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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: iwilkins on 29 June 2010, 19:31
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Hi All
I'm after a little advice. Being new back into my own car having had a company one for the last 10 years or so i've opted for a Golf. Bagged myself a nice Ed30 in Tornado red but i'm having a few issue's.
Firstly, I've got terrible tyre noise, so i've ordered two new tyre's and i'm off to have a 4 wheel allignment done to hopefully sort that. All 4 tyre's are very unevenly worn and are all different brands anyway so i'm getting them changed
Secondly, I've having issue's with poor starting and lumpy idle (sounds just like a flicker when at idle). I've had it into the stealers hoping they would at least replace the PCV valve but under warranty but it didn't show any error codes on the VAGCOM so they couldn't do anything :cry: Every morning when i start her up she seems to struggle a little revs drop to 400-500 then jump to 1100 i'm presuming the auto choke kicks in (assumin these still exsist :P).
Thirdly, Just today i started to get an odd rattling/squeking noise from the engine bay, It's very quiet so could be there in whilst in motion but it's mainly noticable when stationary and holding her on the brake (DSG gearbox).
Aside for the little niggle's above she seems to run great. Car was bought from one Stealers and they seem to have done a poor job of checking the car before they handed it to me (coupled with me not checking properly in the excitment of a new Ed30).
Question is this... how many if any of these things would you get it back to the origional dealship for and what if any advice would you give for the second point as that's bugging me the most and is most embarrasing when showing off the new car to mates :P.
Any help/advice appreciated
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1stly, superb choice in car :wink:
Is there anyway you could post a clip of the sound its making on idle.
It does sound like possibly a blown PCV as they can fail and wont show up on vcds.
The squeekie/squeeling noise, i had the same, but it was from cold especially, and was the cambelt tensioner which is a known common problem on this and other Mk5 forums. Dealers are not quick to spot this and say its something else.
A sound clip would be handy, and we should be able to assit you better fella :smiley:
Oh and if you have Dunlops fitted, they are AWFULL and make it sound as if you have worn wheel bearings. Fit Vreddestein sessanta Ultrac's for best vfm.
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Thanks for the reply Steve
I'll get a clip of the tickover as soon as possible i think my phone will record one :P. It's certainly not terrible by any means but i really did expect it to run sweeter than it seems to be.
The Tech at my local stealers actually seems to have gone to a degree of effort to try help me out to be honest. He claims to have checked for DSG updates/ECU Updates and any TPI's that we're relevant to my car, but nothing showed up :-(. On the up side they had the car for some time and gave it me back without charge and even gave it a wash and vac :-)
Sadly yes i do have 1 Dunlop and it's where most of the noice is coming from. I've got two nice new Vredestein ULTRAC SESSANTA's on the way should be here tomorrow all being well only 91 quid too :P, Cheaper than my old Mondeo by 50 quid ! I'll be whacking those on and replacing the other two when I've burnt the tread from the current rears :P
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1stly, superb choice in car :wink:
Is there anyway you could post a clip of the sound its making on idle.
It does sound like possibly a blown PCV as they can fail and wont show up on vcds.
The squeekie/squeeling noise, i had the same, but it was from cold especially, and was the cambelt tensioner which is a known common problem on this and other Mk5 forums. Dealers are not quick to spot this and say its something else.
A sound clip would be handy, and we should be able to assit you better fella :smiley:
Oh and if you have Dunlops fitted, they are AWFULL and make it sound as if you have worn wheel bearings. Fit Vreddestein sessanta Ultrac's for best vfm.
You still have the Vreddsteins fitted to you car steve?
My F1s are getting a little noisy too, but it depends on what surface your driving on. Some times you can hear it, other times you can't.
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After extensive reading :P on both this forum and others it appears the road noise is down to tyre geometery and the setup of the car in the first place.
Toe and camber are setup on the GTi to assist with handling at speed, leaving you with more rubber on the road in the corners. This leads to scrubbing on the inside edges on some cars, some more than others. On mine at the moment i have 3 tyre's with 1mm less rubber on the inside edge.
I'm replacing all 2 tyre's to start with and having a 4 wheel alignment done to correct the over zelous camber/toe issue and changing for rubber with Asymetric design (which apprently is more tollerant).
PS. Where the hell can i upload a sound file so you can listen to it :P
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1stly, superb choice in car :wink:
Is there anyway you could post a clip of the sound its making on idle.
It does sound like possibly a blown PCV as they can fail and wont show up on vcds.
