units.
I wonder if the RCD510 is similar to the RCD310 for the frequency responce or more like the RNS510?
Can you describe what your hearing?
Does it by any chance sound like a reduction of frequency level at 200Hz Yes and below as you turn it up and maybe a dip in the responce at ~5Khz? Yes

Some answers in red.
Others below:
(1) The RNS does not seem to produce as much bass as the RCD. The RCD goes deeper and bass drums can be felt.
(2) There seems to be better attack with classical music with the RCD.
(3) The RCD seems to have cleaner high frequencies which seem to extend further. Triangles and cymbals sound cleaner and clearer.
(4) The RCD seems to sound cleaner when loud.
(5) The stereo effect seems greater with the RCD.
(6) The soundstage has great width with the RCD.

I think I can get as close to the RCD sound fiddling with the tone controls, though they can only do so much.
It seems the fader can improve things by moving it more towards the front loudspeakers.

It is pretty good now and I am reasonably happy with the way it sounds.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 21:59
Darren: Nice to see you + family.
Glad you arrived safely. :smiley:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 17 July 2010, 22:05
What you need to do is get a lone of a good 60band +  RTA and measure the speaker lead output of each unit with pink noise. To see if its VW added frequency responce shapping to one or both of the units.
I wonder if the RCD510 is similar to the RCD310 for the frequency responce or more like the RNS510?
Can you describe what your hearing?
Does it by any chance sound like a reduction of frequency level at 200Hz Yes and below as you turn it up and maybe a dip in the responce at ~5Khz? Yes

Some answers in red.
Others below:
(1) The RNS does not seem to produce as much bass as the RCD. The RCD goes deeper and bass drums can be felt.
(2) There seems to be better attack with classical music with the RCD.
(3) The RCD seems to have cleaner high frequencies which seem to extend further. Triangles and cymbals sound cleaner and clearer.
(4) The RCD seems to sound cleaner when loud.
(5) The stereo effect seems greater with the RCD.
(6) The soundstage has great width with the RCD.

I think I can get as close to the RCD sound fiddling with the tone controls, though they can only do so much.
It seems the fader can improve things by moving it more towards the front loudspeakers.

It is pretty good now and I am reasonably happy with the way it sounds.
Asker, Everything you describe sounds like a frequency responce related sound similar to what i posted which meens it probably has the older VW frequency responce shaping preamp stage in. :cry:

The only way to make sure is to RTA it.
Most good ICE dealers have an audiocontrol 30 band RTA they could connect up to compare but that would be costly. You can also build your own with free software and a high quality input card to a labtop but again not cheap. :undecided:

It all depends if it chages the sound all the time or gradual as you turn the volume up.
Also check the manual for anythig you may have on by mistake as it may have some form of frequency shaping you can turn off.
If its a perminent frequency responce difference and not effected by volume control there is units out there to correct it and even improve the overall frequency reponce output from the speakers but there not cheap.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 22:10
While we have been posting I went back and listened. Pretty good now and seems nearly there.
No difference on pop but some difference 'yes' on classical.
I can nearly live with this! :smiley:
Bloody ears, too discerning. :angry:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 17 July 2010, 22:14
If its a perminent frequency responce difference and not effected by volume control there is units out there to correct it and even improve the overall frequency reponce output from the speakers but there not cheap. Something like the JBL MS-8 would improve things tonally for you alot imo and even fit under the passenger seat  :wink:

You do realise you have put me off the satnav now. :undecided:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: gizzywizzy on 17 July 2010, 22:43
Oh bloody hell

Darren is coming next Sunday to take out my RCD510 and is fitting my new RNS510 mine is paired with the dynaudio so Asker do you think it will sound ok?

I'm getting my LEDs fitted and a reverse camera too, ee I can hardly wait :laugh:

Gizzy
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 17 July 2010, 22:53
Darren came down today (bless!) and changed my RNS510 for another one as mine did not sound very good. The new one is better sounding but simply does not compare with the RCD310 in sound quality. It might improve once it's run-in as most electronics do.


