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General => The garage => Topic started by: gti265 on 27 June 2010, 19:14
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how come people seem to think more highly of shell vpower fuel than BP ultimate even though ultimate is 102 ron??
and also which is better for a MK5 gti??
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There were two BP ultimates; the widely available 97 octane and the 102 octane which was very, very expensive and only available from a few filling stations.
The 102 octane version has now been discontinued, leaving just the 97 octane version.
Shell V-power is 99 octane, the only other fuel this highly rated is Tesco 99 octane.
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i have never been to a high octane tesco? But always look out for em
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list of Tesco 99 octane outlets:
http://www.greenergy.com/tesco_99_octane/where_to_buy.html
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nice.. cheeper than v power?
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I used that shell V power in my car the other day, (Mk3 1.4) and it seems to drive alot better on it than the BP stuff, was £1.32 tho... not used the tesco but it is cheaper... :smiley:
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*placebo effect?* :grin: :smiley:
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Definatly not, my valver takes forever to settle in the morning with mogodons rolla cola and returns 26-27 mpg and on v power she starts straight up and returns 30 on the dot most of the time.
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Definatly not, my valver takes forever to settle in the morning with mogodons rolla cola and returns 26-27 mpg and on v power she starts straight up and returns 30 on the dot most of the time.
That would be because you run a turbo and its probably been set up to run on Super (which is what the old engines should be on anyway, even my bloody 8v) to avoid knock etc.
The OP can probably run on bog standard fuel if he chooses as the ECU should allow for that on a Mk5. As for which is best, you really need some scientific tests done on the specific car to tell which fuel is "The best"......... Or buy the cheapest one lol.
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I use tesco 99 now and car feels happier on it. More power up at top specially. and decent fuel economy.
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I've been using Sainsburys Super and that gives me good performance and MPG
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I use 4 star (leaded) imported from saudi arabia. if my dealer lets me down i have to resort to hollowed out pencils, lead ground down and left soaking in a vat of Asda unleaded for 48 hours.
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so would you say it the more expensive super pays for itself if extra mpg?
Would like to give mine a try on the good stuff but not sure if its worth paying that extra money.
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Found this on another forum.
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I work with petrol companies, so i'll let you into some lesser known secrets.
Super unleaded is a fine fuel, but only if purchased from reputable dealers. Esso SUPER, like BP are about the best you can buy. Supermarket stuff is just 4 star without the valve additive, which itself is just 95 unleaded that has been octane boosted. AVOID AT ALL COSTS. Supermarket petrol is a very dirty fuel. Any engineer of their pumps will confirm that.
I have seen the results of their filters and you get everything from feathers to god knows what flowing through supermarket fuels. EVEN SAND.
All Super by law has to be 97 ron, but where its stable enough to hold higher octane, stations are able to advertise its octane as being higher sometimes.
Optimax has a variable octane rating, due to its structure its less stable, but leaves the refinery at 101 octiane.
Thats the equivalent to the old 5 star for those old enough to remember it.
By the time you buy it, its closer to around 97.
This is why its octane isnt always stated.
Normal 95 or 97 fuels wont lose octane, whereas optimax does, but used fresh, its the highest octane fuel you can buy.
All supermarket fuels come from either the Matex or Purfleit refineries for the south east. These only take oil from the eastern block. They are most definately NOT the same fuels as ESSO and such like.
They also remix contaminations for other companies then sell the fuel on via supermarkets as well.
On average, each 50 litres brought from a supermarket will have 8% contaminates, and 9 grams of grit.
I have got 2 test tubes sitting on my desk at work of both ESSO and Tesco regular 95 for simple comparisons when arguing these points with supermarket buyers.
There is a bead in both which on the Tesco tube floats in mid suspension due to the grittiness of its petrol.
The ESSO falls straight to the bottom.
These are random samples taken every few weeks, and the results are always the same.
Texaco is a subsidary of ESSO and both use the same petrol.
There are basically 3 companies which supply fuel to the UK. ESSO, BP, AND SHELL.
Each sells to all the other names you find.
JET, FINA, Q8 and a few other smaller outlets all use SHELL.
TEXACO and TOTAL use ESSO,
Supermarkets use Eastern Block fuels, which are primarily designed for the 91 Ron continent market.
These are upgraded in the UK to UK specs by using Butane gas.
Hence to avoid.
BP Ultimate is just its old Super grade cleaned up a bit.
IE. It goes through another filter at the refinery.
Not a bad fuel though, second only to ESSO in quality.
Its Diesel is the best in the world for all you Diesel owners.
OPTICRAP. Need i say more. All grades supplied by Shell.
Might as well fill from your local FINA station and pop a bottle of Halfarts octane super duper booster plus in.