The squeekie/squeeling noise, i had the same, but it was from cold especially, and was the cambelt tensioner which is a known common problem on this and other Mk5 forums. Dealers are not quick to spot this and say its something else.
A sound clip would be handy, and we should be able to assit you better fella :smiley:
Oh and if you have Dunlops fitted, they are AWFULL and make it sound as if you have worn wheel bearings. Fit Vreddestein sessanta Ultrac's for best vfm.
You still have the Vreddsteins fitted to you car steve?
My F1s are getting a little noisy too, but it depends on what surface your driving on. Some times you can hear it, other times you can't.
Just replaced my front tyres again.10 000 on the old set on a stage 2 car. Very impressed with them and no hesitation to re-use the same brand.
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Thanks for that Steve. :smiley:
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Soundbite added
Went out and lifted the hood to get a better idea of where the noise was coming from. You can't even hear the idle now for the racket coming from the aux/cam belt.
Is this what yours sounded like ?? If so is the tensioner something they can just tighten up or does it need replacing ?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8602629/Memo.m4a
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8602629/Memo2.m4a
Sorry volume jumps a bit i paused and moved closer :D
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Cambelt tensioner is Knackerd :smiley:
Same noise as mine did.
Requires the cambelt removing and replacing along with its tensioner roller to cure.
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That's basically the 40k or 4 year service advisory if i'm not mistaken.
It's worth having them do the water pump at the same time i guess then ?
And thanks for the nod in the right direction, it's booked in the stealers under warranty/I've just bloody bought this fix it now :P
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Little update
It's been back to the purchasing garage and after some buggering about with the Boss man at that franchise they've done some work.
PCV valve has finally been replaced, not sure it's fixed the problem yet as i've not picked it back up.
Cam tensioner not replaced and they claim it was a clutch pipe or some such crap..... cars DSG so not convinced there. I'll see if noise is really gone when i go back. Is there anything they can do to temporaily 'fix' the cam belt noise ? and fob me off ?
Ah well I'll get her back and fix her myself i guess....
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Cold start will be the test.
They wont be able to cover it up at all.
Im sorry to hear this ones gonna rumble on, shame cus its such a good car generally.
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Sorry to hi-jack this thread!
iwilkins was good enough to post on a thread I have on uk-mkivs.net as I have more or less the exact same cold start problem on my recently acquired Edition 30 with the odd judder on idel as well.
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/t/369512.aspx
I have had the car into VW and the only thing they found wrong was a problem with fuel adaptation values being out of parameter, they adjusted (or reset possibly) this but it made no difference to my cold start problem. I can't hear any noticable chirp/noise from the CAM belt area but I did initially think when I first felt the judder that it felt like my timing was out. I've now seen that it's quite a common problem on the Edition 30's that the CAM belt tensioner has needed replacing. My car is an 07 plate with only 21K on the clock.
Could my problem also be the CAM tensioner starting to fail? I know the high pressure fuel pump is powered of the CAM so it would make sense to me that if the timing was out that possibly fuel pressure may not be as it should when the engine catches on a cold start
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Hi again ..
I've just got mine back and tried a cold start this morning. Started very well actually, much improved over how it was prior to going into the garage. However i still have the silly noises from the engine bay..... now i can only hear it from inside though and not when i lift the bonnet. Suffice to say it's getting on my nerves again. Noises like a deisel I know i can expect but squeaks shouldn't be present !
Anyway, they did replace the CAM belt and tensioner and the VAG master tech seemed to believe these we're causing my starting problems and causing the noises. He's also replaced a ribbed belt tensioner as this was causing some noise and beginning to wear too. All in all it starts better and the noise that was present is almost gone.
I'm now quite concerned about the rate it's wearing my tyre's though. Fitted Vredseen Ulterac's to the rear after 1k miles they've worn to 6.5/7/7.5 and I had the cambre/toe done when they we're fitted.... it was way out ! IS this sort of mileage ok on these tyre's ?? I'm doing mixed motorway and country road driving but not really pushing it at all...
I'll be honest.... I love the car but i'm starting to get sick of the many 'quite minor' issue's and I'm considering returning it and insisting on a refund ! I don't want to do that tbh but it's been in the garage for 2 weeks of the 12 that i've had it and i was on holiday for one lol.
It's going to have to go back in despite it starting better as the noise is still unsatisfactory. I've also noticed some 'drift' on the motorway on the return leg home and suspect the stearing rack bushes are on their way out as well............