For gods sake don't be using it while driving. Once is an accident, twice is stupidity  :grin:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 22:54
Oh bloody hell
Darren is coming next Sunday to take out my RCD510 and is fitting my new RNS510 mine is paired with the dynaudio so Asker do you think it will sound ok?
I'm getting my LEDs fitted and a reverse camera too, ee I can hardly wait :laugh:
Gizzy

Gizzy:
Don't worry. Darren will check it carefully. As you have the Dynaudio it will not be a problem, I think. Compare it with your RCD510. Easily done. Darren is an angel, well as close as humanly possible!
Mine sounds pretty good now and I am very happy. Looks the business.
You are really tarting Bonnie to the hilt. Wolgang cannot keep up anymore. :cry:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 23:00
If its a perminent frequency responce difference and not effected by volume control there is units out there to correct it and even improve the overall frequency reponce output from the speakers but there not cheap. Something like the JBL MS-8 would improve things tonally for you alot imo and even fit under the passenger seat  :wink:
You do realise you have put me off the satnav now. :undecided:

I have had a good listen and fiddle with the tone controls and fader.
It's pretty good and only really lacks a bit of width in the soundstage and bass extension.
Yes, the JBL MS-8 will address both the above.
Don't let it put you off. It's still a pretty good sound but it's certainly not quite an RCD310 and this only on heavy orchestral classical music.
I would still buy one if I had to do it all over again. :smiley:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 17 July 2010, 23:02
Darren came down today (bless!) and changed my RNS510 for another one as mine did not sound very good. The new one is better sounding but simply does not compare with the RCD310 in sound quality. It might improve once it's run-in as most electronics do.
For gods sake don't be using it while driving. Once is an accident, twice is stupidity  :grin:

Never, ever again I promise.
They say there is no fool like an old fool. This old fool has certainly excelled in foolishness and utter stupidity. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: gizzywizzy on 17 July 2010, 23:03
Oh bloody hell
Darren is coming next Sunday to take out my RCD510 and is fitting my new RNS510 mine is paired with the dynaudio so Asker do you think it will sound ok?
I'm getting my LEDs fitted and a reverse camera too, ee I can hardly wait :laugh:
Gizzy

Gizzy:
Don't worry. Darren will check it carefully. As you have the Dynaudio it will not be a problem, I think. Compare it with your RCD510. Easily done. Darren is an angel, well as close as humanly possible!
Mine sounds pretty good now and I am very happy. Looks the business.
You are really tarting Bonnie to the hilt. Wolgang cannot keep up anymore. :cry:

Thanks feel a bit better now, I love the sound from my RCD510 and would hate to lose that.

 Wolfgang is as tarted as Bonnie, you have parking sensors which I don't + some other nice items too.


All the best

Gizzy
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 17 July 2010, 23:14
Gizzy, I went from the RCD510 to the RNS510 and haven't noticed any difference in sound quality. I've not read any other reports on the net regarding a difference in sound quality between the 2 units.

There may well be a difference between the 310 and RNS510 but what you have never had, you will never miss  :wink:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Rolfe on 18 July 2010, 00:15
I have the 310 because I didn't like the bigger screen of the 510s.  I've quite happy with the sound, and how it sounds with my iPod as well.  However, as a Radio 3 nut, I'm always attracted to better sound, and I always wondered if I had missed a trick.  It's interesting to see you discussing whether the 510 is as good as the 310!

I vaguely assumed that after nearly 12 years, even a standard car stereo would be better.  My old Peugeot's radio was very nice though, I have to say.  When I set off to take it to the WV dealer to get the MkVI, a Handel opera was just beginning.  I know it would go on for 2 or 3 hours, so I thought, I wonder how this will sound on the Golf?

I wasn't convinced it was any better.  Which may be why I wondered if I should have gone for the 510 in spite of its horrible looks (each to his own, guys!).  So this conversation is strangely comforting.

Snoopy, I have a lot of Arcam components.  Started with the original Alpha amp and tuner in about 1985, and I'm still running the tuner.  Have a Delta NICAM decoder which will be scrap when they switch off the analogue signal, does anyone want it for a museum?  I had a Linn Majik amplifier I didn't like as much as it cost me (if you see what I mean), and when my Alpha 5 CD player died my dealer sold me an ex-demo Arcam CD player and amp which I love to bits.  I'm right off the Tiefenbrun cult, and back in the Arcam fold again.  Did/do you work at Waterbeach?  I took my tuner there ages ago for a repair when I lived in Hertfordshire.  Seemd the easiest way to do it.  Well, tuner still going strong at 25, will probably see it through till the VHF signal goes....