ESSO 95 and 97 = If you want every pennies worth in quality petrol, look no further.
Get it at your local TOTAL, TEXACO or ESSO now :beer:
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Just worked it out, morrisons costs me 20.92 p per mile and shell costs me 20.34p per mile :smiley:
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im still going to use tesco 99 :) although the car does seem to prefer v power.
And hey, tesco fuel means clubcard points, come on people!! :D
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And sand in your tank, dont let it get to red!
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And sand in your tank, dont let it get to red!
never let it get to red, normally think about filling up around the 1/4 tank mark....
... not cause of sand and crap at the bottom of the tank, cause its takes me a 1/4 tank to get round to filling it up :D
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So what would people say is the best super to run in my mk3 8v gti?
By me is a bp, a total, an esso.
What's the general favorite?
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This kinda super, to run in(to) it, thats the best super to run a mk3
(http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/dumper%201.jpg)
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A super dumper to run in(to) it, thats the best super to run a mk3
(http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/dumper%201.jpg)
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......
no seriously :rolleyes:
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And sand in your tank, dont let it get to red!
Definitly Dont let it get to red, I learned that the hard way =[ My fuel pump f**ked up big time, £690 and that was just for the part (reconditioned) ... the car got scrapped =[ I walked away from scrappy with £90 =[
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My Mk2 8v hated supermarket stuff and BP Ultimate, was okay on V-Power, and purred on Total Super.
One of my girlfirends friends did a dissetation on the quality differences between different fuels for her PhD and found a substantial contrast between branded and supermarket fuels, to the point where the extra you pay for a tank of branded stuff is made up for by the improved MPG.
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So is Shell Dirty then ? I use it all the time. Is all the rubbish floating on top then? or is it at the bottom?
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I prefer V-Power. I put in BP Ultimate (or whatever it's called) yesterday and it was £1.35 a litre!! :shocked:
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I use 4 star (leaded) imported from saudi arabia. if my dealer lets me down i have to resort to hollowed out pencils, lead ground down and left soaking in a vat of Asda unleaded for 48 hours.
So you use graphite fuel?
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And sand in your tank, dont let it get to red!
Definitly Dont let it get to red, I learned that the hard way =[ My fuel pump f**ked up big time, £690 and that was just for the part (reconditioned) ... the car got scrapped =[ I walked away from scrappy with £90 =[
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mk3-vw-Golf-GTi-16-valve-Fuel-Pump-/110555182642?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bd9a3632
£690 for a fuel pump?!?!?! :shocked:
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I think my car is slightly happier and less thirsty on v-power but its a 3 or 4 mile drive to my local shell so I fill with BP which is 2 seconds away, only slight different with a mk3 IMO.
Also when i was in Cumbria visiting my GF's family i only say 2 shell garages, and unlimited BPs on the dual carriageways.
Will older cars such as a mk3 adapt to the fuel they are given like a newer ecu will?
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Found this on another forum.
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I work with for esso, so i'll let you into some lesser known secrets.
fixed that post for you
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bp super isn't 102ron, its 97ron, thats why people prefer vpower and tescos super
bp do a 102 ron in a few stations, but i saw it for sale in egham bp at 240p a litre :shocked:
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I use 4 star (leaded) imported from saudi arabia. if my dealer lets me down i have to resort to hollowed out pencils, lead ground down and left soaking in a vat of Asda unleaded for 48 hours.
So you use graphite fuel?
Oh alright, no need to split hairs! :laugh:
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Suprsisingly V-Power is cheaper that Tesco 99 Ron around my way. Which is handy.
119.9p Shell Swansea Bay
Fabian Way, Neath, SA10 6JW
Shell, 4.56 miles away, last updated on 26 July
121.9p Mile End Service Station
Mile End Row, Melyn, Neath, SA11 2ED
Esso, 1.67 miles away, last updated on 29 July
122.9p Tesco Neath Abbey
Neath Abbey Road, Neath Abbey, Neath, SA10 7DF
Tesco, 1.11 miles away, last updated on 1 August
122.9p Tesco Pontadawe
Gwyns Dryft, Pontadawe, Neath, SA8 4PZ
Tesco, 3.68 miles away, last updated on 30 July
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I use 4 star (leaded) imported from saudi arabia. if my dealer lets me down i have to resort to hollowed out pencils, lead ground down and left soaking in a vat of Asda unleaded for 48 hours.
So you use graphite fuel?
Oh alright, no need to split hairs! :laugh:
:laugh:
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So is Shell fuel bad? At the mo I'm using Shell 95RON in my mk2 8v GTI, been thinking about changing to Shell VPower, should I use them or go elsewhere? Also can I just stick the petrol in, or should I flush the engine first?