I'd like to say i'm happy with the car but at the moment it's a pain in the backside and a hassle i can do without at the moment ! I'll keep you posted on progress....
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Do you know I felt exactly as you did when I started to get my cold start problems - I really did consider rejecting the car once I'd been to VW and was told they didn't know what was wrong as the computer says no (errors).
A lot of threads I've read say that the squeaks can be the CAM belt rubbing on the CAM cover but I wouldn't expect this now you've had yours changed.
I actually took my car out yesterday to nip to the shop and I had my girlfriend with me, while the car was still fairly cold between 1.5K and 3K revs I could actually hear a squeak, or chirp as it's often described on numerous forums from the cabin. I lifted the bonnet once stationary and listened over the CAM cover but couldn't hear anything.
Could I ask a favour please? Can you give me the number of your dealership and tell me the tech's name who changed your CAM belt? I just want to speak to him and say I have the same cold start problem and the only thing my local stealers found was that the fuel adpation was out and would this fit with a timing problem. If I take it back to my VW stealer and tell them this I just know they're not going to take me seriously. They really didn't have a clue last time and as I said before their answer was "maybe it's just like that" which is BS.
If I were you I'd take the car back and kick up a stink with the service manager - it's really not on to give the car back to you and it still had something wrong.
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Hi again ..
I've just got mine back and tried a cold start this morning. Started very well actually, much improved over how it was prior to going into the garage. However i still have the silly noises from the engine bay..... now i can only hear it from inside though and not when i lift the bonnet. Suffice to say it's getting on my nerves again. Noises like a deisel I know i can expect but squeaks shouldn't be present !
Anyway, they did replace the CAM belt and tensioner and the VAG master tech seemed to believe these we're causing my starting problems and causing the noises. He's also replaced a ribbed belt tensioner as this was causing some noise and beginning to wear too. All in all it starts better and the noise that was present is almost gone.
I'm now quite concerned about the rate it's wearing my tyre's though. Fitted Vredseen Ulterac's to the rear after 1k miles they've worn to 6.5/7/7.5 and I had the cambre/toe done when they we're fitted.... it was way out ! IS this sort of mileage ok on these tyre's ?? I'm doing mixed motorway and country road driving but not really pushing it at all...
I'll be honest.... I love the car but i'm starting to get sick of the many 'quite minor' issue's and I'm considering returning it and insisting on a refund ! I don't want to do that tbh but it's been in the garage for 2 weeks of the 12 that i've had it and i was on holiday for one lol.
It's going to have to go back in despite it starting better as the noise is still unsatisfactory. I've also noticed some 'drift' on the motorway on the return leg home and suspect the stearing rack bushes are on their way out as well............
I'd like to say i'm happy with the car but at the moment it's a pain in the backside and a hassle i can do without at the moment ! I'll keep you posted on progress....
...........the tyre wear sounds way too much to me. I've had my Vreds on for 15 months now & there is wear on the front BUT still loads left & the rears still look brand new. I would have the tracking checked again.
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In fairness they gave me the car back with something wrong but it was a Saturday and the chap working on the car had already ordered an additional belt to cure the noise. He wasn't in on the Saturday to fit the part.... so maybe if he had have been it wouldn't have happened.
ansGTI I'll mail you over the garage I'm using when i get home, on the iphone at the moment :P Starting problem is still there btw, started like a dog again this morning so the CAM Belt didn't fix the starting issue as i thought it may have done. Noise still there as mentioned above just nothing like as bad. Gonna give that the benefit of the doubt tbh and wait ffor the belt to bed in !
The tyre's i'm a bit bemused by to be honest. I had it hunter tracked at almost the same time as i had the tyre's fitted. The front is now wearing nice and even and i've not hit anything. Both rears are wearing unevenly....... Add to this the slight 'wandering' it does and this is above the normal tramline effect and the terrible sport max tyre's they fitted on the front and it's a terrible situation.
I'm already speaking to the Director of the current dealership directly. Very nice chap to be honest and very helpful at the moment. I'm just a little sick of going back and forth. I've left it in limbo at the moment. Going to decide this evening/tomorrow whether to keep the car and persevre with fixing the problems OR return it and look for something else..........
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Oh bugger - I just called my local stealer's today and asked was there any way a timing problem could account for my cold starting problem. The service manager said he'd ask and come back to me but he never called me back.
I'm about to give a VW master technician who does work on the side and I'm told "he's very good" - I got his number from a friend. I'll see if he'll have a look at it in his spare time as now I am cucking flueless about what the problem could be.