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 18 July 2010, 00:37
Gizzy, I went from the RCD510 to the RNS510 and haven't noticed any difference in sound quality. I've not read any other reports on the net regarding a difference in sound quality between the 2 units.
There may well be a difference between the 310 and RNS510 but what you have never had, you will never miss  :wink:

Absolutely :smiley:

The reason for this post was to inform and not put people off purchasing the RNS510 which I am now glad I bought.
Yes, the previous unit had some sound quality problems. I am so glad I purchased this through Darren and did not source it from somewhere else. I can't imagine what could have transpired. I am now a very happy customer. However, the RCD310 sounds very special for a standard unit.

I am also very grateful to SteveP and Gulfstream11 for all their help and support. We are very lucky to have them for our purchases. :smiley:

 
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 18 July 2010, 01:46
Oh bloody hell
Darren is coming next Sunday to take out my RCD510 and is fitting my new RNS510 mine is paired with the dynaudio so Asker do you think it will sound ok?
I'm getting my LEDs fitted and a reverse camera too, ee I can hardly wait :laugh:
Gizzy
Gizzy:
Don't worry. Darren will check it carefully. As you have the Dynaudio it will not be a problem, I think. Compare it with your RCD510. Easily done. Darren is an angel, well as close as humanly possible!
Mine sounds pretty good now and I am very happy. Looks the business.
You are really tarting Bonnie to the hilt. Wolgang cannot keep up anymore. :cry:
Thanks feel a bit better now, I love the sound from my RCD510 and would hate to lose that.
 Wolfgang is as tarted as Bonnie, you have parking sensors which I don't + some other nice items too.
All the best
Gizzy

You've got a Sunroof, Dynaudio, Xenons. All the things I do not have. :cry:
If you load her anymore, you'll burst her boobs tyres! :tongue: :kiss:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 18 July 2010, 09:16
Snoops: The proof of the pudding is in the listening. High-end amplifiers did sound better once 'run-in' and also once warmed up, whether transistor or valve.


Sorry mate but 'run in' thats utter tosh. They don't, its marketing mans and magazine reviews audiophile BS. People who don't know how it works!

That's interesting Snoopy as I've been on the hunt for a new set of earphone speakers and quite a lot of reviews from punters and marketing speak have suggested that headphones get broke in. In fact one review site even suggested leaving your headphones plugged in overnight with the sound cranked up to have them run in for you by the morning.  I like a nice crisp sound but not being an audiophile
I would have no reason to doubt that, after all it is free advice.
I take it its BS?

Sorry to go off topic but hey its still related  :smiley:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 18 July 2010, 09:27
Snoops: The proof of the pudding is in the listening. High-end amplifiers did sound better once 'run-in' and also once warmed up, whether transistor or valve.


Sorry mate but 'run in' thats utter tosh. They don't, its marketing mans and magazine reviews audiophile BS. People who don't know how it works!

That's interesting Snoopy as I've been on the hunt for a new set of earphone speakers and quite a lot of reviews from punters and marketing speak have suggested that headphones get broke in. In fact one review site even suggested leaving your headphones plugged in overnight with the sound cranked up to have them run in for you by the morning.  I like a nice crisp sound but not being an audiophile
I would have no reason to doubt that, after all it is free advice.
I take it its BS?

Sorry to go off topic but hey its still related  :smiley:
No its not BS to a degree, as earphones have a small motor ie moving mechanical parts anything that has mechanical moving parts in gerneral change slightly with time. (unless its a fully regulated closed loop system which speakers in 99.9% of cases are not.)
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 18 July 2010, 09:29
Cheers Snoopy.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: andykram on 18 July 2010, 09:52
Maybe my ears are knackered after thirty years of listening to rock and metal but the RNS does a decent enough job for me once it's cranked up. I have NAIM kit at home so I do really appreciate high end hi-fi but my house doesn't suffer from tyre roar and the odd rattle so I'm quite happy with the sound in the car!!!!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: mortygt140 on 18 July 2010, 11:23
My ears are deffo knacker'd has Asker said my RNS was even worse than the one I swapped out for him :grin:

I think Ill stick with this one cos I know my ears are below par any way :sad:

Darren
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 18 July 2010, 11:27
My ears are deffo knacker'd has Asker said my RNS was even worse than the one I swapped out for him :grin:
I think Ill stick with this one cos I know my ears are below par any way :sad:
Darren

You've sorted me out. Now it's my turn to sort your hearing. Thankfully it's only one ear but unfortunately the wrong one! :grin: Next time you are down, I'll poke and probe your ears and bring tears to your eyes :evil: Then we'll have a good meal! :laugh:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 18 July 2010, 18:20
Spicifically for Gizzy and Snoops.
The RNS sounds very, very good now so don't let my post put you off. Very, very detailed and smooth.
All I can say is: listen before you install. Best to go through Darren IMHO.
Forget eBay, too much of a risk to just save £50 or so and with no aftersales service.
BTW I have now got the auto rain closing function. Installed by Darren plus a few other bits 'n pieces on the MFD!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 18 July 2010, 18:28
Thank you for the update, Im working on the rest of the audio first before i change mine :wink:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 18 July 2010, 18:31
Thank you for the update, Im working on the rest of the audio first before i change mine :wink:

Love to know what you are up to you crafty devil! :wink:
PM?
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: gizzywizzy on 18 July 2010, 22:39
Spicifically for Gizzy and Snoops.
The RNS sounds very, very good now so don't let my post put you off. Very, very detailed and smooth.
All I can say is: listen before you install. Best to go through Darren IMHO.
Forget eBay, too much of a risk to just save £50 or so and with no aftersales service.
BTW I have now got the auto rain closing function. Installed by Darren plus a few other bits 'n pieces on the MFD!

Great thanks Asker.

Darren is coming on Sunday so maybe do a few things to my MFD (if I'm lucky) what does auto rain closure ential then
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 18 July 2010, 22:43
Darren is coming on Sunday so maybe do a few things to my MFD (if I'm lucky) what does auto rain closure ential then

If you forget to close your sunroof or windows and it rains, your roof and windows will close automatically. :smiley:
PS: Just sent you a PM. :smiley:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 19 July 2010, 00:00
Darren is coming on Sunday so maybe do a few things to my MFD (if I'm lucky) what does auto rain closure ential then

If you forget to close your sunroof or windows and it rains, your roof and windows will close automatically. :smiley:
PS: Just sent you a PM. :smiley:

Although your alarm will be setting itself off well before it rains due to the window open!!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 19 July 2010, 08:23
Darren is coming on Sunday so maybe do a few things to my MFD (if I'm lucky) what does auto rain closure ential then
If you forget to close your sunroof or windows and it rains, your roof and windows will close automatically. :smiley:
PS: Just sent you a PM. :smiley:
Although your alarm will be setting itself off well before it rains due to the window open!!

I was told they shut at the start of a dizzle. Hopefully the hooter will not activate too quickly, unless a big fat bumble-bee is whizzing around at the same time!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: gizzywizzy on 19 July 2010, 18:40
Gizzy, I went from the RCD510 to the RNS510 and haven't noticed any difference in sound quality. I've not read any other reports on the net regarding a difference in sound quality between the 2 units.

There may well be a difference between the 310 and RNS510 but what you have never had, you will never miss  :wink:

There is never a truer word said.  I love the look of the RNS510, do you have the rear camera?
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 19 July 2010, 20:36
Darren is coming on Sunday so maybe do a few things to my MFD (if I'm lucky) what does auto rain closure ential then
If you forget to close your sunroof or windows and it rains, your roof and windows will close automatically. :smiley:
PS: Just sent you a PM. :smiley:
Although your alarm will be setting itself off well before it rains due to the window open!!

I was told they shut at the start of a dizzle. Hopefully the hooter will not activate too quickly, unless a big fat bumble-bee is whizzing around at the same time!

They work on the same sensitivity as the auto windscreen wipers.

I meant the alarm would go off regardless of rain or anything flying in. The few times I've parked my car with the windows down and locked the doors, guaranteed within minutes the alarm is triggered. I just thought it was due to the pressure changing or the wind coming in. 