I'm sure my problem is getting worse, as it turns over it jumps to 400rpm splutters and then jumps up to 1100rpm and starts toidle normally and the whole process is so noticeable (even to a passenger who knows nothing about cars
I really am sick of my Edition 30 too - have you tried thrashing yours at all? I gave mine a spirited drive on the way home this evening and once I hit 6K revs I backed off as the noise of the engine just didn't sound like a sporty car being thrashed, it sounded so loud in the cabin. The engine was warm, I never hammer a car until it's up to temp and I was "told" the car's last owner was middle aged lady but I'm beginning to wonder if she used to drive the bloody thing with no oil now :sad:
My old MKIV 1.8T used to sound good getting the odd red-lining but I couldn't bare to do this in my Edition 30 (for the 1st time in 3 weeks of ownership).
Have you suggested they monitor the duty cycle of the injectors?
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At this point there's still sadly a few things it could be mine included. Coil pack, spark plugs(though unlikely), fuel pump maybe the MAF sensor. That's just the one's i can come up with i'm sure there's a longer list :P PCV has already been replaced so it's not that....
I've given the car some stick when I've been able to tbh, I tore a few strips of a very nice R32 on the way home... don't think he was playing though :-(. I've certainly no problems from that point of view, very smooth all way to redline with little or no drama .... save for the wheelspin cause of the crappy tyre's :P. It's no noisey as such, sure you can hear the engine and the turbo whine but it's not in a bad way by any means.
What's yours sounding like to make you think it's not 100% ??
Duty Cycle of the injectors is beyond me knowledge :P explain pls someone :D
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It was suggested I monitor the injectors to see if there was any problems as someone suggested I had a leaky injector. The fuel pressure maybe falling when the car is left to stand due to this any may require that extra turn to get back up to where it should be.
injector cleaner has also been suggested but the only thing I feel like chucking in the fuel tank is a match.
Mine just sounds way too (uncomfortably) loud when it hits 6K or thereabouts to me, no nasty noises just a very loud engine noise that maybe about to explode :laugh:
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I did some more digging today about the fact my engine howls when the revs are up (as well as all the other bloody symptoms I have) and came across this thread suggesting (again) that the PCV valve has failed:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-94977.html
Did you say that when VW replaced your PCV that they fitted the 'G' version? From what I've read you need to replace other parts with this for it to work effectively:
http://oooo-a3.blogspot.com/2006/11/crankcase-breather-supplemental.html
Can anyone shed some light on replacing the PCV valve with OEM parts - Do I go for a 'G' or get an 'F' ?
06F 129 101 G (one checkvalve) or F (two checkvalves) New breather ('PCV') valve
06F 103 215 A New pipe with checkvalve
06F 103 483 E Gasket
06F 145 757 F Gasket
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?3573586-PCV-Valve-E-vs.-F
http://oooo-a3.blogspot.com/2008/03/pcv-replacement-and-eurojet-valve.html
I think we should have an F on our car unless we replace the rear breather to include a check valve
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I did read someone they we're all way up to L !! To be honest it's more than likely they've fitted the G to mine and either it should be the F or they've not bothered with the extra pipes required....
I have decided to give the stealers one last crack at fixing my little list of issue's. If it comes back broken this time i'll be discussing with the Director of the branch i bought it from and returning......
My starting has been worse rather than better in the last two days, not sure why that is but the cam kit seems to have made it worse not better :cry:. I now get 350 rpm (was 400rpm) cough splutter then it jumps to 1100. Only time it started 'well' was the first morning after i got it back.
I'm convinced it's nothing major with the engine as it runs sweet as a nut once moving. All these silly modern electrics :P Didn't have this crap in the Mk2 :D
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Funny you should mention that, my cold starts are worse rather than better as well but my car definitely feels down on power as well as the lumpy idle and howl when I hit 6K. I started my car to leave work this evening and I turned the key for it to feel like it was catching but when I released the key it just stalled - you get to know how long to hold the key when starting a car, any longer and the starter motor just runs on.
Anyway this sums things up much better than I ever could - taken from http://www.mkv-gti.net/wiki/index.php?title=PCV_valve_failure
Another fix
"The new OEM "G" version of the PCV valve only has ONE check-valve in it. The one check-valve is a beefier valve to replace the one between the intake and valvecover. The second check-valve (between the turbo and valvecover) was moved to the hose between the turbo and valvecover." [vwvortex]
To do this fix, you will need the following OEM parts:
* 06F 129 101 G New breather ('PCV') valve
* 06F 103 215 A New pipe with checkvalve
* 06F 103 483 E Gasket
Yours may still have trouble starting as you need the rear hose replacing too - maybe worth printing the above out and asking the tech to check.