Its kind of a catch 22 with the auto rain closing as the alarm (at least for me) needs to be deactivated for me to leave the windows opened and parked.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 19 July 2010, 20:51
They work on the same sensitivity as the auto windscreen wipers.
I meant the alarm would go off regardless of rain or anything flying in. The few times I've parked my car with the windows down and locked the doors, guaranteed within minutes the alarm is triggered. I just thought it was due to the pressure changing or the wind coming in. 
Its kind of a catch 22 with the auto rain closing as the alarm (at least for me) needs to be deactivated for me to leave the windows opened and parked.

I'll try it out when it rains but, as you suggested, it might have to be disabled. Technology marches backwards sometimes. :wink:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 19 July 2010, 20:56
Yeah its a great feature on paper though  :laugh:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 19 July 2010, 21:05
Yeah its a great feature on paper though   :laugh:

Imagine the windows going up when you don't want them too. The shock of it!
The RNS sounds pretty good now. Quite acceptable.
I am pretty happy with it. Am reading the manual. However, VW sold me the one without the 'star' and charged me £16 for it. I will be returning it to them for the latest one. I bet they will say it is a non-stock item and cannot be returned. I'll have to get stroppy, I suppose. Can be quite easy sometimes even for £16. It's the principle. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Ess_Three on 19 July 2010, 21:18
Am reading the manual. However, VW sold me the one without the 'star' and charged me £16 for it. I will be returning it to them for the latest one. I bet they will say it is a non-stock item and cannot be returned. I'll have to get stroppy, I suppose. Can be quite easy sometimes even for £16. It's the principle. :rolleyes:

Unlucky...I asked my local VW dealer for a manual and the Gent of a parts guy just handed me one!
Ace!

As for the sound...my RNS does not sound as good, or go as loud as the RCD 510 the car came with...of this I am convinced.

In the coding, there are various sound profiles available...normall 'flat' (I think) is selected...anyone tried any of the other profiles?

Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Ess_Three on 19 July 2010, 21:20
Going off topic...
Any of you Hi-Fi/AV buffs tried messing with subwoofer/s in the home?
I've been playing about tryng to dial out some room modes in my subwoofer response, with some sucess!
Anyway, I digress...
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 19 July 2010, 21:28
Going off topic...
Any of you Hi-Fi/AV buffs tried messing with subwoofer/s in the home?
I've been playing about tryng to dial out some room modes in my subwoofer response, with some sucess!
Anyway, I digress...

I've never been a fan of a single subwoofer in my present home. Even though low frequencies are omnidirectional, I have somehow not been successful in its usage. It's so room, position and equipment dependent. Having wooden floors does not help and the whole room feels as if it is about to explode! Might have to change house to use a subwoofer!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 19 July 2010, 21:30
Am reading the manual. However, VW sold me the one without the 'star' and charged me £16 for it. I will be returning it to them for the latest one. I bet they will say it is a non-stock item and cannot be returned. I'll have to get stroppy, I suppose. Can be quite easy sometimes even for £16. It's the principle. :rolleyes:
Unlucky...I asked my local VW dealer for a manual and the Gent of a parts guy just handed me one!
Ace!
As for the sound...my RNS does not sound as good, or go as loud as the RCD 510 the car came with...of this I am convinced.
In the coding, there are various sound profiles available...normall 'flat' (I think) is selected...anyone tried any of the other profiles?

Unlucky, you're not kidding. Stupid more like it. :angry:
Do you have Dynaudio in your car?
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: mortygt140 on 20 July 2010, 06:11
Asker I doupt the VW dealer will do a new manual for the star button version basically because the star does the same has the old speaker info button so it may just have something in the small print regards illustration changes and differences?

Darren
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: RickS on 20 July 2010, 06:26
Snoops: The proof of the pudding is in the listening. High-end amplifiers did sound better once 'run-in' and also once warmed up, whether transistor or valve.
Sorry mate but 'run in' thats utter tosh. They don't, its marketing mans and magazine reviews audiophile BS. People who don't know how it works! I use to design them for a living (arcam,). Electronics DON'T need to be worn in. Im a Electronic and electrical designer by trade its what i do for a living and still do, and have done for 20 years. Valves yes, their caracterisics can change. Descrete components NO.

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I would agree that 'running-in' is much more significant with loudspeakers which are elecro-mechanical devices.
Of cause its a mechanical component with moving parts.  :wink:

 :smiley:  :cool: :tongue:

Snoops, how interesting! I still have an Arcam Alpha amp which I've had for many years, it's a superb amp, perhaps you made it? :nerd: Have to agree with all your comments re electronics  :wink:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Snoopy on 20 July 2010, 07:57
Going off topic...
Any of you Hi-Fi/AV buffs tried messing with subwoofer/s in the home?
I've been playing about tryng to dial out some room modes in my subwoofer response, with some sucess!
Anyway, I digress...

Yes velodyne feedback controlled.
I can hear to 18hz so i want to hear it.  :grin:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Ess_Three on 20 July 2010, 08:41
I've never been a fan of a single subwoofer in my present home. Even though low frequencies are omnidirectional, I have somehow not been successful in its usage. It's so room, position and equipment dependent. Having wooden floors does not help and the whole room feels as if it is about to explode! Might have to change house to use a subwoofer!

I've found going to a matched pair helps, especially with some mode correction.
Sadly, I just can't justify going to 4!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Ess_Three on 20 July 2010, 08:42
Do you have Dynaudio in your car?

Yes, I do.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: Ess_Three on 20 July 2010, 08:45
Yes velodyne feedback controlled.
I can hear to 18hz so i want to hear it.  :grin:

Nice!
Which one?

I have a pair of BK XLS200-DFs in my living room, and a BK Monolith in my cinema room...
I was messing about with the gains the other day, using 1/6th octave pink noise and my trusty noise meter...below 20Hz in uncomfortable!  :grin:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 20 July 2010, 13:45
I've never been a fan of a single subwoofer in my present home. Even though low frequencies are omnidirectional, I have somehow not been successful in its usage. It's so room, position and equipment dependent. Having wooden floors does not help and the whole room feels as if it is about to explode! Might have to change house to use a subwoofer!
I've found going to a matched pair helps, especially with some mode correction.
Sadly, I just can't justify going to 4!

A matched pair should do it so that the imaging is not affected. Does open up the sound stage considerably in both width and depth. I think 4 would be overkill probably.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 20 July 2010, 13:52
Do you have Dynaudio in your car?
Yes, I do.

I realised this a bit late from your previous posts. You seem to have had a problem with the power from the system.
I must admit, the RNS510 does not go as loud or as deep as the RCD310. But I'm happy with it now and can always swap back to my trusted RCD310 which even works with the VW Bluetooth. Ofcourse, there is no voice control.
For sound quality comparisons the RNS510 is MP3 and the RCD310 is CD.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 20 July 2010, 14:24
In sound quality the RNS510 is MP3 and the RCD310 is CD.

I thought the RCD310 does MP3!
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 20 July 2010, 14:44
In sound quality the RNS510 is MP3 and the RCD310 is CD.
I thought the RCD310 does MP3!

I don't have an MP3 player :sick: and never will.
They sound like sh1t. :sick:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 21 July 2010, 21:18
Sound from RNS510 now very good. Somehow has got better and better. I wonder why? I won't knock it.
Snoops, buy with confidence from Darren.
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: mike. on 21 July 2010, 21:34
Removed due to incorrect information  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 21 July 2010, 22:07
I changed the below setting in my RNS510, it was set to linear, and it made a big difference, there were no Golf options !!
So I'm now a Seat Leon.

mike.: Now that's a good upgrade. :grin:
What's the difference in sound quality. Have you tried it with classical music?
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: p3asa on 21 July 2010, 23:32
According to http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=152441.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=152441.0) its meant to be linear.  Has it made a big improvement?
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: mike. on 22 July 2010, 08:27
I would just ignore me.. :laugh:

It seemed to make a difference last night, placebo effect, but going to work this morning I had no sound  :rolleyes:

I didn't reset the RNS510 between changes so looks like Linear is the correct mode..
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: am1w on 22 July 2010, 10:05
I would just ignore me.. :laugh:
It seemed to make a difference last night, placebo effect, but going to work this morning I had no sound  :rolleyes:
I didn't reset the RNS510 between changes so looks like Linear is the correct mode..

I just wondered if it said SEAT when it started up :grin:
Title: Re: Sound quality: RCD310 vs RNS510
Post by: avalon on 22 July 2010, 12:27
I had a loan entry level Golf for a couple of months [don't know the model of audio system] but aesthics aside, my RCD510 WITH Dynaudio just sounds the same to me.

I'm getting old perhaps ....



Ava