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Well after all the messing about and 10-11 weeks of pure agony and terrible driving experience it's going back !
Now the question is do i get another ED30 a standard GTI or do a runner and get a Focus ST.
Probably the wrong place to ask that question your all bias :P. Opinions welcome plese guys
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Well I'm going to give my local stealers one more try and fixing my cold start stutter. I started it last night and it was the worst it's been so drove it straight to the stealers. :cry:
Once it turned over it spluttered at 400rpm for a second or two before rising up to 1100rpm. I have a vibration at idle as well felt through the car so I'm wondering if one of my injectors is the problem but I reckon they'll just call me up saying "we can't fault the car".
Asking them to check fuel pressure and then a compression check as well as the other basics - I can't beleive a problem like this is so difficult to pin point - it's either spark/fuel/air or compression.
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Well small update from the stealers - VW technical have been in touch and want some measuring block data, namely block 032 I believe.
They think they can pinpoint an injector problem by measuring this block - can anyone explain to me if this is true please?
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Starting mine is getting worse and worse to be honest now mate.
Started it this morning and it was 300 rpm dropped to 200 !! then skipped to 350, 300 then started and spiked up to 1100 where it should be.
Deffo something wrong and i'm glad i'm not going to have to deal with it for much longer tbh.
I do hope you get yours sorted asap and with any luck the compression test will reveal some results.
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Well after all the messing about and 10-11 weeks of pure agony and terrible driving experience it's going back !
Now the question is do i get another ED30 a standard GTI or do a runner and get a Focus ST.
Probably the wrong place to ask that question your all bias :P. Opinions welcome plese guys
Here comes an opinion.
Focus ST - Great car, i always wind down the window when one drives past to listen to the gorgeous noise they make! I've heard they're pretty thirsty and you can't get the drivers seat as low as some might want it, but i've never sat in one so i couldn't confirm if this is true or not. Colour choice is critical, in white, blue or that daft orange colour i think they're a bit chavvy, but in darker colours like black or grey they look really smart, but are they a little bit of a chav's car??
Golf GTI - Much more classy and sophisticated, and they seem (from my limited ownership experience of a 5 year old, 60k car) to do everything well. Comfortable but will go like a stabbed rat on a b-road, and i get an average of 31.5mpg from mine. Personally, i think the golf is a better all rounder and the one i would pick out of the two.
Wildcard option would be a Megane 230 F1? Supposed to be better to drive than all of them although i've never driven one so i couldn't tell. They rave about them in EVO magazine, what i would class to be the fountain of all knowledge!
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Thanks Musicman.
I Agree the Focus is a little on the Chavy side and I'd be going for the Black or Grey colours anyway, wouldn't be seen dead in an Orange one that's for sure !
I might check out the megane actually i'd not thought of it tbh. The rear end is a bit of a marmite thing but i kinda like it. Problem is missus hates it, but she's not driving it :P
If all else fails i may just ask the dealer to find me another ED30 that's not broken. I do like the car just cba with the hassle !! Maybe a manual with few miles to bring the cost down a bit..
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Mine is manual - intrested? I'll do you a good deal lol.
To be honest I'd hope the compression check (if one is required) comes back OK as it may point to a failed head gasket or a piston ring. At the moment VW technical want data from measuring block 32, and possibly a few others.
I really hope they find the problem and my 'warranty' covers it as at the moment, without a repair-recommendation I'm liable for diagnostic costs which is a fecking joke.
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Well the garage have checked measuring blocks 032 and everything looks fine so they want to do a compression check next.
I'm gutted - I don't know what to do if that turns up a problem
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Mine's on it's way back Saturday. Apparently I'm too pedantic and fussy wanting a car that starts and doesn't scrub tyre.… or make crappy noise's.
Still I've lined up a few other and added a couple of diesels to my options list.
With any luck this time next week I'll be driving another new golf of some description
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Sorry to hear that.
Well the best of luck with what ever you choose next
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Compression is OK.
VW technical have now suggested they replace the injectors - they have contacted the warranty company to get authorisation for the work. the warranty company have said they are sending their own engineer out to the garage to inspect the car.
I've just got of the blower with trading stadards just encase the warranty company turn round and refuse to pay for the work. I will be drafting a letter to the garage I got the car from to get this sorted if the warranty people turn around and tell me to get stuffed
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Ah so a dodgey injector is looking like the problem then.
I'm looking for another gti or ed30 at the moment but can't find a nice one.
I've started looking at diesel GT's now as well some of the GT sport seem ok but I think I'd miss the poke of the gti if I het one…
Hope you get yours resolved mate, let us know how you get on
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Well the engineer came to the garage where the car is on Thursday and the technicians demonstrated the problem to him. He didn't bother to submit his report to CAR PLAN (warranty people) until this morning and they called me to say he's rejected the claim. He has basically said the problem is not worthy of a 'fix' and that "I must have purchased the car with the problem". They hadn't got all the facts straight for starter, there's dodgy idle and the car does not perform as I think it should.
I called the Alfa Romeo dealership where I got the car from and the sales rep I purchased the car through isn't in until Monday now - I spoke to someone else and explained I wanted this sorting in one way or another only to be told no one of authority to make decisions about my problem was available until Monday so I may as well call my sales rep then.
When I purchased the car I was told the 3 month warranty was pretty bullet proof - what a bloody joke!
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I would be quoting trading standards to them on monday mate :wink:.Worked wonders for me once.
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Yeah I've already spoken to them, I knew as soon as an engineer was going to be sent that my chances of the claim going through would be slim. The engineer turned up Thursday afternoon and only submitted his report this morning or late last night - they called me to say the engineer has stated the problem is not "worthy of a repair" & that "I must have purchased the car with the fault"which is NOT true. It developed the fault after 5 or 6 days of ownership.
I really don't want to have to return this car as it's everything I wanted, but I just don't know what else to do. I doubt the dealership I got if from will be interested in funding repairs, plus as the 'recommended repair' isn't authorised there's still a bill at the garage that has the car for diagnostics.
I'm so down about this it's untrue.....
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Mine's gone back now mate, full refund from the dealership so i'm now on the lookout for another :-)
Hope you get yours sorted and i hope i dont' buy another clanger :D
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:sad: I don't think I'm going to be as lucky to be honest
I spoke to the dealer I got it from and he questioned why VW can't have the injectors tested, and also how confident they are that it's an injector problem. Basically the dealer I got it from can argue with the warranty company that the car did not have the fault when the car was purchased, and that they have a duty of care to fix it under the terms and conditions of the warranty (even though they say as the fault only occurs on cold starts then I should live with it whic is such BS).
I'm also told that as I authorised investigations I have to pay the bill - so how the heck am I supposed to find out whats wrong with the car so I can make a claim of the warranty - should I shake my magic ball so it tells me so I can then call the warranty people and get authorisation.
Do all Edition 30 owners get hesitiation/stutter on start up? The engine catches and hunts/splutters at 400rpm before jumping to 1200rpm and idling normally? The VW garage have told the dealer I got the car from that "most people would just live with it".
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^^ Have you replaced the PCV valve??
£35 fix, and will cure most idle issues.
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Checked it - I can't blow in the opposit direction so I'm pretty sure it's OK.
The garage also reported they'd tested it the 1st time they had it but me being me, I didn't take their word for it so checked it myself the other week
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if i were you. I'd replace the PCV.
I had an idling problem as you describe- was a right horrible bastard to be sat in.
Had the PCV and the Diverter Valve (revision D) replaced today and all is well :smiley:
Also. Has it been checked for boost leaks? Split pipes, hoses coming off etc...?
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No actually it has not - would this also cause me a problem on cold start up?
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VW removed the injectors so they could be sent off for testing. They said they had quite a lot of carbon build up on them - the car has only 21K on the clock so has been doing short journeys, would this and poor petrol have caused this?
The injectors were tested by a local company, but they could only test up to 6 BAR (I think) but they said that they thought there was a problem with all of the injectors. They were returned to VW and they have sent them off to another company now - they should have arrived on Thursday so they expect to hear tomorrow.
I have handed this over to the supplying dealer to sort out so they have been liaising with the warranty company and the VW dealership that has the car in Hereford. The supplying dealer told the warranty company that the car was not supplied with the fault and that the repair should be upheld but as I understand it they said that they would only pay for the repair as long as it fixed the problem. VW wouldn't put their money where there mouth was so I think the warranty company told them to get the injectors tested.
Anyway I know injector cleaner is readily available but I've never had to consider using it before and as said the words to me where "the injectors were removed and we found quite a lot of carbon build up on all the injectors"
Can anyone explain why my injectors would be like this? :smiley:
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Hi Mate,
Sorry to see you've still not got this sorted. In the meantime I've been off and bought me another Ed30 :D. I can 100%, hand on heart, now say the new one compared to old is in another league. I honestly do feel now something was very wrong with the old car.
That said the new one has done less miles and is much better spec'd :D so maybe i'm being bias :/. Hope you get your sorted soon !
Carbon deposits on the injectors could be a all sorts of thing including poor timing or fuelling AFAIK anyway. I guess using standard RON 95 ain't going to help any either. It could also be a dodgy PCV valve or the injectors could indeed be shot. Sounds like your getting somewhere anyway, stick to your guns and make one of the parties fix it :-)
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Injector test results are in - they cleaned one injector and found a 10% increase in dispersal at various RPMs. They found no leaky injectors. They also said they had not seen carbon build up like this on other GTI injectors they had tested in the past and that this may point to a combustion problem. I've had a compressions check (which was fine) so what could this mean? Or could it just be a combination of poor fuel and short journeys?
Anyway the workshop manager and I spoke for some time and he recommends getting them cleaned professionally (£30 each) and then re-fitting and running some cleaner through the car. I explained to the garage that I didn't think it was fair that I would have to pay for this, plus the work to date I'm guessing.
I now have a case (manager) with VW Customer Services after I wrote to them complaining about the quality of this car - it has FVWSH, serviced on time and is only 3 year 4 months old with 21K on the clock. Anyway they said they'd speak to the VW garage and give me an answer tomorrow after I updated my case with the info above.
Failing that I guess I try my luck with Car Plan again (who the 3 month warranty is with that I got when I bought the car), but given they turned down VW's original recommendation to replace all the injectors I'm guessing they'll just reject this claim too.
This Thursday my car will have been in the garage 4 weeks :sad:
I can't find much information about what would cause carbon deposits other than the additives in fuel but guessing combustion/timing problems as stated previously
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For anyone following this...
OK - well some good news.
My injectors are being cleaned, I have received a gesture of goodwill from VW of 70% costs - I accepted this meaning all work to date will cost me £75. Considering everything that's been done I don't think I can grumble and at least I don't have to try and argue it with the warranty company.
I'm going to try and get the supplying dealer to cover the remaining costs, but I'm not holding my breath.
The injectors will be cleaned and tested and sent back to the VW garage and re-fitted. They are also going to inspect the intake valves for carbon deposits after I spoke to them about it. They want me to run a fuel cleaner once I get the car back.
They gave me some more info from the report - at 400 RPM they did a test pre/post clean and they saw an increase of 14%, at a higher RPM (can't recall value) they saw a 10% increase.
Hopefully they'll get the injectors back on Friday/Saturday and they can be re-fitted to the car.
They're also going to check the level of carbon build up on the intake valves
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Been following this thread closely just had my DV replaced and all is well again I have power :laugh:, just out of interest does anyone know the part number and approximate cost of a replacement PCV.
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Been following this thread closely just had my DV replaced and all is well again I have power :laugh:, just out of interest does anyone know the part number and approximate cost of a replacement PCV.
about £30 approx
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Well, 5 weeks 1 day and I have my car back :smiley:
The judder on idle has gone, it picks up smoothly and seems to be a better drive but it's only had 30 miles put on it and I'd imagine the battery has been disconnected for a fair while so the ECU will still be adapting.
When I first started it there was a slight hesitation in picking up revs but it didn't stutter like it used to. The head tech told me this is what he'd seen on a similar Ed30 that they serviced and said he didn't think it was anything to worry about. I'm going to stick some Forte in it and give it a good run. I'm not completely convinced to be honest but I can't argue that it's as bad as it was prior to taking it in. I guess all I can do is run it for a few days and see how I get on.
I'm still annoyed that a car supplied with a warranty has cost me money - VW have agreed to cover 70% of costs but I still have to find the other 30%. I think the supplying dealer should cover this
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I would go for Shell V-Power juice mate & run on that. :cool:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/16099319@N03/5053369573/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16099319@N03/5053369573/)
Well I've been running the car with some Forte fuel cleaner + V-Power but I still have this hesitation/stutter on startup. Is this a characteristic of the Edition 30's as VW are trying to tell me?
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These engines are prone to a noisey clunky start up.
It's not a problem. Everyone i know with one the 'issue', even the guys with s3's (same engine)
I wouldn't worry about it. Just have some fun! :wink:
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hey iv being following this thread since the start as mine does the exact same thing really annoying but one of those little things that could never be found... mine is only a normal gti but still the engines arnt much to different and before everyone starts saying there is loads different i know but its not like night and day... i had mine into vw yesterday morning with engine light on with a P0 code saiying there was a ecu problem turns out that all it needed was a new map for the ecu. this is a update for the engines witch they carry out whilst they service the cars there if its not already had it. i already knew this after speaking to ben at shark performance hes very helpfull and switched on about the tfsi engine. but back to the point since i got it back its being perfect, it starts no problem at all, so if it starts again well tomorrow morning then im 100% sure its fixed as it was doing it all the time. think its was the 24ks update maybe its worth checking as i see youv pretty much had everything else checked... i hope this was helpfull might not have being like ha but one very important thing is this update wipes the ecu completly clear and starts again from fresh so if your ecu has being maped then you can kiss goodbye to that :shocked:
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Thanks for the reply - I was wondering if it maybe a software problem. When did this update come out? I'd imagine there isn't anything similar for the Ed30
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Hey it was perfect again this morning and it was getting to the stage where it was just stalling sometimes. I'm not sure I presume they both must have to have this update it's maybe worth asking as ours sound exactly the same and mine I'm pretty sure is fixed it's bein fine every start.... :smiley:
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When was the last time you had your car into VW before this? They checked my software version around 6 weeks ago
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I'm experiencing the same issue with my normal 200hp GTI.
Very hard engine starts when the weather is cold. It spins for about 3 seconds before starting the engine.
What engine software are you guys running?
Maybe we can figure out if this is indeed a software issue and we all must get a remap.
I am stock (car manufactured in april 2008) and have this sw version:
VCDS Version: Beta 812.4
Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 115 Q
Component and/or Version: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0020
Software Coding: 0403000318070160
Work Shop Code: WSC 00028
Advanced Identification
Serial number: VWX7Z0H23NA8K2
Identification: RB8-658
Revision: 5BH16---
Date: 03.03.08
Manufacturer number: 0311
Test stand number: 1360
Flash Status
Programming Attempts: 0
Successful Attempts: 0
Programming Status: 00000000
Required Conditions: 00000001
Software
A000
A4.9.6
Misc.
Hardware number: 8P0 907 115 B
Car Info
Chassis Number: WVWZZZ1KZ8P******
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That dosnt mean alot to me but the update I had iv being told was a 24ks
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Well it's getting worse what ever it is - I don't want this car anymore so I'm going to speak to trading standards
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16099319@N03/5061478161/
Look how it shakes on start-up - it's an embarrassment.
I have no idea what software is on my ECU I'm afraid - I could do with someone with VAG COM in or around Herefordshire
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Yes!!! That's exactly how mine is acting too.
But I would say that mine is starting a little harder than yours.
Fortunately, I never missed a start. It spins a lot, but it starts.
There must be a solution for this issue!
The bad thing is that our mechanics are too stupid to find it, here in Romania...
If you can post your engine software version, I would appreciate it!
Thank you! :)
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Mine used to be much harder before the injectors were cleaned - I'm going to get my throttle body and intake manifold flapper adaptations done this week so I'll get them to tell me what the software is - I've found two VW specialists I can get to so hopefully they'll one of them will have vagcom
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So... Any news?
Mine feels much better after changing the fuel, but it's still not starting as it was last winter...
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Perhaps a nice new battery would cure all these problems. My BMW had all sorts of faults until I changed the battery.
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Seeming as youve had work done to the cambelt area have you checked or got the mechanics to check the timing?
If it was a tooth out on the cambelt it will cause lumpy idle and embaressing noises!
Also dirty or loose coil pack conections will cause intermittent misfires (which will not show up on VAGCOM) and cause the starting and idle problems you have.
another thing to check is starter motor wiring and conections to ensure they are clean and the wires are not damaged as this will cause a drop in ampage and the starter struggeling to start you engine.
These are just a couple of things that you can check for free before you empty your wallet or get rid of the car.
Cal
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Yea id like to know if any one has got this figured out as mine is still doing it.... one thing i did notice the other day though was i was working under the bonnet and it made a strange noise and then it did it again like every minute or so and i wonder if its fuel leaking back sounded like my car was crying ha it started doing it about 5 mins after turning the engine off …
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I've had this problem of poor cold starts too. To overcome it I turn everything electric off - climate, seats, lights and it seems to do the trick. Once she's fired up everything goes back on. I think It prob is something to do with the battery or something electrical?